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NHL '11 Playoffs |OT| Pierced Nipples and Penalty Boxes
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TemplaerDude
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I'm tired of waiting. Monday cannot come soon enough.
Epic Tales of Penis
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:lol I bet you Manics got hard after reading that.Solo said:
Steve Simmons:
brucewaynegretzky
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Epic Tales of Penis said:
He simultaneously trolled both teams. Impressive.
I agree...
Onion_Relish
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While I agree with the bill simmons (edit: wrong sport lolol) frame of argument, i honestly cant agree with the rationalisation. They havent gotten a consistent output from their best players, but in each series they have gotten a stand out performance from someone
vs hawks: burrows and luongo when he wasnt laying eggs
vs preds: kesler, oh god kesler was so glorious
vs sharks: the sedins made huge contributions, luongo too
vs bruins: the entire third and 4th lines.
Yes the canucks could be making life easier for themselves with more consistency, but thats why they have gotten so far. The team knows it can get contributions from anyone and that frees up players to be more natural and not force things. Thats why in game 5 you saw so much speed because the defense was playing rock solid and the 3rd and 4th were contributing so much grit. Mason Raymond had how many hits last game? 8? hes fucking tiny! goes to show you the team spirit they have
vs hawks: burrows and luongo when he wasnt laying eggs
vs preds: kesler, oh god kesler was so glorious
vs sharks: the sedins made huge contributions, luongo too
vs bruins: the entire third and 4th lines.
Yes the canucks could be making life easier for themselves with more consistency, but thats why they have gotten so far. The team knows it can get contributions from anyone and that frees up players to be more natural and not force things. Thats why in game 5 you saw so much speed because the defense was playing rock solid and the 3rd and 4th were contributing so much grit. Mason Raymond had how many hits last game? 8? hes fucking tiny! goes to show you the team spirit they have
SpectreFire
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If the Canucks win, Luongo becomes the first goalie to join the triple gold club.
If the Bruins win, Bergeron gets to be the 25th player to enter the club.
If the Bruins win, Bergeron gets to be the 25th player to enter the club.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Razorskin said:
NHL, it helps solidify Luongo getting the Conn Smythe
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Razorskin said:
I'm not saying I agree with it but I don't think Thomas will be getting conn smythe if they lose even if it's 1-0 victories like this.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Tabris said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
What the fuck are you talking about? He gave up 12 goals in 2 games. How bad of a performance are we talking about that their performance would be "on par"?
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
He's had 4 shutouts so far this playoffs. If you exclude the 4 worst games from both goaltenders, Luongo has better stats. Luongo has been really good but he's just had 4 really horrible games.
And the most important thing is which goalie can get his team that ever elusive but glorious 16.
I normally don't bother defending Luongo, but:
2010 Olympics. Luongo posts a .927 sv% and a 1.76 over 5 games in relief of Brodeur who had allowed 6 goals on 45 shots. Wins Gold medal. Various people say Canada won "in spite of Luongo", aren't willing to give him any credit.
Luongo is now having an outstanding playoffs outside of a few shellings. He's had several games where he is the reason they've won. He's helped his team to within one win of winning the Stanley Cup. Many people (very likely the same), still, refuse to give him any credit.
The massive contract, the captaincy, some spectacular meltdowns against the Hawks, and huge expectations have drawn a lot of attention to him. Those that began to root against him have dug in and scoffed at any of his accomplishments and leapt at any opportunity to trash him. Even many Canucks fans still refuse to be sold on him.
That said, he doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe if the Canucks win. I'm not arguing otherwise. Thomas was, I'd say, weaker against Tampa Bay than Luongo has been against Boston. But he's been phenomenal against the Canucks and that's ultimately more important. He's also got superior numbers overall. But really, who gives a shit about the Conn Smythe? It's an interested conversation and is great as personal hardware, but I don't think either goalie is really interested in it right now.
2010 Olympics. Luongo posts a .927 sv% and a 1.76 over 5 games in relief of Brodeur who had allowed 6 goals on 45 shots. Wins Gold medal. Various people say Canada won "in spite of Luongo", aren't willing to give him any credit.
