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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread

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The xsx is going to be a 200-225w console because of RDNA2 power efficiencies and we know it's using an 8 shape power input.
That power connector is good for 1250w.
- Oberon = Navi 10 (GitHub leaks)
- PS5 = RDNA 2 = Navi 2X
- Navi 10 != Navi 2X
-> Oberon != PS5
Mind showing us where GitHub lists Oberon as navi10? I'm looking but can't find anything other than _rogame stating it's navi10.
 

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Actually... might want to listen to timdog this time.

I thought it waa pretty well known however that this will and next week will have some new details dropping?
He said it was today now he's making excuses. And yes it will happen because actual legit people like Jez and other guys have hinted about it 3 or 4 days ago.
 
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leveraging the latest Zen 2 and Radeon RDNA architecture from our partners at AMD"
Yoooo! Are you serious? AMD just confirmed that "both consoles will use our latest Zen technology, use our latest RDNA technology as well" as you can listen to it here.


And when Microsoft revealed revealed the Project Scarlett, they were saying "leveraging the latest Zen 2 and Navi technology from our partners at AMD" as you can listen to it here.


Please stop this nonsense, LATEST = RDNA 2 IN 2020, the more you keep denying it, the more silly you look when the final specs of the PlayStation 5 are revealed.
 

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O'dium's description earlier is interesting. I was always under the impression that devs still have to make design decisions with hardware based on lowest common denominator. A dev decides he wants to push out full environmental destruction unlike anything seen before in a game but can't do it on a console that's much weaker. They scrap the design decision and go with more middle ground to accommodate the lower console since it's only way it can exist there and the higher console does not get their full power potential unlocked.

What happens if Microsoft also puts very strict stipulations in for their certifications to keep games in line? In the past didn't both consoles have requirements where they couldn't use certain features to give the other console a big advantage hardware wise on a multiplatform title? It's not realistic to think Microsoft would throw strict certification around to prevent messes on Lockhart? Maybe I'm not fully understanding what O'dium is saying but it seems hard to believe a console that is speculatively nearly 3x more powerful is not held back by the lowest common denominator console. I guess it depends if it's on the same architecture as we think then it would just downclocked in power.

Not saying you're lying or wrong but I guess I just don't understand how on a technical level. Yeah, I get that you can always lower resolution, use dynamic resolutions, lower the graphics effects but do devs do that now? It sure as hell seems like they'd rather give you a 20fps game that's gorgeous to look at than make it look like Nioh and run at a consistent 60fps. Maybe that's a philosophy difference between Western and Japanese devs because Western devs love giving you shitty performance for eyegasms rather than toning a game down graphically for better performance.
 
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We know they are both Navi2x.
This means the base is either one of the following:

RX 5800
RX 5900
RX 5950
RX 5950XT

XSX lines-up with the rumoured specs of the 5800. PS5 is likely using that one too as the others are said to be a lot more powerful, so as insiders have said expect them to be roughly the same +/- 1TF.
I just want everything 100% confirmed. So we can move on from the arguments of whats its gonna be for months.
 
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Please don't tell me folks are back to accusing DF and slandering them....really?

Sigh...and it's only just Monday :LOL:

Look, you don't have to like their technical analysis or what-not, you don't have to agree with them. When it comes to next-gen speculation I definitely don't agree with them on everything including the idea PS5 is legit 9.2TF. But to go as far as to insinuate they have an active agenda against Sony and PlayStation is absolutely ridiculous. Unless you have actual proof that's what they're doing, you are acting no better than #CancelCulture people on Twitter.

Why does it matter if MS did a reveal video with DF for the X? Sony went to Wired to reveal first details on PS5, where are the accusations of Wired being in Sony's back pockets at? Yes it's evident Richard has a preference but I would strongly doubt they let that preference get to the point of outright making up lies about Sony and PlayStation. Him, John and the rest of DF are very good at what they do, they don't need to be mocked just because they have a different idea on what entails for a next-gen system than you do.

We can do better than that. It's okay to disagree but don't go as far as insisting they're access media or whatever for MS. Just like how we aren't implying Wired or whatever other media outlets have a very strong tie to Sony aren't access media for them to the detriment of Microsoft. If you don't have PROOF, honestly I don't want to hear any of that type of garbage because it comes off like a whiny teenage girl arguing in a rumor circle at the lunch table, and I was personally tired of that crap in high school.
The idea of MS trying to lowball or FUD the PS5 through DF, Github or by any other means is real tin foil hat stuff.

No amount of discrediting will undo whatever the truth turns out to be. Anymore than spreading false information would.

It changes nothing.
 

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Z zeroeffect You’re thinking of it all wrong.

For example, a 4tf Series S at 1080p can produce better visuals than a 9.2tf PS5 at 4k (minus of course the resolution deficit) This is just fact, hard numbers, based purely on the rendering overhead of enhanced resolution. A 9.2tf PS5 at 1080p would quite easily demolish a 4tf series S, however.

