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[CCF23]

Are you capable of reading? It seems like you aren't.

Tell me the reason the Canucks are where they are despite being by far the lowest scoring team poised to win a cup since the lockout so I can read it.

Again, I think Thomas deserves the Conn Smythe anyway. But your obnoxious posts are fueled by bullshit.

Thank you. I can certianly understand the thought of Thomas winning the CS even in a Bruins loss. The point I'm trying to make is, when you look at the Canucks run, it is not out of order in the slightest to put Luongo in the same conversation. The Canucks are a game away from winning the cup because of Luongo. End of story.

 

[JWong]

Their work ethic is the same? The fuck is this shit?

Seems like you're in your own world.

We're done here.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Tell me the reason the Canucks are where they are despite being by far the lowest scoring team poised to win a cup since the lockout so I can read it.

No seriously learn to read, I can't spell it out any simpler for you.

Seems like you're in your own world.

We're done here.

Compelling argument, thanks.

 

[CCF23]

No seriously learn to read, I can't spell it out any simpler for you.

Alright, then humor me and quote a post where you've told me the reason the Canucks are where they are despite being the lowest scoring team by far to be in this position since the lockout. Surely you can do that for me.

You're bordering on insanity in your refusal to give Luongo any sliver of credit whatsoever. It's pretty funny at this point.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

So you're arguing for the sake of arguing then? I don't give a shit if he was the best canuck, conn smythe goes to best player not best canuck. What are you arguing about then?

Well that's not entirely true. That's what they say, but often it just goes to the best player on the winning team. The question then becomes whether Thomas has been good enough to warrant not giving it to a winning player. You could very easily argue that pathetic OT goal is a strong argument against him. I think Thomas does come out ahead in that analysis but it is much closer than you are making it seem if Thomas doesn't win the cup, especially if Luongo has something like another shutout.

 

[CCF23]

Well that's not entirely true. That's what they say, but often it just goes to the best player on the winning team. The question then becomes whether Thomas has been good enough to warrant not giving it to a winning player. You could very easily argue that pathetic OT goal is a strong argument against him. I think Thomas does come out ahead in that analysis but it is much closer than you are making it seem if Thomas doesn't win the cup, especially if Luongo has something like another shutout.

Bingo. I'm not saying Thomas doesn't deserve it. If he won it in a Bruins loss, it'd be well deserved. Just as well deserved as if Luongo got it.

All I'm trying to do is call out the bullshit that Luongo has been mediocre or bad or anything like that. He's had bad games, sure. Very bad games, but you can't argue with the fact that at the end of the day he's the biggest reason the Canucks are where they are.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Well that's not entirely true. That's what they say, but often it just goes to the best player on the winning team. The question then becomes whether Thomas has been good enough to warrant not giving it to a winning player. You could very easily argue that pathetic OT goal is a strong argument against him. I think Thomas does come out ahead in that analysis but it is much closer than you are making it seem if Thomas doesn't win the cup.

That's strictly bias by the NHL if you choose a worse player throughout the playoffs if you just want to give it to the winning team. If they want it to be that then make the trophy as such, until then it should go to the best player.

Bingo. I'm not saying Thomas doesn't deserve it. If he won it in a Bruins loss, it'd be well deserved. Just as well deserved as if Luongo got it.

Except Thomas has played better. This has only been stated a million times now.

 

[CCF23]

Except Thomas has played better. This has only been stated a million times now.

Okay, so you're not going to answer my question, or show me where you answered it. Got it. Enjoy the offseason.

 

[vatstep]

I think the Canucks fans have made a pretty good case for Luongo. I don't mean to downplay his significance at all. But really, we can't do anything else but speculate at this point, over something that's ultimately not that important. All we can do is assume that the winner will be a goaltender, and if not, it's some bullshit.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

That's strictly bias by the NHL if you choose a worse player throughout the playoffs if you just want to give it to the winning team. If they want it to be that then make the trophy as such, until then it should go to the best player.

You can ignore reality all you want. I'm trying to predict who will win the Conn Smythe. You are trying to predict who will win some mythical trophy that exists somewhere in fantasyland.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

You can ignore reality all you want. I'm trying to predict who will win the Conn Smythe. You are trying to predict who will win some mythical trophy that exists somewhere in fantasyland.

Huh? It's a mythical trophy if thomas wins? Wow....

Okay, so you're not going to answer my question, or show me where you answered it. Got it. Enjoy the offseason.

I've already answered your question if you could read. :lol

 

[Socreges]

CCF23 is actually making a pretty decent argument for Luongo. He's lost big a few times, but he's saved a number of games for the Canucks and hasn't had a great deal of offensive support throughout the playoffs.

Wait so you admit Thomas should win it but I'm full of shit? Huh? Did Giguere give up 12 goals and get BENCHED IN THE FINALS? Because if he didn't then the comparison doesn't seem that similar.