Luongo is now having an outstanding playoffs outside of a few shellings. He's had several games where he is the reason they've won. He's helped his team to within one win of winning the Stanley Cup. Many people (very likely the same), still, refuse to give him any credit.
The massive contract, the captaincy, some spectacular meltdowns against the Hawks, and huge expectations have drawn a lot of attention to him. Those that began to root against him have dug in and scoffed at any of his accomplishments and leapt at any opportunity to trash him. Even many Canucks fans still refuse to be sold on him.
That said, he doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe if the Canucks win. I'm not arguing otherwise. Thomas was, I'd say, weaker against Tampa Bay than Luongo has been against Boston. But he's been phenomenal against the Canucks and that's ultimately more important. He's also got superior numbers overall. But really, who gives a shit about the Conn Smythe? It's an interested conversation and is great as personal hardware, but I don't think either goalie is really interested in it right now.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Tabris said:
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? How does Luongo have better stats when he's not in the top 5 for GAA or SV% while Thomas leads both. You're whole argument is centered about him having 16 wins? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLUONGO
Do you even know what the Conn Smythe is? You can't forget stats for 2 stanley cup games to win it.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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CCF23 said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THIS THREAD IS AWESOME AGAIN! Talk about drinking fucking Kool-Aid
More like canucks have 3 wins DESPITE Luongo giving up 14 goals. Lol
vatstep
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I've said that Luongo might deserve it if he plays one or two more good games, as the NHL usually seems to prefer to award it to winners, even if a player on the losing team had a better run but Thomas' stats are hard to deny.
Thomas has played every minute of every game, has never been pulled, has allowed six less goals on 91 more shots than Luongo, and has eclipsed Price's Sv% and GAA numbers after playing 16 more games.
"The Conn Smythe Trophy is an annual award given to the most valuable player for his team in the playoffs." There is absolutely no question that Thomas has been the Bruins' best player, and I don't think anyone else has been as important to their team through the entirety of the playoffs, not just the Finals.
Thomas has played every minute of every game, has never been pulled, has allowed six less goals on 91 more shots than Luongo, and has eclipsed Price's Sv% and GAA numbers after playing 16 more games.
"The Conn Smythe Trophy is an annual award given to the most valuable player for his team in the playoffs." There is absolutely no question that Thomas has been the Bruins' best player, and I don't think anyone else has been as important to their team through the entirety of the playoffs, not just the Finals.
Okay, here's another stat.
The Canucks are where they are despite being 13th in the playoffs in goals/game. The teams below them? All first round exits. The 5 teams immediately ahead of them? Either first or second round exits.
Yeah, the goalie might be the reason they're here. For the record, Boston is 6th in the playoffs in goals/game.
Check out the stat above. That's my argument and I'm sticking to it.
The Canucks are where they are despite being 13th in the playoffs in goals/game. The teams below them? All first round exits. The 5 teams immediately ahead of them? Either first or second round exits.
Yeah, the goalie might be the reason they're here. For the record, Boston is 6th in the playoffs in goals/game.
Check out the stat above. That's my argument and I'm sticking to it.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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vatstep said:
O shit, I forgot he got pulled. If a goalie who gave up 12 goals in 2 games and had to be pulled in the finals wins conn smythe then this league is without a doubt the biggest joke ever.
CCF23 said:
Lol, Tabris Jr.
The Canucks have averaged fewer goals in the playoffs than the fucking Phoenix Coyotes averaged while getting swept by Detroit...and they're in the Stanley Cup fucking Finals. In fact, they're a game away from being Cup champions.
Luongo gets heat because he's prone to melting down when things go pear shaped early, but he's been the reason the Canucks are where they are.
Luongo gets heat because he's prone to melting down when things go pear shaped early, but he's been the reason the Canucks are where they are.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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CCF23 said:
What about it? Thomas still has better stats, never been benched in the finals or gave up 12 goals the whole series let alone in 2 games. Thomas can't score goals so?
You do know what an average is right? Getting swept really doesn't effect that much.CCF23 said:
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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JWong said:He's not unbeatable. Their 3 losses from Tampa were high scoring against Thomas. I mean, look at this crap. His team up by 3 and he lets in 5?
