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[HeisenbergFX4]

This I have no idea about. The person I told you about privately won’t say anything one way or the other.

Same I am simply not getting info on this latest DK, its literally under lock and key and super limited access even inside the same teams, its super interesting.

 

[amstradcpc]

if the difference in flops is as minimal as 0,2 tflops no wonder why Sony doesnt want to be the first to spill the beans to allow MS a small clock increase.

 

[Fake]

Lordt

I genuinely wonder if people will be upset by how similar the machines are this time around.

Will be shocking.

 

[Gudji]

See ...
But doesn’t matter Seres X has the thermal room to overclock 50 MHz on the GPU, easy with 54 CU, and the rower design, that’s 0.5 TF, they will be always ahead.

eveh a CPU OVERCLOCK is in the picture.

Lmao you fanboys are insufferable.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

I was hinting that when the consoles launch the XsX would be more powerful and have stayed the course.

People under estimate the leaks of a month or two ago where numbers were at that time how much more mature the PS5 DKs were compared to XsX.

Just using examples here.

I don't put much stock into DK2 PS5 being strong then DK1 XsX

This I have no idea about. The person I told you about privately won’t say anything one way or the other.

Help me out guys. What i am not understanding here is: in what stage of the devkits are we at now, for both? Dv2? And only one left is the final?

 

[RasAlGhoul]

The clowns have shown back up. Time for this thread to be unbearable again.

 

[amstradcpc]

Same I am simply not getting info on this latest DK, its literally under lock and key and super limited access even inside the same teams, its super interesting.

is normal. In the presentation they should say tflops are in the double figures and call it a day. Being the most powerful is a great marketing weapon they dont want to lose.

 

[Gamernyc78]

So it was the other way around, PS5 11.6 and XSX 12.4 then PS5 closed the gap to 12.2 vs 12.4? I like this fight, let them push to the limits!

How did you come to this Conclusion? The point is thy are so close you can't tell and we won't know whose ahead until the final skus. Mind you that wasbt from the final psv gdk

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Seems like no exact numbers after all

 

[amstradcpc]

Help me out guys. What i am not understanding here is: in what stage of the devkits are we at now, for both? Dv2? And only one left is the final?

MS last recent v3 devkit more flops than Sony v2 devkit. Till now Sony v2 had greater flops than MS v2. There is an v3 Sony devkit in hands of only first parties surely and nobody knows the flops.

 

[RasAlGhoul]

Seems like no exact numbers after all

No one is going to hand out exact numbers.

 

[amstradcpc]

No one is going to hand out exact numbers.

No, to avoid being tracked. Surely the spec sheet they have doesnt match the real numbers of the dev kit, each studio could have a different slightly software modified clock.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

No one is going to hand out exact numbers.

As long as both are 12TF+, I'm happy. Thanks for sharing OsirisBlack and HeisenbergFX4 . Now can't wait to see you both on Youtube

 

[darkinstinct]

Help me out guys. What i am not understanding here is: in what stage of the devkits are we at now, for both? Dv2? And only one left is the final?

Sony would at least be on v3 by now. First one was Ariel based tower PC design, then jet engine Oberon 9.2 TF, now seemingly at non final around 12 TF v3. I really wish somebody would explain to me why an APU built specifically only for a temporary devkit (v2) was tested for Backwards Compatibility. I really want to know.

 

[sinnergy]

Lmao you fanboys are insufferable.

It’s true 50 MHz is doable on the GPU for Series X, 50 MHz is nothing for that design , but gets you 0.5 TF even 100Mhz is in the picture. It’s all about numbers with the hardcore.

 

[DaGwaphics]

12+ doesn't sound right for the scenario provided, IMHO. (Which admittedly isn't worth a whole lot).

 

[Gavin Stevens]

and once again we are back to the same faces twisting things so that they get an edge however they can.

Come on you bunch of tarts, be happy, we are all 12 floppy bros. Let’s just be happy.

 

[44alltheway]

OsirisBlack and HeisenbergFX4 , do you all think either of the consoles could come out at a price higher than 499$. Seem pretty likely neither of the two would be below that number, but I'm interested what you two think based on what your sources are saying.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

How did you come to this Conclusion? The point is thy are so close you can't tell and we won't know whose ahead until the final skus. Mind you that wasbt from the final psv gdk

Yes, people are not comprehending Osiris post: the numbers he gave was has an example, they weren't shared by the dev... and I'm not native English speaker lol

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

You're all forgetting what BGs said. Stop obssessing over tflops and start thinking which console has better balance.

What console has faster memory access?

What console has faster SSD?

Which one has more low-level API?

Is Mart Cerny unconventionally handsome or just creepy looking?

Q's like this will ultimately decide which side those delicious salty fanboy tears fall.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Sony would at least be on v3 by now. First one was Ariel based tower PC design, then jet engine Oberon 9.2 TF, now seemingly at non final around 12 TF v3. I really wish somebody would explain to me why an APU built specifically only for a temporary devkit (v2) was tested for Backwards Compatibility. I really want to know.

