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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
He spreads his own FUD so yeah you can in his case
PaintTinJr
Member
I presume you are correct about them needing to double the number of modules, as I couldn't find a GDDR6 solution for 4GB modules on Samsung's website - so unless it was a bleeding edge new product that isn't available - so it looks like 2GB with two lots of 8 would be the only option as you said.
I agree that 32GB isn't needed-needed, but if they could get 32GB in at this point it would more than double the IO complex effectiveness IMHO.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
It would make quite the headline having 32GB I agree but I don't think they will push the price into PS3 territory. They learnt that lesson the hard way and have avoided the $499/$599 price since.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
I saw this on Twitter today as well.
It's a reasonable prediction that it will happen on the 11th, we discussed this here yesterday as well. I don't think this guy has any inside info, no one does because I don't think Sony have even made a final decision yet.
PaintTinJr
Member
You could be right, but I don't think ram speed is going to make it easier to do the UE5 demo at 60fps, than another 16GBs of RAM would. My thinking being, that unpacking data could occupy memory for an extra frame, meaning if it was needed in the following frame, then it wouldn't need streamed again in real-time, and a processing saving would be achieved by it still being resident in the other 16GB.
Jtibh
Banned
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Guys, to hold me over this week should I get RE3R or Dreams? Both on sale this week
geordiemp
Member
The weakest part of the Ps5 design is RAM bandwidth, so it would help allot, 15 % would help allot.
BadBreathOfTheWild
Banned
It would undo the massive effort put in on the storage speed side of things. 16 GB is a lot of data if it’s all being used mostly immediately and not just caching common assets.
Money would be better spent on faster RAM, not more of it.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
I've been having some thoughts recently. I always used to think that slow loading times and travels and everything related to that was because of the issue of "processing", as in the CPU/GPU used to take to long to render the game hence the long loading times. I actually used to have no idea this had to do with the I/O of the storage, it does make sense that Sony designed a blazing fast SSD on one end and a highly clocked GPU on the other end, the two seem to compliment each other very well. This is why I was doubtful that the UE5 demo could run on any other console including the Series x. Especially that flying sequence, I also think this is what Matt from REE was referring to when he said the PS5's SSD will allow for games to be created which just can't be playable on the other platforms because of their I/O
MasterCornholio
Member
Reminds of the rumors of Sony testing faster ram on the system. I guess cost was a factor.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ive had both for months but i havent played either past the first 60 minutes.
dreams has a hidden campaign called arts dream that i didnt even know about. its pretty cool. wildly imaginative, but again i havent gone back to it so not sure if i can recommend it. my friends said its amazing
re3r feels more of the same so far. i am not liking it as much as i thought i would. but again, i am only an hour in.
i would say pick up both because i have a feeling these games just start slow and pick up like half way through.
PaintTinJr
Member
They did, but had the ps3 not been a year late with bad yields and a last minute RSX GPU inclusion - messing up their unified RAM - I think the risk/reward would have worked out differently.
I think judging by the wider positive reception in the gaming media about the PS5, emanating directly from this thread on neogaf - judging by the amount of attempted derails by dubious accounts that get banned- the PS5 could easily sell at PS3 prices but at the rate of a PS4 (IMHO), so long as the game lineup is strong.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
It makes sense, on the 11th of this month Mark Cerny shall emerge and reveal the PS5 thus dissipating into the Cosmos and becoming our final Overlord.
All hail the Great and Powerfull Cerny!
MasterCornholio
Member
It makes sense, on the 11th of this month Mark Cerny shall emerge and reveal the PS5 thus dissipating into the Cosmos and becoming our final Overlord.
All hail the Great and Powerfull Cerny!
PaintTinJr
Member
I don't understand that from a technical perspective. The heavy lifting of the IO complex is unpacking data as needed. Any redundancy that can be removed yields more than the bandwidth, because it alleviates the IO complex to unpack other assets at higher fidelity, and with space to house them - for say the foreground h/w accelerated RT models then being able to have twice as many, or twice the fidelity. But in relation to UE5 demo, it could even allow for pseudo-animation of those background assets, by essentially transition between different preset configurations - at that fidelity -by having enough RAM to do so.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Xplainin
Banned
I thought it came from a guy on b3d?
Gamernyc78
Banned
It makes sense, on the 11th of this month Mark Cerny shall emerge and reveal the PS5 thus dissipating into the Cosmos and becoming our final Overlord.
All hail the Great and Powerfull Cerny!
Hmmm has he finally reached the phase of ascension ? It all makes sense now
MasterCornholio
Member
Cerny the GOAT! (or Fox).
The most cringiest moment of the movie in my opinion.
PaintTinJr
Member
I'm pretty sure it is balanced in the PS5 for CPU/GPU based on the cache scrubbers in regards of how they are using async compute for lumen and nanite, but for the Tempest engine it did sound like another 20GB/s would be nice. I still think if they had the option for 32GB, they would choose that over 15% ram boost, but only because the more RAM, (assuming tricks are found) the more of the game foreground they can render using nanite/lumen too, which would visually offset the extra 20TF of RT that a RTX 5080ti will have in 5years time
BadBreathOfTheWild
Banned
Read the rest of his badly written replies to see how much he really understands about the process and what his “concerns” are.
Immediately talks about PS5 as being a 9.1TF console that had all the SmartShift and entirely new energy usage paradigm thrown in at the last second because 12TF.
Smells like bollocks to me.
MasterCornholio
Member
Ok so the rumor was originally started by Eastmen on b3d. Then blue said that what he said is true plus he has sources within Microsoft confirming the opposite.
