I just think it's a shame. They spend so much time to make the story engaging, yet your choices are limited to following a pattern that is contrary to it. So that part of the game was flawed for me. As far as enjoying riding into the sunset, literally, that was fun. Getting ninja'd by a grizzly, really nice.
"Just a video game" is not an argument for me personally. I probably expect too much.
I'm gonna need a mic, so I can complain about games being better in my day on my stream.
And some software to change my voice, something like Vader or "Old Man."
Pretty much. I also have enough old electronics that the GameStop extra $25 in credit for portable trade ins means I get the system free and clean out a junk drawer at the same time!
I'm gonna need a mic, so I can complain about games being better in my day on my stream.
And some software to change my voice, something like Vader or "Old Man."
If Rockstar had even a marginally competent writer on staff RDR would have been my all tie favorite game. As it was it was a pretty gargantuan disappointment, but a fun world.
If Rockstar had even a marginally competent writer on staff RDR would have been my all tie favorite game. As it was it was a pretty gargantuan disappointment, but a fun world.
"Who's this guitar-playing sonsa bitch?", is a question common asked.
On his head a bucket of chicken bones, on his face a plastic mask.
He's the bastard son of a preachin' man, on the town he left a stain.
They made him live in a chicken house to try to and hide the shame.
He was born in a coop, raised in a cage. Children fear him, critics rage.
He's half alive, he's half dead.
"Who's this guitar-playing sonsa bitch?", is a question common asked.
On his head a bucket of chicken bones, on his face a plastic mask.
He's the bastard son of a preachin' man, on the town he left a stain.
They made him live in a chicken house to try to and hide the shame.
He was born in a coop, raised in a cage. Children fear him, critics rage.
He's half alive, he's half dead.
It's a Western by the way of a mobster movie.
Marsden wants to change his ways... he wants to get out of a life with crime but he keeps get being dragged back in. Tale as old as time.
Despite his noble intent he's coherced by the law to do their dirty work for them. Thus showing that America was consistently built by immoral men exploiting undesirables for their own selfish gain.
It also relies largely on an emotional connection between Marsden and his wife and son (felial piety), motivating the player through vengeance to keep playing to see justice done.
However despite revenge motivating him throughout the games' events he ultimately acts with honor and
becomes a family man
. But his goodness, his growth, the change he made is ultimately his downfall.
See the time Marsden lives in, much like our own is self-righteous and self seeking. The women on the train at the beginning of the game sit in judgment of outlaws and their piety justifies the unethical treatment of such people which is why the US Marshalls are able to (major spoilers)
murder Marsden and his family
guilt free with the nodding approval of society.
This leaves good, blameless people like Bonnie all alone and creates a vicious cycle where generation after generation chases an foolhearty thing that kills your soul (like revenge) ala
Johns son becoming an outlaw instead of being good.
There's a lot of different ways you can look at it but they choose to imply it instead of beating you over the head with it.
It's a Western by the way of a mobster movie.
Marsden wants to change his ways... he wants to get out of a life with crime but he keeps get being dragged back in. Tale as old as time.
Despite his noble intent he's coherced by the law to do their dirty work for them. Thus showing that America was consistently built by immoral men exploiting undesirables for their own selfish gain.
It also relies largely on an emotional connection between Marsden and his wife and son (felial piety), motivating the player through vengeance to keep playing to see justice done.
However despite revenge motivating him throughout the games' events he ultimately acts with honor and
becomes a family man
. But his goodness, his growth, the change he made is ultimately his downfall.
See the time Marsden lives in, much like our own is self-righteous and self seeking. The women on the train at the beginning of the game sit in judgment of outlaws and their piety justifies the unethical treatment of such people which is why the US Marshalls are able to (major spoilers)
murder Marsden and his family
guilt free with the nodding approval of society.
This leaves good, blameless people like Bonnie all alone and creates a vicious cycle where generation after generation chases an foolhearty thing that kills your soul (like revenge) ala
Johns son becoming an outlaw instead of being good.
There's a lot of different ways you can look at it but they choose to imply it instead of beating you over the head with it.
That's great, but I can self-interpret literally any story into a master work of depth and meaning. The themes you mention are ones I could tell they wanted to touch, but they failed miserably. Possibly it's because I am a massive Western nut and I have high standards (ha, dig on you peasant) but I felt like the narrative was an abject failure.
What 'narrative' or theme are you referring to?
What did you want more developed?
I think generally their theme was "America was just as shitty then as it was today... so stop romanticizing the past" and they hit that target pretty well.
I've seen Westerns but am by no means an authority so you have me there.
What 'narrative' or theme are you referring to?
What did you want more developed?
I think generally their theme was "America was just as shitty then as it was today... so stop romanticizing the past" and they hit that target pretty well.
I've seen Westerns but am by no means an authority so you have me there.
Running now but wanted to say that they failed miserably there by making Marsden a boy scout. This is the game they decide to make a benevolent protagonist? GTA IV and RDR needed moralitys shifted. America sucked, but we had some pure white knights!
Go watch Pale Rider to see what Rockstar was trying to do done brilliantly.
Thunderstorms at dusk, best moments. That's the thing, I liked being snuck up on by a grizzly, I liked the atmosphere, but the story didn't quite live up to it (for me). Still 100%-ed it.
I was watching Total Access last night and I could not take my eyes off of it. In my head I wanted to snap that fucker back in place! It's distracting as hell. It's not so bad when he's just talking but when he puts that hand up to emote...good god.
Since we're still talking gaming - Alan Wake PC = Beautiful.
I don't know, they had no problem making Neko an abject scumbag. If Cagney could do it in Public Enemy 85 years ago, surely Rockstar could do it today. I don't buy that excuse.
Don't you think it's very different for a video game than a movie? I'm not arguing that standards have changed or anything, just that they're different for the two.
Don't you think it's very different for a video game than a movie? I'm not arguing that standards have changed or anything, just that they're different for the two.
Isn't that the guys name in GTA4? Niko/neko, what-the-fuck-ever.
I don't think it would be an issue. Look at games like Kane and Lynch or even SWTOR (I cut some dudes head off and gave it to his wife in the first few hours!) Plus, Rockstar likes to pretend they are on the cutting edge of pushing the narrative boundaries of video games. Why not actually earn that reputation for once and go all in. Can you imagine how amazing that game would have been in Marsden was Jethro Stuart instead of Will Kane?
Isn't that the guys name in GTA4? Niko/neko, what-the-fuck-ever.
I don't think it would be an issue. Look at games like Kane and Lynch or even SWTOR (I cut some dudes head off and gave it to his wife in the first few hours!) Plus, Rockstar likes to pretend they are on the cutting edge of pushing the narrative boundaries of video games. Why not actually earn that reputation for once and go all in. Can you imagine how amazing that game would have been in Marsden was Jethro Stuart instead of Will Kane?
