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chilichote
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Roronoa Zoro
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Maybe Sony didn't consider a new form factor and the tower design caught them off guard. Now it's too late and they're locked into a weaker and smaller system. Just thinking worst case here
megreotsugua
Banned
Dear Mod,
Tommy Fis
Dear Mod,
How about Tommy Fisher? He's still claiming a lot of stuff but he doesn't want to get vetted. I wouldn't mind if you axe him out even though he's claiming PS5 will be more powerful. I think he's lying that he knows some things.
Dear Tommy Fisher,
If you start saying ReRam is happening then you will be the most genuine leaker in my book. You can lie to my face and I will believe you as long as you say want I want to hear.
Not so sincerely yours,
Megreotsugua
Tommy Fis
Dear Mod,
How about Tommy Fisher? He's still claiming a lot of stuff but he doesn't want to get vetted. I wouldn't mind if you axe him out even though he's claiming PS5 will be more powerful. I think he's lying that he knows some things.
Dear Tommy Fisher,
If you start saying ReRam is happening then you will be the most genuine leaker in my book. You can lie to my face and I will believe you as long as you say want I want to hear.
Not so sincerely yours,
Megreotsugua
VN1X
Banned
DJ12
Member
But, the source would never know, I cannot believe the vetting process includes emailing the person to ask them if they gave information to a forumer using an alias.
Tommy has given specifics numbers that align with what
OsirisBlack
has previously stated and he has also confirmed what
Tommy Fisher
is saying, is also what he's been hearing from his sources too.12 v 13 seems like a lot, being larger than the gap between xbox one and PS4, but this will barely be noticeable, 8% difference, 600000 less pixels (from full 4k) or 5 FPS from 60 just taking 8% from both, not how it works I know, but gives you an idea of how minuscule these differences would be and could very easily result in the weaker console just running closer to choosen framerate and the stronger one having a bit more head room above.
The only way a 12 v 13 margin will matter is in forum warring.
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That’s not how any of this works.
thelastword
Banned
This thread is hilarious......Some posters were fine with the 12TF ceiling for next gen consoles because the rumor was that Series X would be 12TF and of course the lowly PS5 would be 9.2TF.....Now someone says the PS5 is going to be 13TF, it's unbelievable because of heat, 12TF is the limit, they could believe 12TF because it is at the perfect TFLOP rating to dissipate heat, anything more and it would be uncivilized, literally the sahara in a box...…..
So you mean to tell me, a 12TF XBOX, no heat problems, a 13TF PS, this is going to be a volcano.......I mean some of you guys have to start seeing these people for who they are......cooling solutions have improved by leaps and bounds, a hot skylake CPU is easily kept under wraps by a $20 Hyper 212 EVO, some new nucs were just released and are even smaller than consoles with i7 CPU's in a smaller SFF...…. Ryzen is way more efficient than Intel CPU's, I mean way more, a 32 core threadripper is more power efficient than a 10 core Intel desktop chip...…...Next gen we are talking even better efficiencies, why do you think AMD has been working so hard on better efficiencies for Ryzen 4000 and RDNA 2.0, it's all they talk about minus higher IPC's and a more refined architecture to abscond latency...……...
RDNA 1.0 and current Gen 2 Ryzen are already super efficient, Renoir is a beast of a mobile CPU/APU which outdoes the 9700k in many tests at 15-45 watts...New consoles will be based on Ryzen 4000 and RDNA 2.0 which are even more efficient at 7nm+, so how is heat an issue with any of these consoles next gen......It's almost a forgone conclusion that cooling is a high priority for consoles going forward, nobody wants another RROD fiasco, yet these consoles are not going to have an issue with heat on these smaller nodes, besides it's time console people put their money where their mouth is, I want desktop Ryzen in consoles not Renoir, consoles being low power parts should be a thing of the past, these are not cellphones which you change every-year......
Give me that power, I'm willing to pay $599 or more for my PS5......Deck it with what you must.…...People want everything, they want behemoth machines that can produce graphics much more impressive than Godfall, high level raytracing and lighting technology, they want top end CPU's, they want cutting edge graphics with top end Ai and animation and game-changing physics calculations, they want innovative/next gen level design and huge persistent gameworlds…….They want all types of physical ports, software/OS features and want full BC across a single device with 4k enhancements across PS1-PS4 and they'd be the first to come cry on price......Give me all those things, but I'm willing to do my part.....This mentality of $299-399 or bust has to change in console buyers, consoles are not phones and yet we pay more for phones every year, consoles cycle every 7 years, that's a long time. Sony should go broke on specs, because the same people saying these consoles are long in the tooth by year 3 are the same not willing to pay higher prices for more powerful. more futureproof consoles at launch....My vanilla PS4 and PRO are both still in my possession, the world still turns...
