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Next Castlevania won't be done by Mercury Steam
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Relaxed Muscle
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I still think LoS is a failure because it failed being the next big Konami IP and believe it or not shipped dosn't mean shit in the end of the day (XIII-2 shipped a lot and is a failure) and
Are you kidding? LoS was advertised like hell and hyped like hell with the whole "Kojima seal of quality" thing.
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You're joking right?...
Edit: Also we have sold figures for a lot of games, did you miss annual reports or what?
SkylineRKR
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I liked LoS but it was a bit everything but the kitchen sink wasn't it? There was a load of gameplay mechanics thrown in, and I think some of them only appeared once. I would like a somewhat more grounded experience. Some mechanics were nice, others were annoying. Up to the sequel to make things right.
abstract alien
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Why have I never thought of this! Just a Castlevania from them would be incredible. It would be the perfect Iga version.
We have the US "sales figures", nothing more. Also, no, FF is a failure becasue the last game sold 7 million and it "only" got to 3M, you are comparing apples and oranges, it doesn't matter what you believe, believe in the tooth fairy if you want, LoS was a success, believe me konami wouldn't had minded burying Castlevania the same way they did to suikoden and many others if it hadn't turned a profit, and they would had given it to IGA again if it hadn't given them a BIG profit. They are cheeeeap.
They were paid what they deserved, the game was cheaper than the average game YET IT DOESN'T MEAN the developers WERE PAID WITH PEANUTS, you can have decent salaries and good conditions with a cheap budget.
By your logic, CD Project is a hack developer. Good luck with that.
Well, it was MUCH better than SFA. I just mean that they pulled a re-branding and added Castlevania references in the proverbial "last minute".
I enjoyed LoS, I just found the castlevania connections tenuous at best.
This is false and you know it, it's been said so many times before it's tiring.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/09/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-began-as-remake-of-nes-original/
metalslimer
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Platinum games bitches!!1 Would make sense after MGSR too
digita1alchemy
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The last good Castlevania game was The Adventure: ReBirth in 2009, so this is good news.
brandonh83
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MGR is the worst game I've played this year. It had a good combat system and a handful of fun bosses, and that's all the game was worth.
Oh, never mind, actually the story and how bad they fucked up Raiden was such a gargantuan disaster that it was almost unbelievable to watch unfold.
Whether it's true or not, that's how it felt.
metalslimer
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Meh i couldn't give two shits about the story and this is especially true in the Castlevania series. If they could pull off a good metroidvania style in 3d with a great combat system i would die
Samir Sedlar
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I hope so, at least then I'll be sure the story quality remains high.
Maybe I am a bit optimistic, indeed in terms of Contra making a story that is worth it would be pretty much difficult, but I have hopes for MercurySteam, It is not like I expected Castlevania story to be this good.
Maybe cause I want more ?!, Maybe cause as a kid Contra was cool but when I grew up I wanted more ?!, yeah totally insane.
Oh and btw I am not into David Cage games, tried Heavy Rain demo, didn't go well with me, I will give the full game a try one day or another, & instead of me changing hobbies, how about you replay those old games you love so much, cause time moves on you know, but you can always stay in the past if you want to.
WAIT, what ?!, I thought HE was joking.
I'm not
That's interesting. Thanks for the info.
I cant agree more they handled it well and if they want western studios to do it.Keep the one with experience and let them grow i mean MOF addressed some issues of the first and what i have read 2 addresses almost every issue of both
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Jeeze what is going on in here?
WHy is it always called a GOW clone the combat is reminiscent of LOI which came out before GOW and it is linear like the old 2d games it hardly makes it a clone
Oni Link 666
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Well, when LOI came out it was called a DMC clone, but since GOW is more popular now, it's called a GOW clone.
Make it happen, Konami.
It's nice to want things. As we've both agreed, they're too cheap. Furthermore, why would From walk away from their own IP to a contentious one that doesn't know what it wants to be?
GrotesqueBeauty
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Only by badly emulating a medium much older than videogames can videogames truly evolve.
I'll never quite understand the self-cannibalizing impulse of the average gamer. There's always this quest for novelty which seems to unnecessarily entail shitting on what came before- the misguided assumption that progress is just some inevitable march which cannot be denied, and all change is change for the better, you know, as long as it's the flavor of the moment.
I invest myself deeply in various artistic mediums, but I don't think I've ever encountered another where the audience is as eager to throw out the baby with the bathwater as video games. Exactly what's wrong with preserving the core aesthetic of a series while simultaneously introducing new mechanics, scenarios, patterns, etc.? Why is this more considered approach so often regarded as regressive? Does a game always have to aim for the current status quo (i.e.- cinematic ambition) to evolve?
As I see it the problem isn't change, or lack thereof, but the relationship of the change to what already existed. What does the change add to or negate from the experience, and what can be considered an acceptable trade off? I have a big problem with trading off the fundamentally interactive nature of game for at best sophomoric attempts at storytelling. And what in the world makes Contra of all series a contender for anything other than the machismo and bravado necessary to set up a save the world scenario? And if you are so tied of specific game play scenario that has always been the hallmark of a particular series, then why do you have any emotional investment in that series to begin with?
