Shio
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Even as a grip, like those bluetooth ipega pads that stretch and attach to mobile phones this would be awesome.On the subject of fakes, I just saw this floating about, and now my heart breaks it’s not real...
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FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Not necessarily, they could use the same hardware, but both have different OS and RT solution. On PC ground, Vulkan shits on DirectX and it's open-source/free. Still, it could be temporary, with Xbox maturing in the final stages. AMD is more into Vulkan anyway so probably needed to work closer with Microsoft to lesser the gap.
Way to be picky. Just look at benchmarks and framerates here, where vulkan produces much lower minimum FPS than direct x12:
Bo_Hazem
Banned
mejin
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Shio
Member
It's the Playstation Series P, helps kids train and work their way up to the main console.
LordOfChaos
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Hot stuff
Fake
Member
Imagine the amount of logic we can extract.
'RDNA 2.0 don't even need a fan'
'Sony is looking for a plane turbine'
'RDNA 2.0 don't make heat'
'Maybe is a custom GCN with RDNA 2.0 features'
Roberts
Member
Didn't it burn down at the end of the series?
M.Night Shyamalan
Member
There was a time in January where Herman Hulst, Shu and others were in the bay area also. I wonder if the Ps5 reveal wont be there and not NYC or LA.
Razzy-
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M.Night Shyamalan
Member
If Starfield will be at PS5 reveal?
saintjules
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Evilms
Banned
Ray tracing possible only on RDNA2 and plus.
This proves that either ps5 or xsx, both will be in rdna2, since both are announced with the hardware ray tracing.
AMD Says Next-Gen Consoles Are on Track to Hit This Holiday
During yesterday's Financial Analyst Day, AMD made it pretty clear that Sony's and Microsoft's next-gen consoles are still on track.
wccftech.com
As you already know if you are a regular reader of our website, AMD will provide custom SoC (system on a chip) for both gaming systems based on their latest Zen 2 and RDNA 2 microarchitectures.
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DJ12
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LED Guy?
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Bo_Hazem
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Fake
Member
As far I know, could means a quiet/silent cooling system, with in the PC market they're quite expensive as well. This is by far the best guess taking into consideration how loud the PS4PRO have being this gen.
Even my base PS4 get loud sometimes playing God of War, Days Gone, Horizon Zero Dawn...
SSfox
Member
I see it as just meaning that PS5 is gonna much smaller in term of volume/design than XSX, even it will end having something close to 12 TF.
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DaGwaphics
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On the subject of fakes, I just saw this floating about, and now my heart breaks it’s not real...
I feel like they'd have to call it Series P, then strip the screen and battery and sell a console as Series S, and then have the X. PSX would be just too funny to pass on.
Amaranty
Member
Or it's in a small form factor or it's overclocked so it needs better cooling or both.
EDIT: 'RDNA2 don't make heat' - Everything that runs on electricity generates heat.
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Fake
Member
Or a quiet one.
Gediminas
Banned
or maybe PS5 more powerful, so it needs better cooling? simple. 13.3tf confirmed
Bo_Hazem
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There will be NO 7nm+, they'll jump straight to 5nm later in the CPU space. That seems the case with the GPU's as well, so there is no such thing as 1.9. I'm pointing at you
Gavin Stevens
Gavin Stevens
Lone Wolf
Member
What PS5 reveal?
Amaranty
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So far only Microsoft has provided cooling solution for a quiet console. My PS4 Pro is loud as my original PS4, and they are both very loud.
Fake
Member
Maybe that's why Sony is looking for a better cooling system?
Amaranty
Member
I truly hope so but given their trend they don't really seem concerned about it.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
There will be NO 7nm+, they'll jump straight to 5nm later in the CPU space. That seems the case with the GPU's as well, so there is no such thing as 1.9. I'm pointing at you
ACHTULLY.
What I said was we don’t know if it’s rdna1 or rdna 2, because the process seems to be 7nm, but there was RT and the like, which contradicted each other. So what I was told was it’s essentially RDNA 1, with everything required bolted on, essentially meaning as close to rdna 2 as you can get without the smaller 7nm+.
What came out was that the consoles are using RDNA2 function on a 7nm process and not a 7nm+ one. So all the healthy vitamins and minerals of RDNA2 7nm+ but on a 7nm process.
Ergo, correct
I never said it was CALLED 1.9, that would be daft. Can be called AMD HotDogs for all I care.
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Fake
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How do you came to that conclusion?