No downgrades are essentially required, here, it’s just possibilities.

(note this isn’t me saying I agree with 9.2, it’s an example. You all know where I stand.)
 
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Well well well...

Nothing against Reggie, but Gamestop should consider some former regular customers for the job before bleeding cash on more corporate exec types. In my opinion, their fortunes would be much better served by addressing the "why don't you shop here any more" questions than the "what gimmick will work this time" questions.
 

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There is this grand conspiracy that ms owns DF or something. It’s quite comical
Well when they start talking about which 3rd party game looks and plays better on PS5, I'm taking out my DF sucks hard card and gonna use it! :p


It was today and then...


Sony guys want more Xbox news than us Xbox guys!

But to be fair, only reason I want to hear any PS5 news, is to see the specs and then meltdowns if it happens. That's my only interest. :) Not sure what more news PS guys want to see from Xbox. Maybe it's just nice to hear news on ANY next gen console. :D
 
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Well when they start talking about which 3rd party game looks and plays better on PS5, I'm taking out my DF sucks hard card and gonna use it! :p



Sony guys want more Xbox news than us Xbox guys!

But to be fair, only reason I want to hear any PS5 news, is to see the specs and then meltdowns if it happens. That's my only interest. :) Not sure what more news PS guys want to see from Xbox. Maybe it's just nice to hear news on ANY next gen console. :D
How tht made you feel? 🤔 🤡🤡 Or nah?! 🤣 🤣 🤣
 

Fun Fanboy

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How tht made you feel? 🤔 🤡🤡 Or nah?! 🤣 🤣 🤣
I'll get a raging clue!!! :p

He said it was today now he's making excuses. And yes it will happen because actual legit people like Jez and other guys have hinted about it 3 or 4 days ago.
You realize Jez and Tim are friends right? I'm sure behind closed door, they talk. Things change right? Did you hold on to PS5 reveal because Klee said so? I'm sure you still thought it would happen as the days of February started to vanish. Things change. It happens.
 
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Yoooo! Are you serious? AMD just confirmed that "both consoles will use our latest Zen technology, use our latest RDNA technology as well" as you can listen to it here.


And when Microsoft revealed revealed the Project Scarlett, they were saying "leveraging the latest Zen 2 and Navi technology from our partners at AMD" as you can listen to it here.


Please stop this nonsense, LATEST = RDNA 2 IN 2020, the more you keep denying it, the more silly you look when the final specs of the PlayStation 5 are revealed.
Did i say PS5 won't have RDNA 2 Features ?
 

dark10x

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I agree that DF lean heavily into console war rhetoric (unsurprisingly, since it forms a significant chunk of their traffic) but the idea that they are biased to one company or another is just silly.
I've come to the opinion that it's impossible to avoid it. I've worked super hard to NOT make console war style videos over the past couple years. That has been my main objective. Even then, they were used in that way. That's why I'm mostly split between Retro (my preferred content) and stuff like those feature videos (ie - Death Stranding, Gears 5, Days Gone etc). I just like to showcase what makes games beautiful while helping people learn. Comparisons can be interesting when the differences are massive, though, but they rarely are these days. That's why I still enjoy doing Switch videos as the sacrifices tend to be huge.

Now that we have a new gen? This is going to suck so much. It's really not much fun anymore. I used to love these hype cycles but things have become too personal and nasty as of late. It's never enough to disagree - they have to tear others down.

Oh how I wish I could just cover retro stuff full-time - that's where my actual interests are these days. I'm fairly positive, at least, that I own more games on various PlayStation platforms than like 95% of the folks in this thread anyways (~1027 physical games + 315 digital for PS platforms).

Either way, with things escalating, I'll probably have to take a long hiatus from the various forums as it really gets to me even when it shouldn't. It's not healthy.

Also - just in case people missed this I *DO NOT* make videos based on rumors and the like. That's not what I do personally. So if you dislike that type of content, that's fine, but leave me out of it. A lot of people DO enjoy it, though.
 
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CyberPanda

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I've come to the opinion that it's impossible to avoid it. I've worked super hard to NOT make console war style videos over the past couple years. That has been my main objective. Even then, they were used in that way. That's why I'm mostly split between Retro (my preferred content) and stuff like those feature videos (ie - Death Stranding, Gears 5, Days Gone etc). I just like to showcase what makes games beautiful while helping people learn. Comparisons can be interesting when the differences are massive, though, but they rarely are these days. That's why I still enjoy doing Switch videos as the sacrifices tend to be huge.

Now that we have a new gen? This is going to suck so much. It's really not much fun anymore. I used to love these hype cycles but things have become too personal and nasty as of late. It's never enough to disagree - they have to tear others down.

