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SSfox
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There is no way Sony can't put PS1 and PS2 BC in PS4, if they don't put it, it means either they don't want to and don't have any plan to do so (maybe they still don't realize how much fans want it), or are already working secretly on it but still not ready, so planning to put it later (which i hope it's the case)
But for PS3 BC is where it get a bit complicated, i think while it's doable, but not as easy, but again... doable.
C'mooooooooon Sony, give us PS123 BC.
They just have to put PS1 games digitally in the store, and problem solved.
But for PS3 BC is where it get a bit complicated, i think while it's doable, but not as easy, but again... doable.
C'mooooooooon Sony, give us PS123 BC.
They just have to put PS1 games digitally in the store, and problem solved.
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MasterCornholio
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If they are going to push BC like this I would expect them to be.
Although in reality I'm only expecting PS4 games to work on the system.
bitbydeath
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The ex-EA dev said mesh shaders were part of DX12 in his latest video but the Geometry engine looked to be Sonys equivalent.
Apollo Helios
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Grubb shuts down another person with exact same response - post more Sheldon gifs. What's up with that?
Ah sorry someone posted a screen grab oh his response here.
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saintjules
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Who was the other? Is it in reference to the Big Bang Theory Character? Hmm. 'Theory'.
Apollo Helios
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saintjules
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McHuj
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GRIEVEZ
Member
I dont know if this applies to console manufactures - considering theres less room for error (your essentially locking down 6-7 years down).
My cat seems to agree, because hes purring while I enter this msg.
Btw im a PS fan... That doesnt mean I want XSX not to sell bad or fail... I actuallly want it to succeed.... just not as well as Playstation
I honestly believe, they (Sony) are better tuned to the wishes of gamers than MS... (although I had a BLAST with Halo1) - I hope both parties get awesome games!
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
I'm getting more confused now lol
TLZ
Banned
I'm all ears
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
yewles1
Member
Then certain PS2 games wouldn't be playable, as a good number of PS2 games were available on blue CD-ROM's.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
That still doesn't make sense, everyone knows the PS4 is capable of playing CD'S but everyone put it down to licence fees for it being disabled
Yet Sony is one of the licence holders for CD along with Phillips
So what's the excuse?
Tiago07
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Geometry Engine is part of the RDNA.
We have the Geometry Processor, so probably MS have it too. I think Sony incorporated more pieces of that in their architecture or made the API to fully utilize this.
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Ps1 and ps2 emulation would be a cakewalk compared to ps3.I didn’t get why Mark didn’t include it either on this slide.
Metroiddarks
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Really man is that a question ?
Is not only if is unstable (which can be also in a bigger chip) in order XSX to get a clock locked under any workload they need underclock its systems so when for example a heavy
workload appears in the queue of the CPU for example an AVX the CPU doesn't need to reduce its clock in order to reduce the peak in consume.
This is traditional approach in the worlds of consoles is not new, has its advantages like constants clock doesn't matter what (if the cooling solution is good enough) but instead
you chip is not using all its potential and even if the system is doing simple things is wasting many energy, for this reason they cannot just increment the clock of one the chips
so easily if they don't control all its SoC as Sony does.
The case of PS5 the only moment when the CPU or GPU will reduce its clocks is when a workload in the CPU/GPU is so heavy than need change its clock in order to be inside
the parameter of energy consume, so its approach is different than the normal follow for the consoles where the termal are rules with lock clocks, yes will exists some situations
where a couple of percent reduction in frequency will be necessary but this allows to Sony to reach so higher frequencies most of times which helps in more things than
only increment the Flops.
Cerny mention an example where if you reduce the clocks by 10% percent because maybe the current workload is so easy to do than is not necessary more than your consume
will be reduce by a 27% percent. So I expect a reduction of only 10% of energy I expect be around 3-3.5% in reduction of clock.
One misconception which we have about the GPU and CPU which is very common see in the PC gaming community is Clock=Use or Clock=Energy consumed, when the reality
is a little more complex, a CPU can be running to 3 GHz doing just simple operation like "8 bit Add" will consume less energy than other doing an AVX operation, you can see that now
in how the CPU in PC reduce its clock in order to not exceed the energy limit set for that chip. The benchmark show a similar consume between 2 chips of the same architure
because both chips are doing the same basics workloads.
So the relationship should be more like this Energy consumed = Clock*Workload and as we know energy consumed is related to heat generated.
But even then those situations where you have running both CPU and GPU to its max clock with heavy workloads for longs periods of time are not common in the videogames,
the videogames are not programs which function is to stress your system, so all this will happens in some specific moments that is why is not recommend for a normal
PC gamer to run stress test in its PCs for long periods of time if they want to have for a long time their components.
Tiago07
Member
Well this is exactly my point, and expresses better than me, thanks. Yes it's funny to use this % of power advantage like every game would have this % of advantage, when we have several benchmarks videos even by biased guys that proof your argument. Sometimes even PS4 Pro outperforms XOX.
Bo_Hazem
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Wraith Phantom
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Hmm.Not going to be surprised. That Grub guy hinted it with the Mel Gibson pic tweet. Bluepoint did tweet some kind of hints. With a poem.Someone did a good attempt to decipher the poem.Plenty of good guess in the comments too.
With all the Konami rumours and so forth. Wouldn't be surprised those games listed are launch games. Well this is going to keep going until August. LOL.. Well I'll stick around until PS5 launches.