Partial tests not showing all CUs and RT cores with a stress test at 2000Mhz, 18>36>54.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You're all forgetting what BGs said. Stop obssessing over tflops and start thinking which console has better balance.

What console has faster memory access?

What console has faster SSD?

Which one has more low-level API?

Is Mart Cerny unconventionally handsome or just creepy looking?

Q's like this will ultimately decide which side those delicious salty fanboy tears fall.

MS for years hammered us with TFs and conditioned so many people to that being the end goal.

Most do not understand the upgrade we are getting with this new tech and SSDs

 

[Bo_Hazem]

and once again we are back to the same faces twisting things so that they get an edge however they can.

Come on you bunch of tarts, be happy, we are all 12 floppy bros. Let’s just be happy.

 

[sinnergy]

MS for years hammered us with TFs and conditioned so many people to that being the end goal.

Most do not understand the upgrade we are getting with this new tech and SSDs

I do , but the more processing power, the better. Can make the difference in smoother frame rate.

the rest is on par , Ssd, ram,

 

[Sinthor]

Less than 2% difference is just perfect, no matter which one has the edge. Hyping up here.

That's where I'm at. Honestly, I'll be getting a PS5 but I DO hope that the differences are minimal. Even with the last gen PS4 v Xbox1 I just didn't like the arguments and silliness about how XB1 was rendering at less resolution, etc. If they're both so that games run and look the same, that' fine by me and I don't CARE who technically edges the other by the numbers. At least not that way. If there are other differences the platform holders build into their systems that come in new and/or unexpected ways, that's fine. But for me it's really about the ecosystem.

 

[darkinstinct]

No, to avoid being tracked. Surely the spec sheet they have doesnt match the real numbers of the dev kit, each studio could have a different slightly software modified clock.

LOL, devs would be furious if that happened. Enjoy your 1.97 GHz GPU. And a 1.96 GHz for you. Would lead to these possible numbers: 9.22, 9.17, 9.12, ... basically 0.05 steps between devs. Now with more than 100 studios working on PS5 games that would mean they would need to have some devs develop on an 8.76 TF machine while others work on a 9.22 TF machine, all to protect against leaks, against which a simple NDA is much more effective. You could even only track it to the studio, not to a particular dev. So you would actually need to modify clock speeds for every devkit. 1000 devkits, some are working with 9.22 TF, others with 4.61 TF. The ideas get crazier every day.

 

[johnjohn]

So seems like people are finally agreeing that SeX has the edge Now I just can't wait to see the games, especially since apparently "MS has been killing it" in regards to games.

 

[Neo Blaster]

MS for years hammered us with TFs and conditioned so many people to that being the end goal.

Most do not understand the upgrade we are getting with this new tech and SSDs

Much better CPU, custom SSD, RT, so much more to be excited than just the GPU flops.

 

[Neo Blaster]

So seems like people are finally agreeing that SeX has the edge Now I just can't wait to see the games, especially since apparently "MS has been killing it" in regards to games.

Oh, boy, everybody celebrating how close these machines are and then...

Some people are such a lost cause.

 

[johnjohn]

Oh, boy, everybody celebrating how close these machines are and then...

Some people are such a lost cause.

Oh how the narratives change lol

 

[Neo Blaster]

Oh how the narratives change lol

Whose narrative? Many people here always wanted them to be equal.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

You're all forgetting what BGs said. Stop obssessing over tflops and start thinking which console has better balance.

What console has faster memory access?

What console has faster SSD?

Which one has more low-level API?

Is Mart Cerny unconventionally handsome or just creepy looking?

Q's like this will ultimately decide which side those delicious salty fanboy tears fall.

Exactly, BGs on one of his first posts said (if my memory doesn't fail) XSX devkit has more tfs, but PS5 has performance advantage. He said there's a new PS devkit but he wouldn't talk about it, because what he knows is not first-hand, and that he counts in getting it probably in June.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Having seen 000000 O running I’ll just say this. Games > Flops. The lighting in this game is beyond my ability to explain. Firing a shotgun in a dark room seeing the muzzle shot light up the room and the accompanying smoke wafting around leaving trails that also react to the light and has actual weight. Everything just seems real.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

LOL, devs would be furious if that happened. Enjoy your 1.97 GHz GPU. And a 1.96 GHz for you. Would lead to these possible numbers: 9.22, 9.17, 9.12, ... basically 0.05 steps between devs. Now with more than 100 studios working on PS5 games that would mean they would need to have some devs develop on an 8.76 TF machine while others work on a 9.22 TF machine, all to protect against leaks, against which a simple NDA is much more effective. You could even only track it to the studio, not to a particular dev. So you would actually need to modify clock speeds for every devkit. 1000 devkits, some are working with 9.22 TF, others with 4.61 TF. The ideas get crazier every day.

Are you possessed by Timdog by any chance? jk Just saw the same passion with 9.2TF.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Having seen 000000 O running I’ll just say this. Games > Flops. The lighting in this game is beyond my ability to explain. Firing a shotgun in a dark room seeing the muzzle shot light up the room and the accompanying smoke wafting around leaving trails that also react to the light and has actual weight. Everything just seems real.

What are you talking about!??? Flops >>>>> games until death!

