Neo Blaster
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Rumor has it only first party have the latest PS5 devkit, thirds have an older one.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Rumour also has it only MS first party have newer dev kits, and third parties have even OLDER ones...
Who knows. That’s why it’s called rumour
Tenka Musou
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NathanDiego
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Makes sense the dev with this version is a first party developer and don't want to talk,it is easier likely to track a leak if they open their mouth.
MARTYWOLF
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Depends if MS/Sony wanna destroy AMDs gpu line up for the year ahhah that would be insane numbers for the consoles
5700 is already gonna be beaten handily so I assume big navi is gonna be incredibly powerful just seems the consoles are poised to out do the mid range which is a big change from last gen
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New Socom confirmed . convinced you seen re-imagined Death Trap map from Socom 2...yes i want to believe
Comparing next gen game’s you’ve seen.. How does Hellblade 2 trailer stack up?
MARTYWOLF
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Did they see Scorpio?
ThaMonkeyClaw
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From my understanding, yes since it was the conference before E3 2017
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah thats where i got the pics from.
the funny thing is that this confirms that MS flies in a bunch of their fans to their conferences to applaud their weak announcements. i dont think any journalist not named arthur gies is wearing that.
wouldnt be surprised if timdog is in that pic somewhere. iirc he mentioned speaking with penello at one of these things. same goes for senjustsu sage who spoke with a scorpio engineer. im sure colbert has earned himself an invitation this year lol
Agnostic2020
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He will write them all poems
Roronoa Zoro
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Did you make a bet involving info coming before page 1000?
trancefreak64
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Just read the last 20 thread pages, I don't know why I do that to myself.
Insane Metal
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trancefreak64
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This cube from the movie Insurgent reminds me of something. Looks like a futuristic Xbox or something.
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Aceofspades
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I know some publications that will be disappointed if PS5 is higher than 8TFs
eff you Digital Foundry
ThaMonkeyClaw
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I am just waiting to see how this bet pans out!
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...-leaks-thread.1480978/page-810#post-256737057
Self High Five
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Did you take a tour of a studio or something? How else are you seeing a game is run in development unless you're one of the developers?
Is this dev kit or target spec numbers? If this is just a reference on how close they are (.2 difference) then the gap is inconsistent with your previous numbers (11.6 and 12.4). Unless one of them caught up....but none of this is clear in your posts.
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TLZ
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OsirisBlack
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Moridianae
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Why wouldn't Sony catch up or vice versa, honestly?
Realistically, I don't perceive a scenario where Sony and Microsoft somehow *didn't know* or highly anticipate roughly what each other's system capabilities were gonna be. I'm sure both of them planned wiggle room accordingly.
I think there is only one feature wherein a console may have a clear advantage and that is Sony's SSD technology. Even then, I don't think it'll be an end-all, be-all edge.
GPU, CPU and RAM I'm pretty sure will be identical or close enough to be a non-factor by the time the final kits hit around E3.
To me, if final kits are under severe lock and key right now? That tells me, currently, only first-party or *extremely* prominent third party studios have them.
Realistically, I don't perceive a scenario where Sony and Microsoft somehow *didn't know* or highly anticipate roughly what each other's system capabilities were gonna be. I'm sure both of them planned wiggle room accordingly.
I think there is only one feature wherein a console may have a clear advantage and that is Sony's SSD technology. Even then, I don't think it'll be an end-all, be-all edge.
GPU, CPU and RAM I'm pretty sure will be identical or close enough to be a non-factor by the time the final kits hit around E3.
To me, if final kits are under severe lock and key right now? That tells me, currently, only first-party or *extremely* prominent third party studios have them.
Burrito Bandito
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this thread is comical.
*one person says something remotely positive about xbox*
*endless stream of Sony fanboys*
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
ect for 15 pages
*one person says something remotely positive about xbox*
*endless stream of Sony fanboys*
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
“lol, fucking xbots, they are like a cult!!”
ect for 15 pages
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Dunno; haven't seen Phison's memory controller chart in a while so can't recall what the other choices were. I'm guessing MS would want to try having an SSD that's at least as fast as Sony's, but I'm just thinking about the custom NAND cache. That depends on how the systems are really doing the implementation though.