Besides, your analysis of Contra just being shooting things and shooting more things is such a dumb and gross oversimplification it hardly deserves a serious response. The appeal of course is the context in which the shooting occurs. Environment, enemy pattern, thematic progression, balance of abilities... these are the features that define the franchise, and far from hindering it they offer up endless possibilities for different experiences, all without dismantling what already worked. However, of you're going to interpret the nature of Contra as just shooting things and such, then you're going to have to swallow cinematic narrative in games as the ultimate in passivity. On the one hand it begs why bother with an interactive media, and on the other it begs the question of how your taste got so bad, because if a great story is your top priority there's a whole world of artistic endeavor that would better suit you than gaming.
That's not to say there's no room for storytelling in games, but if you can't accept gaming is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to meaningful narrative you're deluded, and doubly so if you think combining Mercury Steam and Contra of all things is somehow going to yield something more unique or compelling than what the traditional Contra experience already offers.
Reputation, maybe, they'll be the heroes of one of the oldest and moest revered series in the medium, not too shabby.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Some guy wants a serious, melodramatic story for Contra
And perhaps a cinematic narrative-focused Mario platformer next
maybe have Patrick Stewart drone on some of the most overwrought purple prose imaginable about the mental state of Mario before each level
GrotesqueBeauty
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I've been jumping on turtles for decades, it's time to finally make me understand the underbelly of mushroom addiction that would prompt such heinous behavior! Are the pressures of subterranean repair work simply too much for the average Italian American plumber? And if not what was it in Mario's socioeconomic background that paved the way for his out of control spiral into psilocin laced fantasies of grandeur? C'mon people, I need more from my games!
I'd actually buy 1000 copies of that game lol
SatelliteOfLove
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Zolbek heard all cries for help.
cartman414
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The only game that felt like a clone was Harmony of Dissonance.
Starting with the Sorrow games, there was less fat in the design, which meant less brutal backtracking, one of SotN's greatest weaknesses. The Sorrow games were the most replayable of the Metroidvanias in the series.
Nor is SotN the greatest of the bunch. Besides, as mentioned, the Sorrow games, for instance, were more streamlined compared to it.
NT's ability to sweet talk Japanese publishers is incomparable.
GhaleonQ
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This topic has worn me out since they were 1st announced to play with the series, so I'll just repeat that Arc System Works would have a lot of fun with it if Iga has been exiled.
But, really, I want to see reinvigorated (or despairing or furious) Iga do another, just to see what it would be like.
But, really, I want to see reinvigorated (or despairing or furious) Iga do another, just to see what it would be like.
Good riddance.
As a huge fan of the Castlevania series, Lords of Shadow just didn't impress me.
I'm not some purist who believes every game should be either Symphony of the Night or a 2D platformer, but the series just wasn't good. It was a mediocre god of war clone with bad platforming and some of the worst writing I've seen in a videogame.
Additionally, I'm not sure what was up with this series and references, but it has some of the worst, heavy-handed ways of doing them
A portal reference tacked on to the end of a note found on a dead knight for no apparent reason
Character walks out onto a balcony and starts reciting the classical dracula speech for no reason outside of bad fanservice before being attacked by a random titan (5:55 onwards if video doesn''t link properly)
I don't care what they do with Castlevania next. Just a fresh start and a bit more hope rather than the corpse being beaten by Mercurysteam further. It doesn't matter if it's 2D or 3D, classic or brand new. Just make it fun and not soulless.
As a huge fan of the Castlevania series, Lords of Shadow just didn't impress me.
I'm not some purist who believes every game should be either Symphony of the Night or a 2D platformer, but the series just wasn't good. It was a mediocre god of war clone with bad platforming and some of the worst writing I've seen in a videogame.
Additionally, I'm not sure what was up with this series and references, but it has some of the worst, heavy-handed ways of doing them
A portal reference tacked on to the end of a note found on a dead knight for no apparent reason
Character walks out onto a balcony and starts reciting the classical dracula speech for no reason outside of bad fanservice before being attacked by a random titan (5:55 onwards if video doesn''t link properly)
I don't care what they do with Castlevania next. Just a fresh start and a bit more hope rather than the corpse being beaten by Mercurysteam further. It doesn't matter if it's 2D or 3D, classic or brand new. Just make it fun and not soulless.
There's no way LoS 2 will sell more than the last one... (and we don't even know the real numbers, but it's a bit less than 1M). The first one was bought by a lot of old fans, because the game was marketed as the comeback of Castlevania (and it was the first game in the series that was marketed in a big way).
Many people ended dissapointed with the game. It simply divided the series, like SOTN did for some people back in the day.
So yeah... 3M sales... lol. It won't happen.
Many people ended dissapointed with the game. It simply divided the series, like SOTN did for some people back in the day.
So yeah... 3M sales... lol. It won't happen.
Glass Rebel
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Ninja Theory on CV?
What a horrible night to have a curse.
What a horrible night to have a curse.
Necromanti
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A Souls-esque dark fantasy Castlevania with a focus on horror would be a dream come true for me.
cm osi
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I wonder where they plan on taking the series next? I was never a fan of Mercury Steam's vision of the game, but the games they made did appeal to a lot of people. I would have been perfectly fine with having Mercury Steam's versions on the console, and 2D-centric games on handhelds/XBLA/PSN.
My dream scenario is HD 2D art for the consoles. I doubt that will happen though.
My dream scenario is HD 2D art for the consoles. I doubt that will happen though.
Samir Sedlar
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well that maybe true, but also there are alot of people who bought it later on in sales or rented it or borrowed it from a friend and loved the game, they were surprised by how awesome LoS.1 is, so they may end up buying LoS.2 day one.
That is a great suggestion, what genre do you have in mind ?!
creationtheory
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Has anyone suggested Tak Fuji?
Anticitizen One
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