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Metroiddarks
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ethomaz
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To be fair a lot of leaks from the past come from Brasil retailers.A turkish retailer
This country will get a flyspeck of consoles this year. I don’t think, we will get „realistic“ leak from them.
If something will leak before the official announcement, it will come from a „important“ market.
It is easier to leak in countries with smaller gaming market.
ethomaz
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That is what I’m talking about... fuck BC give me new games even if reboot of old titles.
HAL-01
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i was under the impression that we don't know if the ps4 drive can read cds, did someone tear it down and find the necessary diode? We know to be able to read cd, dvd and blu ray you need infrared, red and blue diodes respectively. infrared could've been cut to reduce cost, as it could have on PS5
If it can read cds, it might be related to the copy protection system used for PS1 discs. the reader on the ps1 was able to tell a a particular wave pattern in the way the data was burned to the cd, something the PS5's drive probably can't do
DaGwaphics
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I've sold all my old stuff.
I didn't have PS2/3 as part of my regular collection, I did pick up a PS2 slim used and played a few things. But, if I ever stumbled upon anything interesting, it would be great to have an easy way to play.
Bonsaibäumchen
, I'm not familiar with any of those, but I have a lot of old favorites there (more western in style I guess). Even some of the puzzle/rythem games like PaRappa the Rapper or Intelligent Qube would be fun to revisit. Some of my favorites of the time I couldn't take revisiting (the Tomb Raider graphics are just too bad for me).
bitbydeath
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Agreed, maybe it does come down to DVD vs CD that someone mentioned before if this is true.
aclar00
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i think it can definitely be faster, but maybe there will be a requirement for cold startups so not to fry the system? If in rest mode, then maybe wont need it due to mofe power draw from the console? Just me guess....either that or you can skip it by pushing X or change in settings like you said.
Bonsaibäumchen
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Yeah man, i don't understand why they haven't made more games like blaze & blue ( 4 player locsl coop rpg with several different classes different regions/dungeons leveling, items, bossfights and so on) or azure dreams (procedural generated Tower with monsters that can be tamed/hatched, managing/upgrading village simdating ). I really liked these games. Haven't found anything like that for ages. Not in this quality at least. (Well nostalgia might be blinding me though)
Snowdonhoffen
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That back compat thing.... lines up with the PlayStation platforms PSNow supports that means we will be able to download every PSNow game! (tinfoil hat on)
that means we will be able to download every PSNow game! (tinfoil hat on)
Insane Metal
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MGS remake by BP would be fucking awesome. It's one of my favorite games ever.
But this BC stuff is not true, I just don't see it happening.
But this BC stuff is not true, I just don't see it happening.
GRIEVEZ
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Check out Lufia 2, if you are ok with 2d sprites (mb mobile
Everyones talking about MGS and here im. Waiting for a Metal Gear remake - seriously... this game hasnt received a remake/remaster....
Its been over 3 decades since its release and has enough going for it, to make it attractive for all gamers (its in South Africa, it would make sense after mgs5, few people "know" why Gray Fox became a cyborg ninja or his backstory, who was snake when he was a newbie, etc)
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Three Jackdaws
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Guys I wondering if anyone could help me, I've looked everywhere for a good answer but cannot seem to find one. I understand a lot of next-gen specs but something I still find confusing is the GPU bandwidth, PS5 GPU bandwidth is 448 GB/s right? what does that mean though and how is it different from things like the I/O
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Sorry I thought I added youWould also love a ticket on this train. I was a part of the last one that crashed and burned.
Hopeful this one doesn’t succumb to the same fate.
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SlimySnake
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i want MGS remake over Demon Souls. Demon Souls is a niche game. MGS is a blockbuster.
schaft0620
Member
I think a Demon Souls remake would be awful and I have been screaming for MGS from the day BluePoint mentioned their next game. However, it could be a long time before BB2 and Elden Ring so its a big get for fans of the series.
EDIT: Is this accurate? Only 87k played the game? That can't be right.
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ethomaz
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87k players from these that signed (4.4m) the site played the game.I think a Demon Souls remake would be awful and I have been screaming for MGS from the day BluePoint mentioned their next game. However, it could be a long time before BB2 and Elden Ring so its a big get for fans of the series.
EDIT: Is this accurate? Only 87k played the game? That can't be right.
At the home page you have the total number of profiles tracked.
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Is Socom something you've heard?
Thedtrain
Member
Probably not man, it’s a pipe dream
Sinthor
Gold Member
I agree on the Twitter feedback, we've had our fill I think. Have to disagree on the opinion of the thread being so slanted. It is RIGHT NOW as not everyone is posting and there is all this build up to Sony's reveal, sure. But from the time I joined until now I've seen the forums slide back and forth. Sure enough, when there's a bunch of hot MS news this thread and the forum will buzz with MS energy. It's just cyclical man. MAYBE it's technically slanted stronger to one side or the other, but it isn't half as much as you might think if you dropped into the thread today to take that pulse check. My opinion at any rate. That's one of the reasons I've always liked this site. People aren't as sensitive as say...that other site (in general) and you can get good information on Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo. There are fans of each, fans of all and then a few who really don't care too much and are good with everything. But yeah, if someone just joined today and read the last 10 pages or so, you'd definitely think the forum was full of Sony fans and not much else. But it will change and even out. Bank on it.
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