I'm personally thinking they'll both have a custom daughterboard with the NAND cache on it maybe as a SSD M.2 form factor (or cartridge enclosure) you can just swap in and out plugging in like a cartridge, which will be the faster drive, and a slot for user-optional 3rd-party drives but on slower access. The custom cache could be replaceable with a 1st-party drive which, if they're using TLC or QLC NAND, might be important for power users who install and uninstall tons of data because those type of NAND have lower endurance levels and quick degradation of performance the longer they're used.
Can't see why both of them can't offer between 6-8 GB/s bandwidth for the custom drive; the CPUs should support at least 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes, so they'd only be using 3 to 4 lanes for the custom drive. And the user-optional slot for 3rd-party drives doesn't need to be that fast, 2 GB/s is probably enough, 4 GB/s at most. So 1-2 extra PCIe 4.0 lanes. 4-6 lanes used at most out of minimum 16 (assuming the CPUs are based around the 4800U mobile chip and that supports at least 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes; the desktop versions support 24).
OsirisBlack
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The only people that I know that have access to them are both companies first party studios.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
They both know what hardware is available at any given point in time, no doubt. But if one targets 399 and the other 499, there is no way that they are going to end up at the same specs. And if one has a $100 higher budget, it's going to show in a substantially more powerful APU, in more RAM, more SSD storage or all of the above. If Sony uses a special SSD technology (I doubt it since they are sourcing their NAND from Samsung like Microsoft) that would come at a cost. Which would cut into their remaining budget. You can't have it all. So faster SSD = less RAM or less powerful APU. But if they were targeting 399 (and that they are worried about BOM reaching $450 suggests that they were) and use a special SSD - you can be damn sure that they will have around $120 less to play with regarding APU and RAM. The rest of the systems will be pretty much identical, these are the three parts that are different between them. Of course Xbox could target 399 as well. But that doesn't make a lot of sense with the whole two SKU strategy.
Bo_Hazem
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KURDISTAN YPG
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bitbydeath
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HeisenbergFX4
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Are you getting matching specs toOsirisBlack ? Does this mean your off team 9.5TF?
I am team hoping they are both 12
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
you spelled cunt wrong.
Lone Wolf
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You posted this as a joke right?No, it was either 720p vs 900p/1080p or 900p va 1080p.
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Deleted member 775630
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What I don't understand is that if the difference is so minimal then why is the BOM of the XSX more expensive when it's the PS5 that uses an unconventional cooling system and custom SSD?
bitbydeath
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The same article also mentioned PS5 costing more (possibly due to modifications they make on top of the BOM) and Sony needing to try match Xbox RRP.
Or it was all just guesstimates.
ANIMAL1975
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EliteSmurf
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Because wasn't that article talking about BOM just speculation anyways ?
Just a little clarification. Hopefully this makes sense to you haha. So let's say hypothetically that each console gets 4 versions of their devkits. The 4th being the final version. Do you mean XsX has just released their 3rd one(slightly ahead of Sony's 3rd one) and Sony have some of their final ones out, but the guy you know that has access to it isn't saying anything yet?
So we can also expected a final version of the XsX in the coming months, or is their current one their final one?
Bo_Hazem
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I believe both are using Radeon VII chip as a platform (and that's why it's been discontinued very quickly), Xbox with 56 CU (4 deactivated) and Sony 54 CU (4 deactivated with more room for RT or Sound tracing). Probably that what made numbers like 14.2TF, 13.8TF floating around more than a year for the PS5, more likely as well they were testing how far they can push it. Plus the HBM2 speculations, I won't let that out as Sony could gamble and put that in as it should be cooler and more capable as HBM2 and GDDR6 are closer to each in terms of pricing lately as I've read. It can as well that Sony stroke a deal and salvaged them cheaper as plans for next gen started earlier than Xbox.
Only speculation any, a more professional person would debunk or approve such thoughts.
SlimySnake
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Well, why do you think MS keeps saying that the Xbox Series X/Project Scarlett is the most powerful console THEY have ever built. they know both systems are close like EVERYONE in the industry says and this is going to go down to the wire. they will continue to increase clocks leading up to launch like they did last gen.
Bo_Hazem
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TLZ
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Because it's not an Xbox exclusive. The usual.
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Deleted member 775630
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No that came from their sources within Sony, but we'll find out soon enough.
ANIMAL1975
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No one has the real or final specs of none of the machines, no big leaks like this gen hack... and this guys would know the Bom of the actual components inside, yeh sure.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Mriverz
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Please link where the Xsx Bom is more expensive .
Gavin Stevens
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TLZ
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It's the same for both, yes. But you asked about that specific game and I answered
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