 

[darkinstinct]

Whose narrative? Many people here always wanted them to be equal.

You have been here for three weeks. And you shifted from a 54 CU APU just a week ago (which would put PS5 at 13.8 TF) to "I want them to be equal"? Tell you what. Let's pretend your 54 CU butterfly design is correct. Then to achieve equality it needs to run at 1.8 GHz. So why does Sony need to spend a lot of money on cooling? I can answer that, because according to your idea they would run PS5 Boost mode at 36 CU and 2 GHz while running native PS5 games at 54 CU and 1.8 GHz. In what way does that make any sense? They'd rather have no boost mode than to have to clock their APU at 2 GHz instead of 1.8 GHz. Also why not simpy use a boost mode with 36 CU at 1,8 GHz?

 

[mitchman]

Mwc was cancelled because majority of the companies there would've been from China and coming by plane. That's why GDC is still happening as Chinese attendees and retailers are a tiny part of the whole show. I don't know of any other shows being cancelled and I don't see why a lot of people from China would be involved in a Sony release conference. Few people in the media?

MWC, Cisco Live, Facebook 5000 people conference, Swatch's conference, Singapore Airshow severly handicapped due to cancellations (70+ companies have cancelled), 2020 Chinese Grand Prix cancelled and many other smaller events. So yes, it's possible.

 

[darkinstinct]

Having seen 000000 O running I’ll just say this. Games > Flops. The lighting in this game is beyond my ability to explain. Firing a shotgun in a dark room seeing the muzzle shot light up the room and the accompanying smoke wafting around leaving trails that also react to the light and has actual weight. Everything just seems real.

How can the smoke trails be lit in a dark room from a shotgun muzzle flash? The flash would happen and light up the room, then the smoke would form when it is already dark again. So how do you see those smoke trails in the dark room reacting to the light?

 

[vpance]

Mandatory hazmat suit rule sounds simpler to do than all that, TBH.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

How can the smoke trails be lit in a dark room from a shotgun muzzle flash? The flash would happen and light up the room, then the smoke would form when it is already dark again. So how do you see those smoke trails in the dark room reacting to the light?

If it's the same game he talked about before, the guy has a flashlight on the shoulder.

 

[amstradcpc]

You have been here for three weeks. And you shifted from a 54 CU APU just a week ago (which would put PS5 at 13.8 TF) to "I want them to be equal"? Tell you what. Let's pretend your 54 CU butterfly design is correct. Then to achieve equality it needs to run at 1.8 GHz. So why does Sony need to spend a lot of money on cooling? I can answer that, because according to your idea they would run PS5 Boost mode at 36 CU and 2 GHz while running native PS5 games at 54 CU and 1.8 GHz. In what way does that make any sense? They'd rather have no boost mode than to have to clock their APU at 2 GHz instead of 1.8 GHz. Also why not simpy use a boost mode with 36 CU at 1,8 GHz?

He doesnt want PS 5 to be 9,2, neither do I. You yes?.

 

[mitchman]

Sony would at least be on v3 by now. First one was Ariel based tower PC design, then jet engine Oberon 9.2 TF, now seemingly at non final around 12 TF v3. I really wish somebody would explain to me why an APU built specifically only for a temporary devkit (v2) was tested for Backwards Compatibility. I really want to know.

Page 911 discusses this in context of the Japanese article.

 

[farmerboy]

Say the difference ends up being .5 tf either way. It'd be pretty lame/pathetic to celebrate that.

 

[hemo memo]

Say the difference ends up being .5 tf either way. It'd be pretty lame/pathetic to celebrate that.

You underestimate the power of marketing.

 

[CyberPanda]

Say the difference ends up being .5 tf either way. It'd be pretty lame/pathetic to celebrate that.

Yea, but people celebrated the Xbox One and PS4 difference. Which is approx .5tf difference.

 

[Moridianae]

I mean...if the power crown ends up going to a system who has less than a TF more, kinda meh.

I think we all win this generation with them being this close. Microsoft had a hard lesson learned from last gen; Sony is going to keep apace, so both systems being relatively equal doesn't surprise me.

 

[TherapistGaymer]

As long as both are 12TF+, I'm happy. Thanks for sharing OsirisBlack and HeisenbergFX4 . Now can't wait to see you both on Youtube

Exactly! Lmao

 

[demigod]

Yea, but people celebrated the Xbox One and PS4 difference. Which is approx .5tf difference.

Looks like you failed math.

 

[SlimySnake]

Say the difference ends up being .5 tf either way. It'd be pretty lame/pathetic to celebrate that.

Dont ever underestimate insecurity manifesting itself in embarrassing displays of overcompensation.

 

[TherapistGaymer]

Yea, but people celebrated the Xbox One and PS4 difference. Which is approx .5tf difference.

You know what Curry? I applaud you. Because I see who you like. I know what brand you stand hard for but you keep it clean. So yes it was celebrated "only" because 1. MS had the more expensive box and was weaker. 2. Because resolution mattered then. 900p to 1080p native mattered. Hell I applaud the One X so much for the same reason. I almost got one but decided to weight to get both boxes this generation and saved up a $1000.