NO, when he made his claim the devkits were not shipped, and he only have ONE dev that is leakin' stuff for him, (allegedly)
You know what, whatever, believe what you want.
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You know what, whatever, believe what you want.
Red_Driver85
Member
Because.
Gamernyc78
Banned
No thts just how your interpreting it. There's a difference between Microsoft the company and Xbox the gaming sector of Microsoft the company smfh lol I am not contradicting anything.
You got it buddy. And nah they've been in gaming for several years now their money makers are azure cloud applications and of course Windows and all tht non gaming related stuff. During 360 era investors were asking to get rid of Xbox garming division and Xbox one isn't this great money maker either so I doubt very very much all tht money u think is disposable to them is, they are on a tight lease.
Microsoft’s Satya Nadella Wants Xbox to Conquer Cloud Gaming
Xbox’s biggest boss talks teaming up with Sony, the toxic culture of video games, and his favorite video game right now.
Sure little buddy
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I am telling you right now, it will be at least 40CU like the Pro, for their BC solution.
The Pro was a test bed for this.
They are not going backwards in CU count, especially going from 16nm to 7nm. It makes no logical sense with all we know about their BC solution and patents for it.
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it_wasn't_me
Banned
"No I can't really elaborate or go into more detail but.....yeah, my friend, who has been making games since the Dreamcast Era, and who is developing software for both Next-gen consoles said PS5 has the edge. "
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
Which one is more powerful have always been a big discussion point.
www.resetera.com
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
Ascension looked even better than 3, i wonder if we will get a God of War 6 at the end of Gen 9, it's fun seeing devs push the console to the limit, normally it takes 2 games though.
www.resetera.com
So, like i said, power difference between Scarlet and PS5 has nothing to do with Lockhart R&D.
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Pro has 36 active CUs.
Just to expand on this a bit...
Navi CUs are bigger then GCN ones, and have considerably less issues with higher clocks.
In addition to this, 7nm nodes are expensive and lower number of CUs at higher clocks will result in better yields and cheaper dies for Sony (not to mention straight forward BC).
This is why I think Sony made everything possible to have highest possible clocks at relatively low number of CUs.
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Yeah, like i said ONE friend and date: October"No I can't really elaborate or go into more detail but.....yeah, my friend, who has been making games since the Dreamcast Era, and who is developing software for both Next-gen consoles said PS5 has the edge. "
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
Which one is more powerful have always been a big discussion point.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
Ascension looked even better than 3, i wonder if we will get a God of War 6 at the end of Gen 9, it's fun seeing devs push the console to the limit, normally it takes 2 games though.
I already said, believe what you want lol
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Gamernyc78
Banned
Microsoft’s Satya Nadella Wants Xbox to Conquer Cloud Gaming
Xbox’s biggest boss talks teaming up with Sony, the toxic culture of video games, and his favorite video game right now.fortune.com
Sure little buddy
Right we see your narrative loud and clear lil Timmy
But u right investors Wil let Xbox just be a sink hole of money
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it_wasn't_me
Banned
That means, Scarlet devkits WERE OUT. YOU CLAIMED there is NONE! Cheers!
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ah yes, you are correct. 40 with 36 active. I kept forgetting about that.
So 36 min I can see, but that would make for some massive CU’s with the die shrink. I still feel it will be a hair more.
Yeah, my narrative is i play most of my games on Xbox and PC so? i linked an interview, or you think i faked this web page just to ''fit my narrative'' ?lolRight we see your narrative loud and clear lil Timmy
No they're were not
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Gamernyc78
Banned
Gamernyc78
Banned
And I linked one as well
What's your point? What u linked didnt discount anything I said. I am aware of all those articles.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Yes, they were. So, you're developing games right now and you, JUST you got the Scarlet devkit from Phil Spencer itself. Just in time when Phil Spencer said that Scarlet devkits were shipped! Jeez man, you're awesome.
He's a know it all with a clear fanboy agenda don't even waste your breathe lol
Yeah, i see that. LOL
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No they're were n
Yeah , i am a fan of the way Microsoft are giving me a bunch of games for a few bucks, something wrong? lolHe's a know it all with a clear fanboy agenda don't even waste your breathe lol
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Yes, they were.
I know it bothers you that PS5 is more powerful. I hope it will stay that way. Just to rub it on your nose.