So you mean to tell me, a 12TF XBOX, no heat problems, a 13TF PS, this is going to be a volcano.......I mean some of you guys have to start seeing these people for who they are......cooling solutions have improved by leaps and bounds, a hot skylake CPU is easily kept under wraps by a $20 Hyper 212 EVO, some new nucs were just released and are even smaller than consoles with i7 CPU's in a smaller SFF...…. Ryzen is way more efficient than Intel CPU's, I mean way more, a 32 core threadripper is more power efficient than a 10 core Intel desktop chip...…...Next gen we are talking even better efficiencies, why do you think AMD has been working so hard on better efficiencies for Ryzen 4000 and RDNA 2.0, it's all they talk about minus higher IPC's and a more refined architecture to abscond latency...……...
RDNA 1.0 and current Gen 2 Ryzen are already super efficient, Renoir is a beast of a mobile CPU/APU which outdoes the 9700k in many tests at 15-45 watts...New consoles will be based on Ryzen 4000 and RDNA 2.0 which are even more efficient at 7nm+, so how is heat an issue with any of these consoles next gen......It's almost a forgone conclusion that cooling is a high priority for consoles going forward, nobody wants another RROD fiasco, yet these consoles are not going to have an issue with heat on these smaller nodes, besides it's time console people put their money where their mouth is, I want desktop Ryzen in consoles not Renoir, consoles being low power parts should be a thing of the past, these are not cellphones which you change every-year......
Give me that power, I'm willing to pay $599 or more for my PS5......Deck it with what you must.…...People want everything, they want behemoth machines that can produce graphics much more impressive than Godfall, high level raytracing and lighting technology, they want top end CPU's, they want cutting edge graphics with top end Ai and animation and game-changing physics calculations, they want innovative/next gen level design and huge persistent gameworlds…….They want all types of physical ports, software/OS features and want full BC across a single device with 4k enhancements across PS1-PS4 and they'd be the first to come cry on price......Give me all those things, but I'm willing to do my part.....This mentality of $299-399 or bust has to change in console buyers, consoles are not phones and yet we pay more for phones every year, consoles cycle every 7 years, that's a long time. Sony should go broke on specs, because the same people saying these consoles are long in the tooth by year 3 are the same not willing to pay higher prices for more powerful. more futureproof consoles at launch....My vanilla PS4 and PRO are both still in my possession, the world still turns...
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Oh good. I had a doomsday for Sony scenario flash through my head lol like the little spongebobs running around with his brain on fire after they saw the form factor
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
thelastword
No; 13TF PS5 sounds unrealistic because with the hard data that's already out there with PS5-related GPU benchmark tests, they'd either need a set of chips or a single chip that has zero results available (by some miracle, this late in the game) that have been uncovered by people who are skilled at uncovering those results, or they are intending to use dual Oberon chips clocked well below their sweetspot, which could also indicate that the dual GPU feature was added later on in a significant late-stage redesign (giving validation to speculation of a 2019 launch being delayed, possible issues behind-the-scenes with the design teams, parts of SIE i.e key division heads leaving, etc.).There's also the fact Oberon testing was still being done at 2GHz as late as last June; so for 13TF either over-stress one Oberon at 2GHz and have the second perform at clock levels of GPUs from over 5 years ago? Why?!? Or set the Oberons to lower clocks...where we haven't seen any benchmarks for said clocks that could realistically give 13TF with dual Oberon GPU setup?
Or clock Oberon around XSX's GPU clock target and have a smaller 2nd GPU in dual-GPU setup operating at same clock, for between 12 up to slightly above 13TF? So where is there any hard data pointing to the existence of this other GPU chip, related to PS5?
If you're using logic and reasoned thinking here, there's a lot of alarm bells in regards to 13TF PS5 considering many things lending proof to it missing which should have more than likely been uncovered by now, even if just partially. It has nothing to do with "impossible thermal envelopes" or impossible engineering to hit that performance level in a console.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Take me with you please
PlayStation team reaction about the lack of communication
thelastword
Banned
What hard data? You can't speak of hard data unless it's confirmed, this is a rumor thread for a reason...…..Everything is sloshing about, ain't nothing hard about any data in here..
VN1X
Banned
Someone do a joke here please.
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Ok so, here's my desk. Ask me anything. But seriously... This is a test to show you just how easy it is to be anybody on the internet and tell any old porkies. 40tf PS5 confirmed? I mean, this shot is an original, so it MUST be true. This isn't my desk. This isn't my devkit. But do yourself a favour and prove me wrong. Tell me where this devkit shot is from.
Of course this is bollocks bloody hell.
