TBiddy
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I mean, if you look at the gameplay pictures, the aliasing is literally right there. I'm not sure how you can miss it.
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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I mean, if you look at the gameplay pictures, the aliasing is literally right there. I'm not sure how you can miss it.
icecold1983
Member
still images done always properly capture the effects of TAA. how can you not be aware of this? or you could, you know, just go watch the high quality version of the comparison video
with the added bonus of situations like this
TheAdmiester
Member
with the added bonus of situations like this
A glitch/oversight isnt exactly representative of baked shadows as a whole.
icecold1983
Member
the shadows often have corectness issues in forza 7 tho
TBiddy
Member
I have watched the video. The aliasing is just as obvious as in the pictures. It's not an attack on you or GTS, it's just a fact.
Pretty good comparison video here. Gts kills forza with its replays. I can't stand forza's crappy replay camera angles.
https://youtu.be/dV7sM3svMvU
https://youtu.be/dV7sM3svMvU
Are you sure?
Digital Foundry state baked shadows are one of the causes for an inflated file size. The difference between both titles is that Gran Turismo Sport is using light sourced from the sun hence the jagged edges on shadows whereas the sun in Forza Motorsport 7 isn't a light source.
Essentially it seems the sun in Gran Turismo Sport uses real-time calculations hence the dynamic shadows but, for whatever reason, they disabled real-time changes in-game but kept the effects.
JackAubrey
Member
Yup. I love the way Forza 7 looks, the weather and times of day especially. In terms of in-race visuals I think it's stella.
But the replay camera angles are absolutely awful. They manage to make the game look very poor at times.
MilkyJoe
Member
Replays being the most important part of the game and all.
Matchstick men look good with DoF
drugstore_cowboy
Member
They're not hugely important but a nice way to show off or unwind after a race.
Forza is a real letdown in that regard. Clipping, pop in, badly placed and gameplay angles and too many cuts.
Forza is a real letdown in that regard. Clipping, pop in, badly placed and gameplay angles and too many cuts.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Except GTS also wins when it comes to the most important aspect of a driving sim.
MilkyJoe
Member
If that's what you like.
TheAdmiester
Member
In your opinion.
Stillmatic
Member
Took some gameplay pics last night:
Inf3cted_b3ast
Member
Another sound comparison with the Veneno.
GTS vs DC vs FM7 vs PC2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRF4Po6qVo
I have to say Forza sounds completely off. The other three go back and forth. I thought FH3 had a good sounding Veneno.
GTS vs DC vs FM7 vs PC2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRF4Po6qVo
I have to say Forza sounds completely off. The other three go back and forth. I thought FH3 had a good sounding Veneno.
TheAdmiester
Member
The Lamborghini V12s are an odd one for Forza. I think it might be because in FH3 they were using a new granular synthesized sound system and maybe it isn't implemented in FM7? The samples are in a totally different format for the few FH3 cars that use the system.
Vroadstar
Member
Not only his "own" opinion though, generally reviews said as much and most of the peps who played the game here have the same opinion (including me). No one is surprised though you don't share the same
icecold1983
Member
the sony watermark? did you actually take those pics?
Stillmatic
Member
Yeah, previously share button screenshots watermarked "GT" on the bottom left. I guess one of the updates changed it to this.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Long time Forza players who have played GTS says it feels better, that also seems to be the general consensus of reviewers and players alike. Driving in GT feels good.
Woodchipper
Member
It really does, even as a DS4 user.
Well pretty much every PC racing sim feels better than Forza and GTS. I grew up playing the GT games but they do not compare to iRacing, Assetto Corsa, rFactor, Raceroom, Pcars 2 etc. Forza 7 has so many cars too that there is no way they were able to put the time into each one when working the physics. I think people don't always think about the trade offs when considering the amount of cars in a race sim. GTS having less cars is a good sign!
Forza and GTS do play well with a controller though and have other strengths and details as games that some of the pure sims do not have. I really hope the GTS multiplayer system works well as you really can't have competitive public racing without ratings and safety penalties.