Feb. 5, 2014 thats the date your article isAnd I linked one as well
The aticle i linked you is from couple months ago lol
lol what a little kid you are, sure if iam wrong rub it, i dont care, but if this makes you feel more MAN, you have a problem.
Insane Metal
Member
According to the other forum (REEEEEEEEEEE)
FF2400 = Scarlett
3x3.19
5x3.21.20
10-1.14
5x4.8.5
4x6-1.9.12.4
3x3.19 i s
5x3.21.20 o u t
10-1.14 i n
5x4.8.5 t h e
4x6-1.9.12.4 w i l d
as in.... IT'S FUCKING NOTHING
FF2400 = Scarlett
3x3.19
5x3.21.20
10-1.14
5x4.8.5
4x6-1.9.12.4
3x3.19 i s
5x3.21.20 o u t
10-1.14 i n
5x4.8.5 t h e
4x6-1.9.12.4 w i l d
as in.... IT'S FUCKING NOTHING
Gamernyc78
Banned
I know and? Lol again nothing u linked discounts what I said.
bitbydeath
Member
PS4 Pro has a max wattage of 310 and the fans on the PS5 are giving away that it will be pushing just as much if not more.
Tech Specs
www.playstation.com
MaulerX
Member
Not sure what you're trying to say but if he got all his info from a particular person, then him being dead wrong on Lockhart means that we have to take the rest of his info with a huge grain of salt. That's all.
They could hit 9TF with 36CUs @1.9GHZ so I can see Sony going with that.
It might result in slightly higher wattage, but I wonder if they would rather still go that way and put a bit more money into cooling, just so that they can have cheaper chips and easy BC?
Because 44CU part would not run at 1.8-1.9GHZ, probably 1.6GHZ so TF increase would be small. What also makes a difference is how double CUs with RDNa work.
They work brilliantely with 40CUs, but chips with 44CUs will maybe waste a bit of die space.
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it_wasn't_me
Banned
Look who's talking! Refusing to accept that Scarlet devkits were shipped more than a month ago. LOL
Phil's statement during Eurogamer interview"we just ship" has a little wider meaning. It can mean devkits were shipped maybe week or 2 or month ago, not exactly during interview. LOL
Learn from this, Xbone kid! Larger devs ALWAYS got devkits EARLIER!
Then you cant read, sorry about that.
Again, last time i checked we are close to 2020 and Xbox still strong,not sold, but hey, i guess you stopped in 2014, damn...
TLZ
Banned
I knew it had to do with letters. But I didn't know how to do the maths.According to the other forum (REEEEEEEEEEE)
FF2400 = Scarlett
3x3.19
5x3.21.20
10-1.14
5x4.8.5
4x6-1.9.12.4
3x3.19 i s
5x3.21.20 o u t
10-1.14 i n
5x4.8.5 t h e
4x6-1.9.12.4 w i l d
as in.... IT'S FUCKING NOTHING
I swear I did
No, PS4 Pro has max TDP of around 160W at 4K with more demanding games.PS4 Pro has a max wattage of 310 and the fans on the PS5 are giving away that it will be pushing just as much if not more.
Tech Specs
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Tom Warren ALSO CLAIMED that Lockhart WAS dead. So, Tom Warren was wrong too?
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Microsoft is only launching one next-generation Xbox, not two
Rumors suggested a second console codenamed Lockhart
www.theverge.com
Let's take Tom Warren's info with huuuuge grain of salt, shall we
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And who said Klee dev friend is from a large publisher?
Gamernyc78
Banned
Yeah yeah you right right thy need you to run their business and have tht unlimited sinkhole vibe going on lol
Peace pseudo arm chair analyst the green force is strong within you.. Phil is proud.
Yeah yeah you right right thy need you to run their business and have tht unlimited sinkhole vibe going on lol
Peace pseudo arm chair analyst the green force is strong within you.. Phil is proud.
peace
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Uh....i'm just saying that bigger devs always got devkits earlier. Because you said that Scarlet devkits weren't out yet. Of course Klee won't say who is his friend ( or friends ) with next-gen dev kits. To jeopardize their jobs? LOL That's not how it works, Xbone kid
Insane Metal
Member
I knew what we had was wrong, just not that it was a message. I mean, apparently Scarlett leaks are on the way if it's being sent to third parties and such. Or not... since PS5 already is and we still have no leaks. Good ones at least.I knew it had to do with letters. But I didn't know how to do the maths.