Of course this is bollocks bloody hell.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Come on man, I even said the 12tf figure for the SX is likely wrong. Its nothing to do with console A vs B, more like simple common sense. I literally said "10tf is likely" for both, lol. Have a day off.
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Hobbygaming
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EliteSmurf
Member
Ok so, here's my desk. Ask me anything. But seriously... This is a test to show you just how easy it is to be anybody on the internet and tell any old porkies. 40tf PS5 confirmed? I mean, this shot is an original, so it MUST be true. This isn't my desk. This isn't my devkit. But do yourself a favour and prove me wrong. Tell me where this devkit shot is from.
Of course this is bollocks bloody hell.
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FrozenFlame
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nikolino840
Member
Is Just for wait this months (for me)
Nickolaidas
Member
You do realize someone's going to use that picture of yours on reddit to prove he's an 'insider', right?Ok so, here's my desk. Ask me anything. But seriously... This is a test to show you just how easy it is to be anybody on the internet and tell any old porkies. 40tf PS5 confirmed? I mean, this shot is an original, so it MUST be true. This isn't my desk. This isn't my devkit. But do yourself a favour and prove me wrong. Tell me where this devkit shot is from.
Of course this is bollocks bloody hell.
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Hobbygaming
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So insider, you got the flops?Ok so, here's my desk. Ask me anything. But seriously... This is a test to show you just how easy it is to be anybody on the internet and tell any old porkies. 40tf PS5 confirmed? I mean, this shot is an original, so it MUST be true. This isn't my desk. This isn't my devkit. But do yourself a favour and prove me wrong. Tell me where this devkit shot is from.
Of course this is bollocks bloody hell.
ANIMAL1975
Member
Exactly. I'm no engineer, so can't say if it really needs that much space-age engineering to get 1 extra Tf of the PS5 GPU (maybe more CUs to not raise the clocks/getting hotter). But about price and shape of the PS5, or even it's cooling solution, we don't have nothing yet to speculate! Everything is a possibility.
The way i see it, Sony is the company with the bigger install base of both software buyers and full paying subscribers, and at the same time (and to me, the most important factor) Sony is the one that has to bring the 'performance/resolution' Next Gen jump... in console games, and PSVR2 games! That's what makes it really hard for me to believe that the PS5 engineering team would be the one targeting lower specs,... And to back up all that Sonys 'conservative and price conscious' big plan, that team10tf defend.
Like people like to say,,,, just my 2 cents.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Haha... Yup. It will likely be on BBC news later, complete with comparisons of the mouse next to it to scale the damn thing.
But if I can do that in less than 5mins while me and my daughter watch Wallace and grommit, what do you think people with more time and less life can dream up?
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CyberPanda
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Ok so, here's my desk. Ask me anything. But seriously... This is a test to show you just how easy it is to be anybody on the internet and tell any old porkies. 40tf PS5 confirmed? I mean, this shot is an original, so it MUST be true. This isn't my desk. This isn't my devkit. But do yourself a favour and prove me wrong. Tell me where this devkit shot is from.
Of course this is bollocks bloody hell.
What porn are you watching where you need a screen that big, homie?
Well I mean, tons of people said something similar to this about Microsoft at the start of this gen before the reveals, and we saw how that played out.
I'm not ruling out the possibility of a 13TF PS5, but the circumstantial evidence and pattern of evidence we have so far doesn't point to it. We have some insiders giving lip service to the claim and that's cool; maybe they know something we don't. But I'm just going with what's been coming out PS-wise in terms of actual events, rumors, mostly-confirmed rumors and data leaks for the past year or so.
So to me, there isn't a lot of solid ground at present to make a 13TF PS5 realistically possible, in a way that's also logically. They can technically go for it even with what we currently know (take an Oberon, dual GPU it basically), but that would smell like a costly and unexpected redesign, not an original plan.
And that opens up a whole can of other worms. But no, "engineering reasons" i.e thermal reasons isn't a factor into why 13TF would be impossible, I don't think anyone dismissing 13TF has honestly brought that up. All the same, idealistic reasons like Sony feeling some pressure to set a performance bar, aren't enough a reason to think they're pushing with a 13TF PS5 or even a 12TF PS5, either, imho. We've seen many times with past generational transitions where the market leader of the previous gen makes decisions for the next system that don't always (if ever) equate to "We need to have the absolute most powerful system of everybody!". I don't think console manufacturers really think of the process that way.
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Exactly. The idea that a huge company and market leader like Sony would drastically change plans that are several years in the making as a reaction to losing the fanboy ascribed 'performance crown' by a small percent is fantastical.