Forza and GTS do play well with a controller though and have other strengths and details as games that some of the pure sims do not have. I really hope the GTS multiplayer system works well as you really can't have competitive public racing without ratings and safety penalties.
jellies_two
Member
I invested money into iRacing a while ago - a few years ago - and complained about the handling model on the forums and got a whole lot of hand waving about the tire model getting redone at some point. The graphics were ass as well at that time too so that was enough, I was out. Since I had a SCCA license and raced a Miata for a while, and was trying to do the same in iRacing, I felt somewhat qualified to complain.
However the GTS feel and physics model felt immediately comfortable, and the tuning mostly makes sense. That leaves space to admire the graphics and importantly learn the tracks. I've no complaints really. It really is not a dumbed down experience.
PC2 might have finally fixed their tire model but they are battling bugs. iRacing graphics are hard to look at in 2017, and as a subscription game it isn't apples to apples. Assetto Corsa have people upset at their marketing model as well.
I think GT:S is a pretty amazing combination of stunning visuals, the beginnings of some good online competition, and a good physics model too.
edit: and oh look. iRacing has STILL not got on top of its tire model issues:
https://pretendracecars.net/2017/04/05/why-i-chose-not-to-return-to-iracing/
Stillmatic
Member
More gameplay:
Stillmatic
Member
All good! Yeah on the Pro, it's using Prioritise Frame-rate mode instead of Quality.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
So as GTS adds more cars the physics will progressively get worse right?
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Apparently so!
dr guildo
Member
Took some gameplay pics last night:
Beautiful
dr guildo
Member
More gameplay:
Incredible lighting !
TBiddy
Member
Agreed. GTS looks stunning in the right conditions.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Took some gameplay pics last night:
Dynamic tessellation is still problematic. Tons of screaming edges on the white car.
GTS doesn't even have tire flex physics and the suspension physics are very weak. Plus cars have no reaction when hitting other cars.
Most sims don't really react to collision. Please post pictures of the collision differences. In terms of tire flex, i believe it does.
jellies_two
Member
The cars react too much in collisions, in terms of getting knocked off the line. No argument that GTS prefers no contact and doesn't deform panels etc, but so do real life racers (prefer not to rub paint). Ok it sucks that if you ram a car up the ass it doesn't crumple correctly - but that's sort of a luxury sim feature you would do when you run out of other things.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Driveclub was like this as well. Any game with real life car will behave like this. Forza is barely different.
It really is a stunning looking game. I'm glad it plays well with a controller as well. How bring the extra cars and tracks Polyphony.More gameplay:
1. They are not luxury vehicles
2. The crashes are awful saved for a few pieces flying off
3. show me a video of luxury vehicles wheels coming off
GT5 had bumpers coming off but decided to unify the experience. Kinda jarring to have some cars do it and others don't.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
10/10 reply wrapped up in a 5/10 thread.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p0g6oiWg4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeal56aGDag
enjoy
edit: Wow. GT5 has doors and bumpers coming off. Wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMROVP9Ik3c
Again, that's horrible physics. Nothing came off and the collision is almost exactly the same. PD did not want to treat cars differently so they opted to have the same damage model for all cars.
Edit: is that Gt in beta??? And are you still showing non luxury vehicles??
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
nothing coming off but still some heavy deformation is stil much better than the adamantium cars on GTS
More flying parts love for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leHCUH--_6Y
dat damage controll
Apex
Member
Final game:
It does have tire flex. I'm not sure where that comes, there's no proof of the contrary and is visible in other cars when you're play and in the dynamic way the tires react.
TheAdmiester
Member
The AI Mustang's reaction looks really odd here.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
No matter what that is a huge huge improvement for GT car to car interaction, I didn't play gt6 but is this the first time they really got it somewhat right?
TheAdmiester
Member
Yeah definitely an improvement. In earlier GT games you could definitely push cars but you could never apply any rotational force to them, i.e. attempting a PIT maneuver would just push them to the side instead of spinning them.