Well, Giguere gave up 6 goals in one game. He wasn't benched, but maybe he should have been? Luongo got benched when he gave up 4 goals (and none were really his fault). I don't see the point in painting things in black and white, as you've been doing.

The "bullshit" btw was more about your "More like canucks have 3 wins DESPITE Luongo giving up 14 goals." -- which, again, doesn't make any sense.

That's strictly bias by the NHL if you choose a worse player throughout the playoffs if you just want to give it to the winning team. If they want it to be that then make the trophy as such, until then it should go to the best player.

Except Thomas has played better. This has only been stated a million times now.

I really don't think you're aware of the history of the Conn Smythe trophy.

 

[CCF23]

I think the Canucks fans have made a pretty good case for Luongo. I don't mean to downplay his significance at all. But really, we can't do anything else but speculate at this point, over something that's ultimately not that important. All we can do is assume that the winner will be a goaltender, and if not, it's some bullshit.

Thanks. That's all I'm looking for, and I agree with you 100%. It just pisses me off so fucking much the hate Luongo gets. I mean, sure, a lot of the time he deserves it, but he never EVER seems to get the credit when he deserves it either. As an admitted Luongo supporter, I want him to be recognized when he's fucking leading his team to a Cup. Sure, call him out for his bad games. Sure, he's prone to breaking down, but throughout this run he's proven time and time again he's as mentally tough as they come. All he's done after a bad game or two is bounce back with a string of games where he has on most nights been the reason the Canucks have won.

It's ridiculous I still see him called mentally weak, fragile, etc. when he's had MULTIPLE chances to just pack it in and completely collapse this post season and every time he's picked himself back up and been there for his team.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Huh? It's a mythical trophy if thomas wins? Wow....

Reading comprehension.... Great thing. I'm saying that, right now at least, there is probably a 60-40 chance Thomas wins it if the Nucks win on Monday night. If Luongo gets a shutout it probably flips the other way. They mythical nature of your trophy is that it always goes to the absolute best player in the playoffs.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

CCF23 is actually making a pretty decent argument for Luongo. He's lost big a few times, but he's saved a number of games for the Canucks and hasn't had a great deal of offensive support throughout the playoffs.

Well, Giguere gave up 6 goals in one game. He wasn't benched, but maybe he should have been? Luongo got benched when he gave up 4 goals (and none were really his fault). I don't see the point in painting things in black and white, as you've been doing.

The "bullshit" btw was more about your "More like canucks have 3 wins DESPITE Luongo giving up 14 goals." -- which, again, doesn't make any sense.

I really don't think you're aware of the history of the Conn Smythe trophy throughout history.

Yes, I realize it usually goes to the winning team but Thomas has been exceptional this season and deserves to win it with his stats. The "bullshit" was in joking response to the other guy's "bullshit".

Reading comprehension.... Great thing. I'm saying that, right now at least, there is probably a 60-40 chance Thomas wins it if the Nucks win on Monday night. If Luongo gets a shutout it probably flips the other way. They mythical nature of your trophy is that it always goes to the absolute best player in the playoffs.

Unless Thomas shits the bed I can't see Luongo getting the nod for the trophy. If it's another 1-0 victory for the nucks to finish it out Thomas has still been better.

Thanks. That's all I'm looking for, and I agree with you 100%. It just pisses me off so fucking much the hate Luongo gets. I mean, sure, a lot of the time he deserves it, but he never EVER seems to get the credit when he deserves it either. As an admitted Luongo supporter, I want him to be recognized when he's fucking leading his team to a Cup. Sure, call him out for his bad games. Sure, he's prone to breaking down, but throughout this run he's proven time and time again he's as mentally tough as they come. All he's done after a bad game or two is bounce back with a string of games where he has on most nights been the reason the Canucks have won.

It's ridiculous I still see him called mentally weak, fragile, etc. when he's had MULTIPLE chances to just pack it in and completely collapse this post season and every time he's picked himself back up and been there for his team.

You're anger is with imaginary people. No one here has said Luongo has been the worst goalie of the playoffs, we've said that Thomas has played better.

 

[NetMapel]

Why are we arguing about Conn Smythe when Canucks really should only care about THE CUP ?

 

[CCF23]

CCF23 is actually making a pretty decent argument for Luongo. He's lost big a few times, but he's saved a number of games for the Canucks and hasn't had a great deal of offensive support throughout the playoffs.

Here's another stat:

In games where series have been tied, or the Canucks have been facing elimination in this playoffs Luongo is 6-0 surrendering 4 goals total with 4 shutouts.

The Canucks have not trailed in a series this post season. WONDER WHY? When the Canucks have faced going down in a series, or being knocked out in round 1 he's been retarded good.

...but no...RO8ERTO 7UONGO.

You're anger is with imaginary people. No one here has said Luongo has been the worst goalie of the playoffs, we've said that Thomas has played better.

