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[MomoPufflet]

I guess Capcom should reconsider the sequel's working title: RE6: The Jerusalem Outbreak.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Why are people trying to put this in the context of a different race?

 

[Doc Evils]

This thread is proof that most people are not prepared to have an adult conversation regarding race...
I agree the footage displayed too date is not offensive, but the overall theme and location of the game could be a powder keg if not handled properly…
It's less provocative to use a location and people who have overcome historical atrocities, but African nations are still dealing with genocide and disease epidemics so the locale may not be the best based on the current social & political climate IMO.

The game just has a great risk of being viewed as socially insensitive and could pose problems for Capcom. That's my 2 cents...

*I can see the youtube music videos now...*

But it's ok for other games?

 

[MC Safety]

If that one pissed you off, how about this one: you're a former Iraqi civilian whose entire family has been killed and you blame the United States for your loss. You join up with Al Qaeda and take your fight to American soil, murdering men, women, and children. Suddenly, you are overcome with grief and realize the errors of your ways, returning to Iraq with a new found sense of purpose: taking down Al Qaeda from within.

You're pissed because you don't understand. It isn't an analogy, per se. I'm not implying that RE5 is a similar game, in any way, shape, form, or fashion. My point is that some of you (including some of those currently promoting or working on this title) need to get a fucking clue and take others' thoughts and feelings into consideration.

No offense, but at some point an artistic statement can't be about others' thoughts and feelings.

At the end of it all, someone's going to be offended. And I'd rather you take a stand against Resident Evil with your dollars than Capcom bowdlerize and sanitize its game until no one could possibly take issue with anything in it.

 

[GhaleonQ]

I don't think I need to connect the dots for you any further. Obviously, you can't read for racism. Whether that's a good thing or not isn't for me to decide.

Have you actually read any of Conrad? If you aren't willing to extend this beyond "2 second shot of African in darkness = indictment of Africans based on darkness signifying evil since Christianity was birthed and also Joseph Conrad had Africans in Heart Of Darkness," well, we can't very well have a conversation, can we?

 

[Lostconfused]

But it's ok for other games?

Personally i am more concerned with the realistic portrayal of the locale rather than is it racist or not.

 

[Bulla564]

On one hand, if you don't watch the trailer within the context of the game, you may twitch at some white guy killing black women and men in Africa, or them not coming off as "welcoming" (WTF Croal...)

HOWEVER in the context of the game, you are fighting off infected people that want to kill you. It's not a general statement about the people from that part of the world, because we have had the same fucking game 4 times already, with the same recurring theme.

Racism is alive and well, but go bitch at something that matters, and not at a game developer's choice for the setting. I bet Croal will not bitch on behalf of the middle eastern people that will be killed by the PMC in MGS4, even though middle eastern people have been abused by western military powers throughout history.

If Capcom responds by altering or even cancelling the game, people like Croal will only help to further divide the differing opinions, because it is over such a STUPID accusation, and not over REAL racist actions being done every day.

 

[VeritasVierge]

Oh sorry thats just a reality check for those thinking these things can be compared.

I raise you

I know they are only illustrations since quality cameras weren't in abundance back then but they will just have to do. But what those people endured is not so bad in retrospect, right?

 

[Dali]

Why are people trying to put this in the context of a different race?

Because people are so desensitized to colonialism and white dominance of black people that it doesn't seem anything out of the ordinary until you put the situation in the light of another group of people who have been shat on throughout history.

... and can we stop the ' my pain and suffering >>>>>>>>>>>> your's' fight?

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

Because people are so desensitized to colonialism and white dominance of black people that it doesn't seem anything out of the ordinary until you put the situation in the light of another group of people who have been shat on throughout history.

killing zombies doesn't seem out of the ordinary when it's RE


plus, you're not killing slaves in West Virginia in the year 1770. You're killing free guys in a free territory (well, relatively)

 

[GhaleonQ]

Wtf at the tyler perry comment???

There were a couple of weird comments in this topic, but please don't group that in with them. Croal, I assume, wanted positive imagery of black people in the trailer, so I used the massive success of Tyler Perry's films (and the demographics and polls speak for themselves) as an example for Croal's positive reinforcement hopes.

 

[Flavius]

No offense, but at some point an artistic statement can't be about others' thoughts and feelings.

At the end of it all, someone's going to be offended. And I'd rather you take a stand against Resident Evil with your dollars than Capcom bowdlerizing and sanitizing its game until no one could possibly take issue with anything in it.

And I hope you don't take offense, but for someone who works in the industry, you're as bad as many of the other posters in this very thread. If you actually read the quotes and links in the OP's post, you'll see that this isn't about sanitizing the game at all. That's a question to be addressed when we actually know the content of the game in question, and not the basis for N'Gai's criticism (nor my own).

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Fuck this thread with an iron pipe. I thought he was smarter than this, but obviously I was completely wrong.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

I raise you

So RE5 is taking place in 1800s right?

 

[Lostconfused]

I know they are only illustrations since quality cameras weren't in abundance back then but they will just have to do. But what those people endured is not so bad in retrospect, right?