I swear I did
bitbydeath
Member
No, PS4 Pro has max TDP of around 160W at 4K with more demanding games.
You’re table is in reference to those specific titles. My reference was from the official PlayStation website.
Huuuh, i trust more on Verge than 'Kleegamer' lol, sorry.Tom Warren ALSO CLAIMED that Lockhart WAS dead. So, Tom Warren was wrong too?
Microsoft is only launching one next-generation Xbox, not two
Rumors suggested a second console codenamed Lockhart
Let's take Tom Warren's info with huuuuge grain of salt, shall we
TLZ
Banned
Negotiator
Member
LOL,According to the other forum (REEEEEEEEEEE)
FF2400 = Scarlett
3x3.19
5x3.21.20
10-1.14
5x4.8.5
4x6-1.9.12.4
3x3.19 i s
5x3.21.20 o u t
10-1.14 i n
5x4.8.5 t h e
4x6-1.9.12.4 w i l d
as in.... IT'S FUCKING NOTHING
OsirisBlack
is fucking with us!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Won't there be plenty more room for the 40 target with the die shrink?
it_wasn't_me
Banned
In other words : "So i'm gonna believe Tom Warren when he says one thing, but then discard the other things he says that doesn't fit a particular narrative?"
Gotcha, dude!
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44alltheway
Member
ok that's funny
Your reference is and they should fix that.
You can see they have PS4 at max 160W, so why would PS4 Pro with 2x TF on 16nm process have 2x the TDP? Its bogus mistake. PS4 Pro is 140-160W console.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
PS4 Pro has a max wattage of 310 and the fans on the PS5 are giving away that it will be pushing just as much if not more.
Tech Specs
PSU rating (310W) versus power consumption at the wall running games (~155W-175W)
My PC has a 550W PSU but my PC uses well below 100W (no dGPU). I can't claim it uses 550W!
Sony weirdly and confusingly describe the power supply rating as 'power consumption'. Just look at previous PlayStation's like PS3. That had a 380W PSU (or power consumption as Sony say) but the actual usage was ~200W in tests.
Or look at the Xbox One X. More powerful than Pro and on the same 16nm process with more CUs and higher clocks but has a lower 245W PSU.
MaulerX
Member
Tom Warren ALSO CLAIMED that Lockhart WAS dead. So, Tom Warren was wrong too?
Microsoft is only launching one next-generation Xbox, not two
Rumors suggested a second console codenamed Lockhart
Let's take Tom Warren's info with huuuuge grain of salt, shall we
The article you referenced is old and from June. That might have been true then as far as they knew. Klee doubled down and said Lockhart was still dead, just a few days ago after Tom Warren and Brad Sams said it was not. It's clear his sources are not current and up to date. You believe what YOU want to believe though.
You're not convincing anyone since we have an actual timeline of who said what and when they said it. Cheers.
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There will be, problem is they have to deactivate some for yields (because if they didnt, a GPU with 2CUs not working would be thrown away).
Its all about how RDNA WGPs CUs are designed and it looks to me they are designed perfectly for 40CU part (or 20 as 5500 has). Really think 44 would be fairly unorthodox and possibly design problem as it doesnt fit in on die.as nice.
No, again, just read the thread you linked before and you will understand the order of things and why i think Tom is more credible than Kleegamer. Not only that, Warren is a journalist with 20 years on the industry with sources direct from Microsoft no? what Kleegamer is? a forum poster just like you and me, who knows some devs?
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Yeah, but Tom Warren claimed that Lockhart was dead a DAY after Klee said that, not before. Weird, isn't it.
Btw. Brad Sams claimed that Xbone SAD will cost 199$, in the end launch price was 249$. Take Brad Sams statements with huuge grain of salt.
None of that is clear from anything. It is entirely possible that a dev could not be up to date on Lockhart and still know specs of Anacoda for example.
That's the max PSU wattage. Just like launch ps3 had 380w PSU but in reality ps3 consumed under 200w. DF has a video about PS4 pro power consumption. It runs well under 200w during significant load.PS4 Pro has a max wattage of 310 and the fans on the PS5 are giving away that it will be pushing just as much if not more.
Tech Specs
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MaulerX
Member
No he did not. You're making shit up now or you got you're timelines crossed.
The bolded.
Sure, but it sure gives you pause before taking it as gospel doesn't it?
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