If PS5 is 9tflops it's 9tflops of RDNA, with the SSD this will be a giant leap. They'll price it accordingly if XSX is 12tflops with a slower SSD. So XSX could be $499 and PS5 $450.
Hobbygaming
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so Polyphony Digital has been working on raytracing for years now knowing the PS5 won't have it? 
Anyone saying PS5 won't have RT is not that bright
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DJ12
Member
Okay, so there maybe hard data for Prototype 1, what about 2, maybe 3, the final hardware devkit and retail?
There's also the fact Oberon testing was still being done at 2GHz as late as last June; so for 13TF either over-stress one Oberon at 2GHz and have the second perform at clock levels of GPUs from over 5 years ago? Why?!? Or set the Oberons to lower clocks...where we haven't seen any benchmarks for said clocks that could realistically give 13TF with dual Oberon GPU setup?
Or clock Oberon around XSX's GPU clock target and have a smaller 2nd GPU in dual-GPU setup operating at same clock, for between 12 up to slightly above 13TF? So where is there any hard data pointing to the existence of this other GPU chip, related to PS5?
If you're using logic and reasoned thinking here, there's a lot of alarm bells in regards to 13TF PS5 considering many things lending proof to it missing which should have more than likely been uncovered by now, even if just partially. It has nothing to do with "impossible thermal envelopes" or impossible engineering to hit that performance level in a console.
Why keep posting his shit here, he isnt a insider he has know information he is trolling because he knows some of you lot lap it up and think he knows something. Taking the bait once again.
FrozenFlame
Member
Japanese, considering what is being displayed on the screen.
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
Trollers going to troll
Fake
Member
Because 8TF.
ethomaz
Banned
Where? I need some laughs.
Anyone saying PS5 won't have RT is not that bright
ethomaz
Banned
Says they will share info about PS5, Cyberpunk and Dying Light 2 today.
It is the official PlayStation channel btw... so the info are related to PS5 version of these games.
I just translated the title... I don’t talk Polish.
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Jonsoncao
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chigstoke
Member
I should have asked you to vet my knob when I made the penis threat, you know, so you can totally confirm it’s as big as I said it is and definitely not a lie, absolutely not.
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
I guess some are saying it on the other site, which is ridiculous if they are lol
jackets with pockets
Banned
Posting this just for that sweet Lulz family (RIP):Tell me where this devkit shot is from.
My Home Office & Workstation
This year I got a new job at a place called GoReact that allows me to work remote if I wish. I...
dev.to
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Fake
Member
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
Ray tracing performance is not measured in flops. It is never represented in that number. RT needs a different kind of benchmark that should base on how Many rays can be calculated per second.
www.resetera.com
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
Ray tracing performance is not measured in flops. It is never represented in that number. RT needs a different kind of benchmark that should base on how Many rays can be calculated per second.
www.resetera.com
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
Ray tracing performance is not measured in flops. It is never represented in that number. RT needs a different kind of benchmark that should base on how Many rays can be calculated per second.
www.resetera.com
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
See my response to the other guy. When people here start complaining that others are discussing something, that is what it means to try dismissing something. If folks want to ignore speculation involving that data or trying to find context for it that can help it make more sense, that's fine...
www.resetera.com
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
They need cut the price of PS4, way overpriced now. So in same unveil they should lop $50 ,off PS4 price.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Posting this just for that sweet Lulz family (RIP):
My Home Office & Workstation
This year I got a new job at a place called GoReact that allows me to work remote if I wish. I...
shit, I’m calling the feds, how dare he take MY OFFICE and photoshop the ps5 out of it, while also simultaneously adding extra data to the image and adding a background! HOW RUDE!!!
ethomaz
Banned
Same is happening in GAF a lot of new alt-accounts trying to deny PS5 and create buzz to Xbox.Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
Ray tracing performance is not measured in flops. It is never represented in that number. RT needs a different kind of benchmark that should base on how Many rays can be calculated per second.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
Ray tracing performance is not measured in flops. It is never represented in that number. RT needs a different kind of benchmark that should base on how Many rays can be calculated per second.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
Ray tracing performance is not measured in flops. It is never represented in that number. RT needs a different kind of benchmark that should base on how Many rays can be calculated per second.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
See my response to the other guy. When people here start complaining that others are discussing something, that is what it means to try dismissing something. If folks want to ignore speculation involving that data or trying to find context for it that can help it make more sense, that's fine...
The poll and news threads are like that now.
I never saw so many new Xbox fans in GAF (even 360 where they dominated here were not like that).
But hey 2 accounts were banned for saying that there lol
Mods are a joke.
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Gamernyc78
Banned
The green ninjas at work. Have to put ppl out there to start tht propaganda machine even though those tactics hvnt been working for many gens now
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