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xool
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ok.
So where's the bit where he shares those specs he's seen ? (after he gets those spec sheets)
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No, I don’t know much about that because I don’t concern myself with crazies.Dude, Do you remember after PS4/Xbox One released how Xbox fans (MisterX, Tomdogg, colt...etc) MS execs ( Penello) and publications (Digital Foundry) plus hundreds of astrosurfers who plagued all forums just to spread lies and damage control Xbox One obvious weaknesses vs PS4.
Those people were spreading lies AFTER knowing the specs....now feel free to point out any crazy claims in this 60k posts "speculation " thread or any similar behavior from PS fans. One thing I'm hoping once the specs are fully revealed that Xfans won't resort to "hidden GPUs inside the powerbrick " "its all about the OS" type of justifications.
But I do see plenty of crazy shit like this from people like you in this thread lolIn the end all this talk won't matter and Playstation will once again dominate as usual
JMB88
Neo Member
Yes, but there are also the same fans of Sony and Nintendo. Let's not deny that they don't exist.
Xbox fans suffered a lot of trolling at the beginning of the generation by specifications. Life is a circle, everything comes back and now it's our turn to "suffer" a little.
Mass Shift
Member
Another one I found interesting
At times people would be happy with double digit GCN this was certainly an interesting comment and it tells me that your 2nd point is likely not his reason for "bingo".
He was cought saying GCN v Navi floos many times as well saying Navi has more perf per TF and we shouldnt concentrate on TF.
Looking back I felt that during those moments he sounded a great deal like Richard and the rest of the guys at DF. They were all down playing the actual performance numbers and said both MS and Sony would underscore other performance metrics. That we really wouldn't be impressed with the FLOP figures.
Then somehow we ended up with an actual 12TF Xbox and a speculative 12-13TF PS5.
That right there gives me hope for the PS5. I just wish people would realize that the insiders indeed have been engaging in less facts and more guesswork about these specs.
Gudji
Member
Really ?
At least look at the date.
He has specs for both, his friend is a 3rd party developer.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Nov. 2019
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm OT
Hearing that a game like Playground’s Fable is being designed with the One S in mind would kill my hype. The same goes for Sony. If Horizon 2 isn’t developed with only PS5 in mind, they screwed up.
www.resetera.com
Yea, purpose leak done yearly by Ubisoft. Not next gen game not released in next 2 years.
But even still, taking next gen game footage on your USB, showing it around, letting your friend describe it as detailed as possible and even giving him actual spec sheet? Lol, sure...If anyone cared to get that guy, Klees source, they could have done it ages ago.
Again, a bit too much from guy working nightshifts in Alaskan woods.
Koopatrol
Member
Github leaks were testing BC for PS5. That's pretty clear given the frequencies of the GPU. I'm not sure why people are acting like it's confirmation of anything, when no RT proves that the full context just is not there for us to decipher.
Do people really think Sony would use a 40 CU chip for the PS5? I find it highly unlikely after what they used for the PS4 Pro. What I think is far more likely is that they had some CU disabled for BC tests.
I've seen the argument that Sony needed to keep 40 CU for BC purposes, but that is even more unlikely and not a great argument. This isn't a PS4 Pro "Pro"; this is the next generation of consoles. Sony is going to put much more emphasis on the tech that will power the next generation rather than sacrificing their main technological gains for BC purposes. That's just dumb and would leave them behind an entire generation. In addition, there were rumors that Sony was having difficulty getting BC on the PS5. Why would there be any difficulty if it's 40 CU just like the PS4 Pro? They're having difficulty because they are trying to integrate BC into the next generation, NOT the opposite: they are not trying to integrate a PS4 into the next generation of consoles.
Like I said, they are not going to sacrifice next gen and go with a 40 CU chip JUST to have BC. That's silly and will kill their entire next gen by deliberately being subpar. It doesn't make sense, I guess unless there are some very big problems going on within Sony. Which I doubt.
Do people really think Sony would use a 40 CU chip for the PS5? I find it highly unlikely after what they used for the PS4 Pro. What I think is far more likely is that they had some CU disabled for BC tests.