Are we heading into a direction of the analogy of Chris dealing in the flesh trade to make some cash on the side?

 

[phalestine]

It's 90x120.
Is that not the size?

It is, yours was 90X130

 

[harSon]

Fuck this thread with an iron pipe. I thought he was smarter than this, but obviously I was completely wrong.

You sure do hate everything regarding race

 

[Mr. Spinnington]

SO WHOSE FACE IS THAT AT THE END OF THE TRAILER, I SERIOUSLY DON'T KNOW

 

[VeritasVierge]

So RE5 is taking place in 1800s right?

The topic we were discussing is "racist imagery". Or did you jus learn to read yesterday?

You figure out how it relates to the topic.

 

[NameIess]

And I hope you don't take offense, but for someone who works in the industry, you're as bad as many of the other posters in this very thread. If you actually read the quotes and links in the OP's post, you'll see that this isn't about sanitizing the game at all. That's a question to be addressed when we actually know the content of the game in question, and not the basis for N'Gai's criticism (nor my own).

I believe a few people here understand your point, but refuse to give it any real consideration. I'm done with this thread, because nothing good will come from this thread.

 

[Mr. Spinnington]

SO WHOSE FACE IS THAT AT THE END OF THE TRAILER, I SERIOUSLY DON'T KNOW

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, I TOO WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER

 

[VeritasVierge]

Are we heading into a direction of the analogy of Chris dealing in the flesh trade to make some cash on the side?

Read above. Besides I posted those pictures for a poster who wanted to talk about "comparisons" in a thread about offensive imagery or at least imagery that can be construed wrrngly when taken out of context. Hence the RE5 trailer.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

It is, yours was 90X130

*head explodes*

 

[GhaleonQ]

I still think that Conrad Guy is totally trying to dupe me, so I want an answer.

 

[Lostconfused]

The topic we were discussing is "racist imagery". Or did you jus learn to read yesterday?

You figure out how it relates to the topic.

Read above. Besides I posted those pictures for a poster who wanted to talk about "comparisons" in a thread about offensive imagery or at least can be construed worngly when taken out of context. Hence the RE5 trailer.

Imagery implies that it might be construed as racist or there is some racist undertone beneath. Slavery and denial of basic human rights isn't really imagery.

 

[JDSN]

I raise you

I know they are only illustrations since quality cameras weren't in abundance back then but they will just have to do. But what those people endured is not so bad in retrospect, right?

Where is Chris Redfield in those pics?

 

[Flavius]

I believe a few people here understand your point, but refuse to give it any real consideration. I'm done with this thread, because nothing good will come from this thread.

Honestly, I think I'm about spent myself. Somewhere in my house, there is a sick 4-year-old wondering why daddy hasn't dropped by to read her a book quite yet.

For those of you that I disagreed with: no hard feelings I hope (even if I am a "fucking retard").

 

[Dali]

killing zombies doesn't seem out of the ordinary when it's RE


plus, you're not killing slaves in West Virginia in the year 1770. You're killing free guys in a free territory (well, relatively)

So you don't see anything offensive about the WW2-era village of Jewish zombies? The reason a Nazi soldier was originally used in the comparison is because Nazi's were specifically the cause of such pain and suffering for Jews, whereas in the case black people you don't need to get as specific. A Nazi soldier could be the equivalent of an invading colonial soldier or a slave master from the perspective of a Black person.

 

[MC Safety]

And I hope you don't take offense, but for someone who works in the industry, you're as bad as many of the other posters in this very thread. If you actually read the quotes and links in the OP's post, you'll see that this isn't about sanitizing the game at all. That's a question to be addressed when we actually know the content of the game in question, and not the basis for N'Gai's criticism (nor my own).

I was not referring to the original poster's commentary, but rather your statements.

The nature of an artistic statement is inherently personal. Which means it will inevitably come in conflict with other ideas and perspectives. The result of calls of racism and racial insensitivity in the case of Resident Evil 5 may well be bowdlerization.

If stating this simple truth makes me somehow less of a gaming age poster in your eyes, well, so be it.

 

[VeritasVierge]

Imagery implies that it might be construed as racist or there is some racist undertone beneath. Slavery and denial of basic human rights isn't really imagery.

LOL. No shit but you clearly haven't been reading most of the responses in this thread. Some of the imagery in the trailer invokes these images to some people whether it's wrong or right.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Im expecting re5 to be delayed or not released. Simply because naacp, the media, the old civil rights activist are going to eat this game alive.

 

[GhaleonQ]

Imagery implies that it might be construed as racist or there is some racist undertone beneath. Slavery and denial of basic human rights isn't really imagery.

That went out the door long ago. There was that 1 guy who posted that funny voodoo movie trailer and then the long-post guy, but then the latter one mixed up his argument. That's about it from Croal's side.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I know little avatar thingy is OT guys, but I just made it 105 pixels tall, is it ok now?

 

[phalestine]

*head explodes*

weird, it showed 90X130 on FF

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

The topic we were discussing is "racist imagery". Or did you jus learn to read yesterday?

