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New Wolfenstein II Tweet Ad: "There is only one side."

Would be cool if you could unlock this guy as a playable character.

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I really need to finish the first game now.
 
Mohonky said:
I wonder how many peeps are going to skip tgis game because of the anti-right messages?
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Anti right? Wait what? Is "right wing" synonym for being a nazi in usa? What is it I have missed?

There are right, left and "center" politics pretty much everywhere, I see no reason why someone who votes for right wing politics wouldn't buy the game because of this.

There is "far right" term which is used mostly for Nazi type thing, but its not the same as being right wing.
 
SuperBlank said:
Right, but I still don't think disliking nazis a groundbreaking, controversial opinion for the vast, vast majority of people out there. Of course there are outliers and neo-nazis out there, but thankfully they're very much in the minority.

And as for the fifth point (and I guess really all the points to some extent)... yeah, that's why I said it was smart and relevant marketing. But I still don't believe finding nazism abhorrent some rare, virtuous belief worthy of exceptional standing. Despite incidents of unfortunate aberration, it's pretty normalized, as it should be.

It's like believing women should be able to vote, or some other cultural change society has come around on for the better. It's fucking obvious to the point I don't think espousing it is still worthy of note, even though there will sadly always be some against it.

But, you know, that's just my opinion. I understand why Bethesda are doing this. They're tapping into the zeitgeist, which clearly is overwhelming anti-nazi. Which is my point. The overwhelming majority of people already hold this opinion. But it makes sense as far as pushing the product. And again, it's upsetting that such statements have relevant a place in the contemporary landscape.


That's what their ideology is and was referred to as. It's a fact, not my opinion. Literally you could find this in a textbook.
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Well, correct me if I'm wrong, here. I'm looking up numbers and my memory's not the best.

62 million people voted for Donald Trump. I'm in Canada, so that's what, around 1.88 times the population of my country? At that time, he already had support of David Duke and the like, and it was noted how he was suspiciously hesitant to denounce him. Not to mention that xenophobia was the basis of his platform. And Trump's Gallop approval rating is still 38% even after referring to white supremacist protesters as having "very fine people" among them.

So while the majority of people would probably agree that Nazis are bad, perhaps more on a worldwide scale, there are still an alarming amount that don't, or at least are complacent with them. Which is why there's more of a reaction seeing hardline stances against them instead of corporates beating around the bush to avoid insulting that part of their potential consumer base, which has been seen in the past.
 
L Thammy said:
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, here. I'm looking up numbers and my memory's not the best.

62 million people voted for Donald Trump. I'm in Canada, so that's what, around 1.88 times the population of my country? At that time, he already had support of David Duke and the like, and it was noted how he was suspiciously hesitant to denounce him. Not to mention that xenophobia was the basis of his platform. And Trump's Gallop approval rating is still 38% even after referring to white supremacist protesters as having "very fine people" among them.

So while the majority of people would probably agree that Nazis are bad, perhaps more on a worldwide scale, there are still an alarming amount that don't, or at least are complacent with them. Which is why there's more of a reaction seeing hardline stances against them instead of corporates beating around the bush to avoid insulting that part of their potential consumer base, which has been seen in the past.
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Unfortunately, you have to also factor in the number of idiots who vote solely based on which party the candidate belongs to and not based on any of their actual beliefs, speeches, promises, running mates, associates, or insane rhetoric... And while that may sound like its still going to be an insignificant number, you'd be amazed how many of them exist in this country; tuning out every aspect of an election other than whose on the left, the right, and whose stealing votes from the other two in the third party slots...
 
GhostTrick said:
Hahaha. It's crazy and funny that in 2017, this is considered controversive to kill nazis in a game and to make ads around it.

You know what's funnier ?
Some people who are calling it controversove might also be people complaining about "political correctness".
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They are 100% the same people.
 
TheCthultist said:
Unfortunately, you have to also factor in the number of idiots who vote solely based on which party the candidate belongs to and not based on any of their actual beliefs, speeches, promises, running mates, associates, or insane rhetoric... And while that may sound like its still going to be an insignificant number, you'd be amazed how many of them exist in this country; tuning out every aspect of an election other than whose on the left, the right, and whose stealing votes from the other two in the third party slots...
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Certainly, there's the loyalty thing. But the point that I'm trying to make is if you're going to dismiss this stuff by saying that "Nazis = bad is obvious", you should consider whether it's obvious to the outside world or just obvious to you. Because we can see a whole bunch of people who either support these folks whether by genuine shared interest, by blind loyalty, or by apathy and inertia.

If the salesman comes to you with "keep out the muslims and the mexicans and grab em by the pussy" and you respond with "yeah sure whatever i'll take it", you're not really innocent or taking a stance against anything.
 
Brock Reiher said:
Well, some big name conservatives in America believe that some Nazis are very fine people.
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The biggest, you might even say...

L Thammy said:
Certainly, there's the loyalty thing. But the point that I'm trying to make is if you're going to dismiss this stuff by saying that "Nazis = bad is obvious", you should consider whether it's obvious to the outside world or just obvious to you. Because we can see a whole bunch of people who either support these folks whether by genuine shared interest, by blind loyalty, or by apathy and inertia.
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And I'm by no means disagreeing with that. It's a very real aspect of our current political climate in the US. The only point I wanted to make there was that those blind-loyalty/apathy numbers are a very real part of the problem as well. They may not be the awful human beings that the out right white supremesist/nazi ones are, but their apathy toward the issues at hand is doing just as much to empower those ass holes as the all out supporters in many cases.
 