I've seen the argument that Sony needed to keep 40 CU for BC purposes, but that is even more unlikely and not a great argument. This isn't a PS4 Pro "Pro"; this is the next generation of consoles. Sony is going to put much more emphasis on the tech that will power the next generation rather than sacrificing their main technological gains for BC purposes. That's just dumb and would leave them behind an entire generation. In addition, there were rumors that Sony was having difficulty getting BC on the PS5. Why would there be any difficulty if it's 40 CU just like the PS4 Pro? They're having difficulty because they are trying to integrate BC into the next generation, NOT the opposite: they are not trying to integrate a PS4 into the next generation of consoles.
Like I said, they are not going to sacrifice next gen and go with a 40 CU chip JUST to have BC. That's silly and will kill their entire next gen by deliberately being subpar. It doesn't make sense, I guess unless there are some very big problems going on within Sony. Which I doubt.
Microsoft revealed their spec before any one else.
HawarMiran
Banned
It is not crazy if it is true. You know it, I know it, Microsoft knows it, Sony knows it, the pope knows it, Phil Spencers sidechick knows it. Sony is undefeated, undisputed king of consoles
LED Guy?
Banned
Nope most of the comments were concrete, and keep in mind, he can’t say anything, if Klee was “vague” as you say, then every insider is “vague as fuck to the point you won’t understand what they say” vague.
Incorrect.
Github was regression test containing data for Native, BC1 and BC2 modes.
xool
Member
It feels like he wasn't expecting 12TF, told us not to get excited about numbers.. etc
But 12TF is 10x last gen PS4 - who isn't going to be impressed by that?
GlassAwful
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I dunno man. I'm not the one trudging old posts on another site and making claims. How bout you do your homework better and let us know.
I would actually like to see the timeline of claims in chronological order from every insider not banned. It would probably make more sense than what we've seen in the past pages.
Dude, Do you remember after PS4/Xbox One released how Xbox fans (MisterX, Tomdogg, colt...etc) MS execs ( Penello) and publications (Digital Foundry) plus hundreds of astrosurfers who plagued all forums just to spread lies and damage control Xbox One obvious weaknesses vs PS4.
Those people were spreading lies AFTER knowing the specs....now feel free to point out any crazy claims in this 60k posts "speculation " thread or any similar behavior from PS fans. One thing I'm hoping once the specs are fully revealed that Xfans won't resort to "hidden GPUs inside the powerbrick " "its all about the OS
In the end all this talk won't matter and Playstation will once again dominate as usual
Wut? It was actually the other way around. Just look at the old threads:
TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
So this was in the previous Kinect demo thread, and the conversation shifted completely to a rumor that XBox One was getting a huge GPU clock downgrade. While that seems to still be debated, all insiders do agree that MS is having problems with the yields on eSRAM. Here's a small sample of...
almost 8000 replies on this thread and it was 100% BULLSHIT but even the freaking title says „TRUTH FACT“, so not only truth, but also a fact. Lol
and 100% bullshit. Like yield issues? As if Xbox one is going to have another RROD type of Desaster? Right before launch they spread this bullshit?! From a so-called „insider“.
back then only thing CBOAT Did was spread FUD about Xbox. Like this yield issue crap. Or titanfall being sub 720p or something.
and everything right before the launch of the consoles.
What did he say that you feel was concrete info, without any room for interpretation?
That’s kinda a prerequisite for being an “insider” in the gaming community.
Say shit specific enough to take credit for if it comes true and vague enough to not have to answer for yourself if it doesn’t.
THE:MILKMAN
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Did he confirm the spec info was from his dev source? I didn't see that and his self ban seemed to come directly after him saying he had the spec sheet but was asked not to post it and that he shouldn't have said anything.
ethomaz
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Bingo here in Brasil is agree with something.Kleegamefan - this game of whispers could stop -read this : (yes it's the other place - list of his statements here )
about that 12TF = "Bingo" comment though :
(see the rest of the thread) - seems nobody knows what he meant - he was agreeing (maybe?) - but with what? the math, the TF, something else - nobody knows ..
..what else did he say "bingo" to .. I wonder :
That's right folks - he agree with :
So there's two options here :
Letting you decide..
- He agreed that 12TF RDNA is unrealistic and therefor doesn't know shit
- He says "bingo" to clowns who've got the whole thing wrong.
