Insane Metal
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Nah, he's just guessingI m watching you with all your confirmations
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Reindeer
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12 tflops inside a console will outperform 2080, that's almost a given. Desktop GPUs often have to brute force their way through games while there's much more optimisation that goes into consoles. Also things like VRS will give performance boost to console GPUs.So above 2080 super and below 2080ti, so using a £600 at least gpu, in a £500 or less console, before you even factor in cpu, SSD, every other cost...
Come on people, let’s not be idiots.we all know they get prices cheaper than we do, but let’s be realistic here
Gediminas
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there far more people who cares. if you don't care, why you are commenting?
it is sony or m$ the same too me. that is wrong comment.
Insane Metal
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I Heard you can hear it from The kitchen, but its still in the making
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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The 1060 had 980 like performance, yet it retailed even at 230$. It is not unheard for mid range next gen cards to match high end last gen cards.So above 2080 super and below 2080ti, so using a £600 at least gpu, in a £500 or less console, before you even factor in cpu, SSD, every other cost...
Come on people, let’s not be idiots.we all know they get prices cheaper than we do, but let’s be realistic here
DJ12
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Look at the guy taking no other factors into account and throwing pc prices at everyone.So above 2080 super and below 2080ti, so using a £600 at least gpu, in a £500 or less console, before you even factor in cpu, SSD, every other cost...
Come on people, let’s not be idiots.we all know they get prices cheaper than we do, but let’s be realistic here
Firstly Nvidia are the only game in town so charge way over the odds.
You only need to look at Intel to see what happens when you aren't the best anymore and your competitor sells better products for less. Didn't Intel's hedt offerings get a cool 1000 dollars knocked off the price almost over night.
Also ms and Sony have already paid for these chips in their r and d budgets. Their only additional cost for these going forwards will be amds royalties and fabrication costs.
I doubt 2080ti's cost much more than 300-400 dollars to actually make and most of these costs are just not relevant to consoles as they are designed around the chips as opposed to being designed as a bespoke device to fit a standard interface like they are on pc.
So yeah plenty more to consider before throwing this pc nonsense in here.
thismeinteil
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Uh oh, XBSX not as powerful as people expect confirmed.
DJ12
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Or more likely know Sony has something cooking but no idea what the hell it is.
And let's be honest crowing about power when we know Sony has at least two things (much faster ssd and better ray tracing) that could make up the deficit is probably not the smartest idea at this time.
Musky_Cheese
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AMD makes a card comparable to the 2080? In actual tested confirmed performance?
Dee Dah Dave
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AMD gonna get crushed as soon as NVidia jumps on 7nm, and so it goes on.
ANIMAL1975
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You already solved the puzzle how Sony could banck that kind of loss, and didn't even notice:
"This is the same company that sells you a cheap plastic controller for fifty bones"
Very good explanation there too, not as straightforward as mine, but very good overall.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
just below the 2070 eh? Interesting.
thelastword
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Notwithstanding that AMD is on 7nm already, with PS5 possibly being on 7nm+ which is about 20% more efficient over that.....Also, AMD worked in getting the Vega architecture much more efficient for their new 4000 APU's, so you can bet they worked even more magic on Navi 2.0...….AMD has said on numerous occasions that Navi 2.0 will be much more efficient over Navi 1.0...…..Higher perf at lower power draw.....Relative to how fast these GPU's will be, Navi 1 is extremely fast with only 40 CU's.....A more efficient and higher IPC Navi 2 with more CU's on PS5 is going to be bananas relative to performance...…...And of course, no need to compare Nvidia cards, they are always more expensive than AMD cards, but Sony has been partners with AMD for a minute, it's an amicable relationship.....The pure volume of PS5 chips will be able to come to terms with the price/perf ratio Sony is going for on PS5....
Gudji
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What? No, read again. It's above the RTX 2080 TI on the same resolution (watch rank number 2, 4 and 5).
But to be honest I don't think this is console related.
Pyramid Song
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The Mad Draklor
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The AMD sample is running at a higher resolution (5.5x) and framerate (1.5x) than the 2070, so it's pushing around 8.25x more pixels than the 2070 for a slightly worse score.
ethomaz
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It shows a possible new AMD Navi card (the big one with more than 40 CUs) running a VR bench better than RTX 2080TI (no other spec shared).
For this thread? Nothing.