L Thammy said:
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, here. I'm looking up numbers and my memory's not the best.

62 million people voted for Donald Trump. I'm in Canada, so that's what, around 1.88 times the population of my country? At that time, he already had support of David Duke and the like, and it was noted how he was suspiciously hesitant to denounce him. Not to mention that xenophobia was the basis of his platform. And Trump's Gallop approval rating is still 38% even after referring to white supremacist protesters as having "very fine people" among them.

So while the majority of people would probably agree that Nazis are bad, perhaps more on a worldwide scale, there are still an alarming amount that don't, or at least are complacent with them. Which is why there's more of a reaction seeing hardline stances against them instead of corporates beating around the bush to avoid insulting that part of their potential consumer base, which has been seen in the past.
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You'd be surprised at what white people in general think in America on a percentage wise basis. All it means is that there are quite a few brainwashed people. In the south in particular
 
Facebook comment from someone who, genuinely, couldn't be less stupid.

"Imagine if nazi Germany came out victorious, i wouldn't have to see any of this crappy bullshit."
 
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I will never understand the mentally of people wanting to be "in between" or finding a "middle ground" with anything regarding Nazi beliefs. There is none. There is absolutely nothing to gain from Nazi beliefs. They're the epitome of the worst things in humanity. It's mind boggling because there is history to learn from this. A significant part of human history everyone is (or should be) familiar with.

And ever since WWII, killing Nazis is an American, nay, an international tradition. To not revel in the joys of doing so, why, what an experience to miss out on.

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They need to go one layer further. Go to the "white pride" rally in Shelbyville and market "No More Nazis" there. Maybe get some pre-orders going.

Such a simple message to market the game, might have to double-dip on PC and Switch.
 
Amazing marketing. Is it necessary to play the first one to get what's going on in this one because this short clip just sold me on the game.
 
Van Bur3n said:
And ever since WWII, killing Nazis is an American, nay, an international tradition. To not revel in the joys of doing so, why, what an experience to miss out on.
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It's not really a tradition if it's something America did for 4 years in the early 40s. Before that time Manifest Destiny helped to inspire their ideas of Lebensraum while Jim Crow did the same for their racial laws, and after that time they helped Nazis to escape and gave them cushy positions in their scientific research and intelligence agencies. Not to mention either installing or supporting god knows how many fascist regimes across the world.

Killing Nazis is good and cool, but this "American tradition" bullshit is wretched if you have any grasp at all of American history.

EDIT: the previous game makes the same point itself https://youtu.be/KV2xrqRRZVE
 
KeRaSh said:
Amazing marketing. Is it necessary to play the first one to get what's going on in this one because this short clip just sold me on the game.
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You can watch the first one on Youtube if you want to catch up fast. It's a great story in its own right.
 
jipewithin said:
Anti right? Wait what? Is "right wing" synonym for being a nazi in usa? What is it I have missed?

There are right, left and "center" politics pretty much everywhere, I see no reason why someone who votes for right wing politics wouldn't buy the game because of this.

There is "far right" term which is used mostly for Nazi type thing, but its not the same as being right wing.
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Edit: brain is dead. Wondering how many alt rights will be triggered by the whole anti nazi sentiment is probably a better way to phrase it.
 
Its SO beautiful seeing Trump supporters saying on Twitter they're not Nazis yet feeling attacked by this ad. Way to show their true colors.
 
Ferr986 said:
Its SO beautiful seeing Trump supporters saying on Twitter they're not Nazis yet feeling attacked by this ad. Way to show their true colors.
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I mean, if you still fucking support trump even at THIS point..your not really going to have a benefit of a doubt

Even i give the people who voted for him some sliver of benefit of a doubt, but after seeing what he does in office after voting, you either have to realize that he's not doing anything for anybody, whether you were desperate for a shake of up of the status quo, a right wing populist or anything
 
Great job, Bethesda. I'm decided to pay full price and not wait for Black Friday sale. I still can't believe there are actually people who are offended by this.
 
I particularly enjoyed how they were all tactful at the start of this controversy, then really leans into it in the marketing now. The perfect rude awakening for the people who needs it.
 
traveler said:
I scrolled as far down the twitter responses as I could and saw plenty of "awaiting butthurt Nazis" esque comments but no actual butthurt Nazis. I don't actually think this campaign is particularly controversial. Between today and the responses to previous ads, I haven't seen much in the way of actual controversy.

As feel good as this campaign may be, I think the biggest problematic demographic facing the American political system isn't the self identified Nazi, but those who don't recognize how current sensibilities align with fascist tendencies and don't self identify as Nazi. The criticism I see more frequently is the far right laughing at/getting angry at the left for labeling Trump and his supporters Nazis. Why would they assume this campaign is targeted at them?
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I found a few. If someone thinks that this ad is threatening to them, well...

Also a few starting some "you're not a nazi for wanting your (white) people to remain the majority" and other generic alt-right talking points.
 
prag16 said:
Is that the case? Is there actually anybody arguing that the marketing (this and the last one from a couple weeks ago) is wrong and/or inappropriate? Are actual skinheads even complaining?



What does this even mean? How is disparaging actual literal Hitler regime Nazis an "anti-right" message in 2017? Ridiculous notion.



Who? Where? It's late and I admittedly haven't read through the entire thread. I can't fathom anybody complaining about these ads as being "offensive to Nazis". Never mind that "modern Nazis" aren't even the same thing as real Nazis as history knows them.
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I haven't gone through this thread, but Reddit and twitter.
 
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