;tldr that "bingo" comment isn't worth taking seriously.
He was agreeing with 12TFs for Xbox.
it_wasn't_me
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Never said they don't. Dude, you surely missed 2012 here and that gold mine thread about who will lead in next-gen. And Xbox fans surely continued that in 2013 and beyond. MisterXmedia, Timdog etc. surely didn't stopped after fuckin' 7 years
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Gamernyc78
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LED Guy?
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This is when Kleegamefan said both consoles are more feature-rich and more powerful than RX 5700 XT which not ONE guy expected this, and confirmed both are double digits here, back in August, before anyone out there.
And this here is when he said he has the specs sheet for both consoles in DECEMBER OF 2019, TWENTY NINETEEN. 2019.
And this here is when he said he has the specs sheet for both consoles in DECEMBER OF 2019, TWENTY NINETEEN. 2019.
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geordiemp
Member
Sources, where you there, you really are full of it ....
You or other fans saying this as it’s a personal win for yourself is the crazy part.
Never saw someone drinking a Pepsi and said to them “ha ha, coke dominates keep drinking your inferior soft drink”
That’s crazy talk.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
This is when Kleegamefan said both consoles are more feature-rich and double digits here, back in August, before anyone out there.
And this here is when he said he has the specs sheet for both consoles in DECEMBER OF 2019, TWENTY NINETEEN. 2019.
Bravo. Also, just found it, but you were faster. Also, just in case in someone missed :
Nov. 2019
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm OT
Hearing that a game like Playground’s Fable is being designed with the One S in mind would kill my hype. The same goes for Sony. If Horizon 2 isn’t developed with only PS5 in mind, they screwed up.
www.resetera.com
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Aceofspades
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What is So crazy about it?
Infographic: What Is the Best-Selling Game Console of All Time?
This chart shows estimated lifetime unit sales of the best-selling home video game consoles.
www.statista.com
xool
Member
I did - there's nothing there. No specs, nothing. [I was following it at the time]
Don't shoot the messenger.
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So all bunch of nothing? "From what I know..." So, not only 2nd source, but his own doesnt know.This is when Kleegamefan said both consoles are more feature-rich and double digits here, back in August, before anyone out there.
And this here is when he said he has the specs sheet for both consoles in DECEMBER OF 2019, TWENTY NINETEEN. 2019.
Btw nobody has answered me how come his friend gave him next gen project from USB that he took from his workplace, with Klee describing everything in detail, and then in additon to that spec sheet for both consoles? Because he literally gave such a detailed look of a game that it would be breeze to find who took and show him footage.
Chances are, our alaskan guy is lying.
You feeling a sense of accomplishment because of it.What is So crazy about it?
Infographic: What Is the Best-Selling Game Console of All Time?
This chart shows estimated lifetime unit sales of the best-selling home video game consoles.
LED Guy?
Banned
He did say so many of his shit concrete enough, both consoles being more powerful than RX 5700 XT, HW RT and VRS for both, that game that he saw that was soooo impressive as he said, him having the specs sheet, RDNA DOUBLE DIGITS for both consoles? Stop it man.
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HawarMiran
Banned
Uhm it is not a personal win for me. It is a win for Sony and someone needs to get you delusional Xbox fans back to reality. Are you one of those who believe in 9TF Playstation? I don't keep track who of you believes what.You or other fans saying this as it’s a personal win for yourself is the crazy part.
Never saw someone drinking a Pepsi and said to them “ha ha, coke dominates keep drinking your inferior soft drink”
That’s crazy talk.
Here take some truth medication
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Gudji
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He didn't say that. He said: "the games will be more impressive than the numbers".
To be fair by the time these consoles are out 12 TF won't look that hot.
DaGwaphics
Member
You do realize that MS has put the 12TF RDNA 2 number on paper right? This isn't figurative, it's 12TF. Real-world performance is likely much higher than 2x XboneX, especially allowing for VRS. Maybe the PS5 target is 13TF or more, we don't know, what we do know is the 12TF number for XSX. This would be a minimum number, only way this would change would be a last-minute clock change (if the silicone Gods smiled on MS in mass production).
LED Guy?