Oh how I wish I could just cover retro stuff full-time - that's where my actual interests are these days. I'm fairly positive, at least, that I own more games on various PlayStation platforms than like 95% of the folks in this thread anyways (~1027 physical games + 315 digital for PS platforms).

Either way, with things escalating, I'll probably have to take a long hiatus from the various forums as it really gets to me even when it shouldn't. It's not healthy.

Also - just in case people missed this I *DO NOT* make videos based on rumors and the like. That's not what I do personally. So if you dislike that type of content, that's fine, but leave me out of it. A lot of people DO enjoy it, though.
Hey, ignore the toxic people. I appreciate all the work you have done in the past, and currently. Don’t take too much to heart best you can. It’s a shitty world out there.
 

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Z zeroeffect You’re thinking of it all wrong.

For example, a 4tf Series S at 1080p can produce better visuals than a 9.2tf PS5 at 4k (minus of course the resolution deficit) This is just fact, hard numbers, based purely on the rendering overhead of enhanced resolution. A 9.2tf PS5 at 1080p would quite easily demolish a 4tf series S, however.

No downgrades are essentially required, here, it’s just possibilities.

(note this isn’t me saying I agree with 9.2, it’s an example. You all know where I stand.)
Honestly i am hoping devs don't go native 4k next gen and just use checkerboard rendering and other tech like that .
So we can get more 60fps games or used that power for other stuff .
If done good people can hardly tell the difference since it look so good.
 
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I've come to the opinion that it's impossible to avoid it. I've worked super hard to NOT make console war style videos over the past couple years. That has been my main objective. Even then, they were used in that way. That's why I'm mostly split between Retro (my preferred content) and stuff like those feature videos (ie - Death Stranding, Gears 5, Days Gone etc). I just like to showcase what makes games beautiful while helping people learn. Comparisons can be interesting when the differences are massive, though, but they rarely are these days. That's why I still enjoy doing Switch videos as the sacrifices tend to be huge.

Now that we have a new gen? This is going to suck so much. It's really not much fun anymore. I used to love these hype cycles but things have become too personal and nasty as of late. It's never enough to disagree - they have to tear others down.

Oh how I wish I could just cover retro stuff full-time - that's where my actual interests are these days. I'm fairly positive, at least, that I own more games on various PlayStation platforms than like 95% of the folks in this thread anyways (~1027 physical games + 315 digital for PS platforms).

Either way, with things escalating, I'll probably have to take a long hiatus from the various forums as it really gets to me even when it shouldn't. It's not healthy.

Also - just in case people missed this I *DO NOT* make videos based on rumors and the like. That's not what I do personally. So if you dislike that type of content, that's fine, but leave me out of it. A lot of people DO enjoy it, though.
Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
 

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I've come to the opinion that it's impossible to avoid it. I've worked super hard to NOT make console war style videos over the past couple years. That has been my main objective. Even then, they were used in that way. That's why I'm mostly split between Retro (my preferred content) and stuff like those feature videos (ie - Death Stranding, Gears 5, Days Gone etc). I just like to showcase what makes games beautiful while helping people learn. Comparisons can be interesting when the differences are massive, though, but they rarely are these days. That's why I still enjoy doing Switch videos as the sacrifices tend to be huge.

Now that we have a new gen? This is going to suck so much. It's really not much fun anymore. I used to love these hype cycles but things have become too personal and nasty as of late. It's never enough to disagree - they have to tear others down.

Oh how I wish I could just cover retro stuff full-time - that's where my actual interests are these days. I'm fairly positive, at least, that I own more games on various PlayStation platforms than like 95% of the folks in this thread anyways (~1027 physical games + 315 digital for PS platforms).

Either way, with things escalating, I'll probably have to take a long hiatus from the various forums as it really gets to me even when it shouldn't. It's not healthy.

Also - just in case people missed this I *DO NOT* make videos based on rumors and the like. That's not what I do personally. So if you dislike that type of content, that's fine, but leave me out of it. A lot of people DO enjoy it, though.
Retro videos are my favourite DF videos
 

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
Dude you sound pathetic. GAF is the place that worshipped DF the most until PS lost the power crown. Embarrassing post
 

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
Wow. ... Pathetic.
 

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
Pathetic and sad at the same time
 

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
What the hell do you think you're doing? You are making it personal and attacking someone you know actually did nothing wrong.
 

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
That’s a pretty shitty thing to say but you’re probably right. This feels like such a tiny thing compared to everything else going on, though, so fuck it. I will do as you say and leave.

Oh, and not that it matters, but of course PS5 is RDNA2. I never said otherwise. I just hadn’t seen that presentation until today because I was not in town. I expect amazing things from PS5.

If mods are reading, maybe reach out. I’d like to say just delete my account or maybe a temporary ban would be better. This is my final post here. Appreciate the folks that have been kind. If you want to stay in touch, reach out elsewhere.
 

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
 

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
Man... no.

 

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Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
you take this too seriously my dude. noticed that already with a lot of your comments.