He can break down and let in a lot. Luongo has been getting better in every conference series.
Wait so Luongo has been getting better but Thomas has been getting worse? That's your argument?
Edit: Luongo also played magnificently against the hawks, lol.
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
He's also backstopping a team that has averaged close to a full goal more per game than the team Luongo is backstopping.
I'm not saying Thomas wouldn't be a deserving winner, but laughing at the thought of Luongo getting it is fucking ignorant as shit and shows you haven't watched dick all of the Canucks run minus the finals. The Canucks have struggled to score for the entire playoffs and all Luongo has done is won the team games.
yodathesoda
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Guess that means this years award goes to the Trap.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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CCF23 said:
:lol Now I'm ignorant. :lol :lol You're a funny kid.
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Okay, how about this?
Since the lockout every single team that has won the cup has finished top 5 in goals for. The Canucks are on the verge of doing it while not even in the top 10. How is it not ignorant to say the goalie isn't a MASSIVE fucking reason why the Canucks are where they are?
...but no, you're right. RO8ERTO 7UONGO rite guys?
brucewaynegretzky
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Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Prior to 3 and 4 he was leading in almost every major category or close to it. If you consider those games as "just" losses. Then he looks amazing.
But yea... Thomas should get it.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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CCF23 said:
We're talking about goalie stats, not the sedin sisters disappearing in the playoffs. One argument at a time kid.
How is it not ignorant to say a goalie who's not even in the top 5 of GAA or SV% is better than the goalie who leads both?
brucewaynegretzky said:
Ok, Tabris we understand you can make as many games as you want not count in the finals including getting pulled. :Lol
vatstep
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Well, if you knew how to read a scoresheet, you'd see than one of those was an empty-netter! Now, a couple of those goals were soft, but no one in Boston blamed that loss on Thomas. That was purely the Bruins turning off the engines and thinking they could coast.JWong said:
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
You'd imagine the "Sedin Sisters" disappearing in the playoffs would lead to another Canucks collapse, right?
So hmmmmmmm. What are the reasons they could be where they are, Zaraki? Care to wager a guess?
Their star scorers showed up for one series, and they're in the Stanley Cup Finals a game away from winning it all. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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JWong said:
Their work ethic is the same? The fuck is this shit?
CCF23 said:
Are you capable of reading? It seems like you aren't.
JWong, I was talking about the Stanley Cup Final.
This isn't an argument for Luongo. Just to say that the SCF isn't necessarily the be and end-all for determining the CM winner.
Again, I think Thomas deserves the Conn Smythe anyway. But your obnoxious posts are fueled by bullshit.
Or maybe you can? Giguere was not great against the Devils in 2003 (let in 15 goals in their 4 losses), but still won the Conn Smythe despite being on the losing team. His performances in the other series were just so incredible.Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
This isn't an argument for Luongo. Just to say that the SCF isn't necessarily the be and end-all for determining the CM winner.
That doesn't make any sense. Look at the actual games. Luongo let in 12 goals in 2 losses where the Canucks scored 1 goal total. He's let in 2 goals in the 3 wins where the Canucks have scored 5 goals total.Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Again, I think Thomas deserves the Conn Smythe anyway. But your obnoxious posts are fueled by bullshit.
sazabirules
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It's going to be weird once there's no more hockey to watch until October. This series and the entire series have been exciting even with all the arguing and saltiness in this thread. I'll have a ton of fun watching no matter who wins.
brucewaynegretzky
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Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
The point is he is the most valuable player whenever they win. And if they do that more often than anyone else than there's a pretty solid case for him I think. Though not as good as Thomas.
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Socreges said:
Wait so you admit Thomas should win it but I'm full of shit? Huh? Did Giguere give up 12 goals and get BENCHED IN THE FINALS? Because if he didn't then the comparison doesn't seem that similar.
brucewaynegretzky said:
So you're arguing for the sake of arguing then? I don't give a shit if he was the best canuck, conn smythe goes to best player not best canuck. What are you arguing about then?
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