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OK LMAO!! you’re just trolling at this point, splitting hairs, logical fallacies, straw-manning and everything in the book all for Microsoft and their Xbox consoles
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Aceofspades
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TherapistGaymer
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God I don't get how they are misreading this. Fine dont believe him but damn people really aren't happy until they feel that PS5 isn't close to XSX power. I mean why even be in this forum arguing over it if you are happy about your own RDNA 2.0 12tf machine. So much to be happy for on the MS end. I dont get it. They are calling everyone else crazy and they are in here arguing when they have specs. Jesus what type of mind does that.
ethomaz
Banned
Post the full picture.Literally downloaded entire repo on my PC Jesus its nothing new.
Post that the subsequent tests were all Arden (no Oberon test).
BTW the tests says the chip lack ray-tracing that is know to have in the PS5 chip.
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M-V2
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Mate its not splitting hairs. He literally said he asked his friend and his friend said "from what I know".OK LMAO!! you’re just trolling at this point, splitting hairs, logical fallacies, straw-manning and everything in the book all for Microsoft and their Xbox consoles
Not only is Klee not sure, his friend isnt either, and he is 2nd source. To make things worse, his friend took next gen footage from his own studio, put it on USB, showed Klee and also gave him spec sheet (but still "from what he knows...").
That makes it EXTREMELY unlikely he is telling truth because detailed look into game he gave made it easy to trace his source who took footage on USB. Certainly someone leaking such thing would be fired, add to that spec sheet and huh...he would probably be sued to oblivion and not only fired.
None of this is concrete.
What exactly does “more powerful than rx 5700” mean?
Is he talking about performance, or on paper spec?
How much more powerful? We talking 9.8 GCN tflops or 12 RDNA tflops?
Saying they will be “more powerful than a 5700” is kinda the easiest prediction one can make. The last gen X was 6TF. At least 9.8 seems a given.
Uhm it is not a personal win for me. It is a win for Sony and someone needs to get you delusional Xbox fans back to reality. Are you one of those who believe in 9TF Playstation? I don't keep track who of you believes what.
Here take some truth medication
Like I said, you guys are absolutely fucking nuts
I ain’t mad at you though man, keep your passion. A win for PlayStation is a win for warriors all over the world.
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Nope. No problem.Yes, got any problem?
Just don’t act like you’re not one of the crazies.
HawarMiran
Banned
The projection is real. Mindboggling evenNone of this is concrete.
What exactly does “more powerful than exist 5700” mean?
Is he talking about performance, or on paper spec?
How much more powerful? We talking 9.8 GCN tflops or 12 RDNA tflops?
Saying they will be “more powerful than a 5700” is kinda the easiest prediction one can make. The last gen X was 6TF. At least 9.8 seems a given.
Like I said, you guys are absolutely fucking nuts
I ain’t mad at you though man, keep your passion. A win for PlayStation is a win for warriors all over the world.
Koopatrol
Member
It's possible that "native" refers to enhanced PS5 BC, IMO. Makes sense if they were already testing BC modes and no RT is in the tests. That's just my speculation.
In any case, this Github talk is tiring and it's annoying this forum keeps coming back to this. So that's all I'll say.
LED Guy?
Banned
Yo LMAO!! His friend is a 3rd party developer developing a next-generation game, you honestly do not know what you’re talking about at all, you’re just spewing lies after lies and with every reply you make you get exposed by me, stop embarrassing yourself
What he said is just proven factual but you don’t like it because it favors the PS5
Ill post camera pictures when I am back home just for you. What you are showing is test template of Arden in BC1 Oberon test. Numbers are still exactly same as PS4Pro BC, but text is pulled from Arden data (basically test name RT will have result 216GB/s) which makes 0 sense.Post the full picture.
Post that the subsequent tests were all Arden (no Oberon test).
Again, as in case of PS3 wattage, I will be posting proofs until you can no longer ignore it.
Farrell55
Banned
And when he is right then you are the Liar
People can read my post and then yours (or your twitter feed) and see who is embarassing himself here.Yo LMAO!! His friend is a 3rd party developer developing a next-generation game, you honestly do not know what you’re talking about at all, you’re just spewing lies after lies and with every reply you make you get exposed by me, stop embarrassing yourself
What he said is just proven factual but you don’t like it because it favors the PS5
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