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Reindeer
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Moore's Law is Dead estimated that it would cost Microsoft $130 to manufacture one APU, with AMDs cut it shouldn't be more than $200. That leaves you with $300+ for ram, ssd, cooling, motherboard, etc. It's more than reasonable to think this can be done for $500.
ANIMAL1975
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Whe someone that can read that eng sample code asap
sonomamashine
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Either crossfire or big navi.
NeoGiffer
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HeisenbergFX4
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Interesting that Jason Shreier predicts Sony will skip E3 again this year.
https://kotaku.com/our-video-game-predictions-for-2020-1840903755
https://kotaku.com/our-video-game-predictions-for-2020-1840903755
Hawking Radiation
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Please check with the mods before putting out more information.
We've already had one person i know of banned from this thread because he gave false information.
Musky_Cheese
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Cool. But that isn’t exactly what I mean.
Does AMD have a card comparable in either price or supposed performance in the real world. As in if I replaced my 2080 right now with AMD.
Because their gpus tend to have a rep for underachieving in game
Hawking Radiation
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Just my thoughts but Playstation is riding a huge wave of momentum and there will always be interest in the brand even without E3.
At this point they can pretty much do what they want. As long as they look after the fans, they'll be alright.
DJ12
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Or semi custom 36 dual cu Apu.
Please note unseen GPU with a test CPU pretty much confirms this is an APU.
Now which console makers chips get tested on windas and has vr. Hmm I wonder.....
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DJ12
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Think he's just trying to get in early. No way they won't have something around E3 in the area in a year of console release.
Maybe it will only be their own conference and no stand but they will definitely be there.
Mass Shift
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So when Arden and Sparkman were stress tested, full CU and RT were enabled?
Fake
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Are this E3 getting a revamp for be a more 'affordable for all tastes'? If so I can't see why both Sony and Microsoft skip.
People should probably check out Jason's 2019 predictions before they take his 2020 predictions too seriously.
These are just guesses not based on any inside info.
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David Ricardo
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edit: I was wrong, Phil said "we're over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is."
In a world where everybody says the truth, you wouldn't need to double check anything. Regrettably, we are not living in that kind of world. Also, if several insiders have the same specs, it means that they can't be tracked by Microsoft just by looking at the leaked numbers.
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HeisenbergFX4
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sonomamashine
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I would love to, but i have a strong feeling it wont happen.
It says its a 3.9Ghz cpu, kinda like renoir clocks.
Reindeer
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Please don't start this topic again.
Yea, but I think a lot of people would assume that a 'prediction' by Jason Schreier would be influenced by info he has. Just pointing out that it isn't the case here.That's why they are predictions and not reporting
Dee Dah Dave
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SenjutsuSage
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We can already throw out the idea that both sides are not going for smart designs and one is simply going for brute power. The way it sounds like Microsoft has implemented their SSD to assist their GPU, using it like a sort of virtual ram that may be connected pretty close to the GPU itself, is the very essence of smart design and not simply just relying on brute power. And rumors suggest it is Sony that's pushing their GPU to 2GHZ+ (a speed we know to be pretty crazy for a console) whereas Microsoft has gone for a smart wide approach with many more compute units, with a more manageable/reasonable clock speed. Even the emphasis by Microsoft on VRS, yet another focus on being smart rather than just brute forcing it. VRS can save their GPU precious resources that can go back into improving performance.
Even looking at Microsoft's form factor, it's easy to say that's a sign of the kind of brute power they're going for, but then they also managed to make this thing as quiet as Xbox One X. It doesn't appear to me as if brute power and smart design are at odds with each other in the Xbox Series X design.
Even if Microsoft are building themselves a mini PC tower I still see efforts all around the design from what Microsoft has said thus far to keep from having to brute force their way to a result. There are efforts to take pressure off the hardware. I don't think they're taking that they have a lot of power for granted.
HeisenbergFX4
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ethomaz
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Probably... the "Oberon" only shows BC mode tests... I did not see Arden or Sparkman are these BC tests or full tests?
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sonomamashine
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Cmon man stop riding that semi-insider wave, you are better than that.
Who made you that anyway ?
HeisenbergFX4
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Not riding any wave just giving my 2 cents which I will gladly stop if it bothers people that much.
sonomamashine
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My bad i read some comments above that led me into that conclusion, keep it coming
If it's bothering anyone it's just a handful of people. Just ignore them.
My question is, if Series X does have more TFs, why do you think some insiders are saying PS5 has the power edge?
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