General Next Generation Rumors and Discussions [Post GDC 2020]
Sort of a variable target though. If you are looking for the cream of the crop chip and not getting as many, you're bound to have poorer yields than a lower binned chip. Sony wouldn't be aiming for cream of the crop, this would be crazy expensive because you're literally binning everything...
forum.beyond3d.com
In my opinion neither of the two are reliable sources of information plus it just seems like discord FUD to me. Especially since some suspect that Eastmen is Colteastwoods account on b3d and we know blue is a follower of Mr X.
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Neo Blaster
Member
If blue nugroho is tweeting about it, then the yields are fine.
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Andodalf
Banned
Especially when MS most likely has a significantly larger Die
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Every Hollywood comedy more than 20 years old is cringe! Part of the charm and they get a pass.
Neo Blaster
Member
I don't buy it, a reasonable leak would just have a date, but this guy got an image confirming the event? When he himself admits it's tentative to change due to the US situation(how convenient)?
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I played the RE3 demo and liked it, but no sure if I’m in an RE mood
dreams has always looked cool but the campaign is like 3 hours or something
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah lmao he said the decision isn't final and Sony could just hold the event at the end of the month, clearly he's just trying to cover his ass in case the event isn't on the 11th and people realised he was pulling information out his backside.I don't buy it, a reasonable leak would just have a date, but this guy got an image confirming the event? When he himself admits it's tentative to change due to the US situation(how convenient)?
PaintTinJr
Member
I'm not 100% sure about that second tweet, but I think the word 'combined' is the wrong choice, and should have been 'in parallel', so that it doesn't read like you can zlib compress Bcpack textures - when presumably it means transferring of Bcpack textures and zlib game data in parallel to RAM from SSD - obviously sharing bandwidth.
Pretty nice info, can't wait to get a system that has the best of both worlds down the line.
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Neo Blaster
Member
I know, I just don't buy that image.
TLZ
Banned
Not really. The rumor I was referencing actually came from Bloomberg back in February.
Sony Is Struggling With PlayStation 5 Price Due to Costly Parts
Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.www.bloomberg.com
Nothing wrong with what I posted. Not my fault people get riled up for no reason. Cabin fever?
TLZ
Banned
And then they go crying playing the victim why they get banned. "But it's only speculation".
Speculation my ass.
BurnCoalMeltPole
Member
I'm pretty sure it is balanced in the PS5 for CPU/GPU based on the cache scrubbers in regards of how they are using async compute for lumen and nanite, but for the Tempest engine it did sound like another 20GB/s would be nice. I still think if they had the option for 32GB, they would choose that over 15% ram boost, but only because the more RAM, (assuming tricks are found) the more of the game foreground they can render using nanite/lumen too, which would visually offset the extra 20TF of RT that a RTX 5080ti will have in 5years time
While I do not see RAM being increased beyond 16 GB, a speed increase is possible, though unlikely (increasing costs in an already expensive machine). Also, we do not yet know the details of the L4 cache, which may turn out to be large and stacked, mitigating concerns around bandwidth.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
L4 cache? What/where is that in the APU?
Entroyp
Member
In this guy’s universe everything goes wrong for Sony and everything goes right for MS.... hmmmm that’s suspicious.
Entroyp
Member
What L4 cache?
BurnCoalMeltPole
Member
Oh, I am sorry, I am just assuming that there is one, but I have not seen any explicit reference.
BurnCoalMeltPole
Member
Right, my assumption as I have not seen any explicit reference.
TLZ
Banned
I'm not reading anything about bad yields from that Bloomberg article. Just about scarce parts but that could be attributed to any number of reasons.
From the Bloomberg article: "The company’s biggest headache is ensuring a reliable supply of DRAM and NAND flash memory, with both in high demand as smartphone makers gear up for fifth-generation devices, according to people familiar with Sony’s operations."
Your claim on what Bloomberg said.
"If, as rumours suggest, Sony's chip yields are shit and they need to come in with a higher price than Xbox"
So why are you not making a reference to the actual origins of the rumor?
Edit: Found the source.
General Next Generation Rumors and Discussions [Post GDC 2020]
Sort of a variable target though. If you are looking for the cream of the crop chip and not getting as many, you're bound to have poorer yields than a lower binned chip. Sony wouldn't be aiming for cream of the crop, this would be crazy expensive because you're literally binning everything...
Now I know why you didn't want to use the actual source.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Why call your third console "One", or "SAD"? They just don't make sense.
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PaintTinJr
Member
The thing that has just occurred to me is, that PS5 devkits, if they've followed the normal path of devkits should have twice the RAM(32GB) of a retail unit (16GB)- for the ability to mirror all the data for when they need to debug, but without interfering with the in-flight code IIRC - so the solution to a last minute bump in RAM for a retail unit should already be in place from the devkit design. IIRC wasn't that the situation when the PS4 got a RAM upgrade from 4GB to 8GB? Original PS4 devkits had 8GB, 4GB for game/os and 4GB for debug or am I remembering that wrong?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Personally, going from base PS4 to PS4 Pro (both day one) was massive. It's as much as 360p vs 1080 or 720p vs 4K content.
Noticed the shift in Watch Dogs 2, most of the small text became readable from a distance! I would love more native 4K, but the UE5 has made me confused for a game, as it appeared like a slightly blurry native 4K, which I can live with until PS5 Pro.
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TLZ
Banned
Ahaaaah this is some hilarious shitGirls come & go but my PS4
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lmao. this is so true.Girls come & go but my PS4
MasterCornholio
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