DJ12
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Didn't someone say they are using 7nm+, just they are not referring to it that way anymore?There will be NO 7nm+, they'll jump straight to 5nm later in the CPU space. That seems the case with the GPU's as well, so there is no such thing as 1.9. I'm pointing at you
They said they are using the latest 7nm technology I believe during the Q&A, pretty sure someone posted it here somewhere during the night.
DaGwaphics
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mitchman
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That seems to be more due to poorly applied cooling paste, which can be fixed. Many have fixed it by re-applying paste on the APU.
Farrell55
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Thats only the GPU Part, you forgot the CPU (30-40w) and Memory Setup 30w
CthulhuPL
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Kazekage1981
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any member that insists that PS5 is still 9.2 TFLOPS, and does not have RDNA 2, it just makes me want to fly to the moon and love you more.
Gamernyc78
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Okay, now it makes sense!
Omg this was dope!! It really does make sense.
lepermessiah
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It represents my state of mind following this thread and twitter, also posting from mobile is a hazard.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No, it doesn't work that way. It's 50% more efficient per watt. That doesn't mean it's 50% more powerful overall. I'd expect an overall 20% increase (over RDNA1 GPUs) in power overall when you are comparing it game to game. Or about 50% more powerful game for game when compared to a GCN GPU.
Amaranty
Member
I didn't own PS3 but I've read they are also quite loud, at least the original ones. I played on my friend's original Xbox 360 and I thought it was quite tame compared to my PS4.
Bo_Hazem
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ACHTULLY.
What I said was we don’t know if it’s rdna1 or rdna 2, because the process seems to be 7nm, but there was RT and the like, which contradicted each other. So what I was told was it’s essentially RDNA 1, with everything required bolted on, essentially meaning as close to rdna 2 as you can get without the smaller 7nm+.
What came out was that the consoles are using RDNA2 function on a 7nm process and not a 7nm+ one. So all the healthy vitamins and minerals of RDNA2 7nm+ but on a 7nm process.
Ergo, correct
They could easily move from GCN > RDNA1 then to RDNA2 to keep the development process going and avoid having no launch games or good games within 1-2 years. So that doesn't mean your sources aren't correct. That might even mean we could expect some games were using that "blasphemous" 9.2TF since 2017 and should be ready at launch, or even the 14.2TF we heard back then as well with promises of those gains over previous architectures.
HawarMiran
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That is why Sony is rebuilding it.
Bo_Hazem
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Nickolaidas
Member
Been there, done that.
Kazekage1981
Member
For mobile APU using Vega, they managed to increase vegas performance by 50% too, so does that mean the new mobile vega is rdna 1?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
There will be NO 7nm+, they'll jump straight to 5nm later in the CPU space. That seems the case with the GPU's as well, so there is no such thing as 1.9. I'm pointing at you
To be fair to
Gavin Stevens
, I think he was working off the assumption "full" RDNA2 was 7nm EUV (as many of us were thinking until yesterday) and that the consoles were going to use 7nm instead of EUV. So any RDNA2 features would've been pulled from the roadmap onto custom APUs of 7nm process node. Doing so could effectively consider them RDNA2 even if they weren't EUV.Then AMD sideblinded a lot of us by showing RDNA2 was 7nm all along and they're skipping right to 5nm for RDNA3. 7nm EUV's been left in the dust. So I can't hold that against him for speculating RDNA 1.9, a lot of us were speculating similar since we didn't have a full picture of what RDNA2 actually entailed process node-wise.
EDIT: Never mind, he already answered this himself. Hate it when I jump the gun on replies xD.
Speaking of heat in consoles, next gen should benefit A LOT from this with high TF numbers that seemed impossible to some in a small form factor. This should put the large form factor necessity to rest.
Just about. It does raise some questions about XSX's form factor, then. It's not massive honestly, but it is unusual compared to typical consoles. I think it fits the theory of them giving some headroom to upclock if they feel the need to against PS5.
So there's a chance PS5 will be more traditional in its size (I hope it's stylized like the V-shaped devkit, just a bit more muted in some areas and smaller sized would do).
pawel86ck
So the 13.45TF listing is like its weakest form? Jeezuz. Welp never mind then, I guess the next-gen systems won't quite outdo a 2080TI when it gets serious. BUT, it's still very impressive how much they blow past the normal 2080 and that alone should commended. They basically fall pretty evenly between 2080 Super and 2080TI (non OC'd), from the looks of it.
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ArcaneNLSC
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Not sure this was meant when SONY wants to reclaim the throne next gen
saintjules
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I was hearing somewhere that it was cancelled internally? Was a while back, but maybe not since I see there's a recent article on it.
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