You figure out how it relates to the topic.

I believe the original Austwich pictures were posted in regards to the suggestion that this is no better than a game taking place in that place and period. Hence you refuting the post with irrelevantly images doesn't exactly work too well.

The fact is there's nothing to associate those images to the RE5 trailer other than the fact that they both depict blacks being attacked. By this logic any art that depicts a black group of people being assaulted by any other racial group no matter the context is immoral and should be censored.

 

[VeritasVierge]

Where is Chris Redfield in those pics?

Where the fuck was Redfield in those Holocaust pictures posted a page back?

I believe the original Austwich pictures were posted in regards to the suggestion that this is no better than a game taking place in that place and period. Hence you refuting the post with irrelevantly images doesn't exactly work too well.

The fact is there's nothing to associate those images to the RE5 trailer other than the fact that they both depict blacks being attacked. By this logic any art that depicts a black group of people being assaulted by any other racial group no matter the context is immoral and should be censored.

How does it not work? He posted them to get a reaction since the pictures are proof of how terribly the Jews suffered and why the pics offend. He just refuses to accept that some of what was in the RE5 trailer will invoke such feelings in others. Someone also kept asking for "offensive" imagery from the 1920s or whatever time span it was.

 

[Bulla564]

The topic we were discussing is "racist imagery". Or did you jus learn to read yesterday?

You figure out how it relates to the topic.

I'm seeing imagery of an infected village. Nothing to do with their color or historical references.

 

[Synless]

So this thread gave me the idea of re-watching the trailer again.....damn this game is going to be epic. Please come out this year!!!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 22576]

weird, it showed 90X130 on FF

so wait, it was ok? cause the new one looks really fuzzy

ok, the new one is like 70x105
but FF shows it as 90x135!

 

[lastendconductor]

weird, it showed 90X130 on FF

In fact, it shows at 90x135 on mine.

 

[Rorschach]

so wait, it was ok? cause the new one looks really fuzzy

ok, the new one is like 70x105
but FF shows it as 90x135!

Resize your width to 90. Anything below 90 width will be scaled up along with the height.

 

[AmMortal]

Were not comparing how horrible the acts were, but that it just shouldn't be acceptable to present a game the way capcom is doing.

 

[Lostconfused]

LOL. No shit but you clearly haven't been reading most of the responses in this thread. Some of the imagery in the trailer invokes these images to some people whether it's wrong or right.

Oh i am sorry, i only remember the comment of the black guy sitting in the shadows staring menacingly at the "camera" and how its supposed to portray africans/blacks (other terms you would prefer to use) as evil dangerous or what not.

I guess i understand how people can see it like that, but also when it comes horror i think anything can appear dangerous and that the monster/villain or whatever is that is out to get the protagonist could be just around the corner.

 

[Mr. Spinnington]

; p

journalist gets panties in a knot, message board goes up in flames, who the hell is at the end of the trailer

fuck this story and everyone who cares

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Resize your width to 90. Anything below 90 width will be scaled up along with the height.

So how do i make an invisible backgound layer I can size to 90x120?

 

[Synless]

; p

journalist gets panties in a knot, message board goes up in flames, who the hell is at the end of the trailer

fuck this story and everyone who cares

Who? The hispanic looking dude? with the axe?

 

[besada]

If you can't see the harm in that word then...

What harm does a word that doesn't even derive from the same etymology have? Even Julian Bond, head of the NAACP says that people offended by this word are ridiculous. The word comes from the same etymology as niggle, which is Finnish.

This is ignorant people looking for a reason to be offended. Buy a dictionary, seriously.

Should we be not using the word bag, which is only one letter away from a racial slur used against homosexuals? How about bike? bigger? nagger?

 

[Mr. Spinnington]

Who? The hispanic looking dude? with the axe?

no some chick opens here eyes. it's the first trailer linked, at youtube

 

[ProphetZG]

Oh lord... I feared this happening someday. Politics and mental illness have invaded the otherwise happy world of videogames.

So it starts with "Black zombies in Haiti is racist." *sigh*

Soon almost every videogame will be accused of being racist, or homophobic, or anti-environment, or fascist or whatever popular catch-phrase the political hustler class are making the most money off at the moment.

 

[Flavius]

I was not referring to the original poster's commentary, but rather your statements.

The nature of an artistic statement is inherently personal. Which means it will inevitably come in conflict with other ideas and perspectives. The result of calls of racism and racial insensitivity in the case of Resident Evil 5 may well be bowdlerization.

If stating this simple truth makes me somehow less of a gaming age poster in your eyes, well, so be it.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie: I think it makes you a shitty poster.

If you haven't read the OP's post and the quotes and links contained therein, how can you possibly put my comments into context? Please direct me to some of my comments in which I am arguing against artistic expression or freedom.

And for the record, if you're the type of person that feels matters shouldn't be questioned for fear that someone else (not us, seeing as how we have no control over what Capcom ultimately does with this title prior to release) may end up editing out content, well, I think that's a pretty shitty supposition on your part as well.

Again, no offense intended.