You laughed at the thought of Luongo winning it.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Here's another stat:

In games where series have been tied, or the Canucks have been facing elimination in this playoffs Luongo is 6-0 surrendering 4 goals total with 4 shutouts.

The Canucks have not trailed in a series this post season. WONDER WHY? When the Canucks have faced going down in a series, or being knocked out in round 1 he's been retarded good.

...but no...RO8ERTO 7UONGO.

I don't know I'd call his play retarded good when Canucks went from almost sweeping to potentially losing the series in game 7...

 

[CCF23]

I don't know I'd call his play retarded good when Canucks went from almost sweeping to potentially losing the series in game 7...

Are you capable of reading? It seems like you aren't.

When the Canucks have faced going down in a series, or being knocked out in round 1 he's been retarded good.

I even provide quotes when I say that to you . Quotes that I asked you for when you said it to me.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Are you capable of reading? It seems like you aren't.

Ok, not sure why you'd only focus on game 7 in that series.

Here's another stat:

In games where series have been tied, or the Canucks have been facing elimination in this playoffs Luongo is 6-0 surrendering 4 goals total with 4 shutouts.

The Canucks have not trailed in a series this post season. WONDER WHY? When the Canucks have faced going down in a series, or being knocked out in round 1 he's been retarded good.

...but no...RO8ERTO 7UONGO.



You laughed at the thought of Luongo winning it.

I laughed because at this point Thomas has been the better goalie and unless he has collapse as bad if not worse than Luongo I don't see how he becomes better than Thomas.

 

[CCF23]

Ok, not sure why you'd only focus on game 7 in that series.

Probably because it was the game where if the Canucks lost they wouldn't be one game away from winning the Stanley Cup. Yeah. I'll go with that.

Anyway, it's getting to the point where it's a pissing match. I think I've stated my case pretty well. I'll step away now.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Probably because it was the game where if the Canucks lost they wouldn't be one game away from winning the Stanley Cup. Yeah. I'll go with that.

Anyway, it's getting to the point where it's a pissing match. I think I've stated my case pretty well. I'll step away now.

But it looks over the bad playing that lead to the game 7 by the canucks. Again, you can't forget games in series to prove he's better than Thomas, it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Socreges]

Yes, I realize it usually goes to the winning team but Thomas has been exceptional this season and deserves to win it with his stats. The "bullshit" was in joking response to the other guy's "bullshit".

Brilliant.

Anyway, I can see where both CCF23 and you are coming from. An argument can be made for both goalies right now, despite Thomas being better overall. That said, I don't understand why you've been so God-damned stubborn and obnoxious.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Brilliant.

Anyway, I can see where both CCF23 and you are coming from. An argument can be made for both goalies right now, despite Thomas being better overall. That said, I don't understand why you've been so God-damned stubborn and obnoxious.

Because canucks fans trying to downplay Thomas's performance by saying they played weaker scoring teams and other nonsense is laughable. The 1 goal games, except the two blowouts, show that it's been a battle of goalies in those games obviously.

 

[Slurmer]

RO8ERTO 7UONGO.

Still makes me laugh

 

[CCF23]

To be fair, I might've come on a bit strong in the beginning saying Luongo should win it if the Canucks win. I think if the Canucks win, either goalie would be deserving of it and certianly wouldn't begrudge Thomas taking it. It was only when Zaraki said "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THIS THREAD IS AWESOME AGAIN! Talk about drinking fucking Kool-Aid" that my Luongo supporter hackles got up and I went into full Luongo defense mode.

They're both deserving. If Boston won in 7 the trophy would undoubtedly go to Thomas, and he'd deserve it. If the Canucks win, both would be deserving. Overall stats for Thomas are better, but at the end of the day he's getting more goal support from his team and he's losing the series. Wins are the most important stat of all, and I think that's the one thing Zaraki is forgetting.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Because canucks fans trying to downplay Thomas's performance by saying they played weaker scoring teams and other nonsense is laughable. The 1 goal games, except the two blowouts, show that it's been a battle of goalies in those games obviously.

Who said that? Philly and Tampa were two teams very capable of scoring tons of goals... and well Montreal is like their Kryptonite.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

To be fair, I might've come on a bit strong in the beginning saying Luongo should win it if the Canucks win. I think if the Canucks win, either goalie would be deserving of it and certianly wouldn't begrudge Thomas taking it. It was only when Zaraki said "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THIS THREAD IS AWESOME AGAIN! Talk about drinking fucking Kool-Aid" that my Luongo supporter hackles got up and I went into full Luongo defense mode.

They're both deserving. If Boston won in 7 the trophy would undoubtedly go to Thomas, and he'd deserve it. If the Canucks win, both would be deserving. Overall stats for Thomas are better, but at the end of the day he's getting more goal support from his team and he's losing the series. Wins are the most important stat of all, and I think that's the one thing Zaraki is forgetting.

The shotouts by Luongo kind of saying differently about him getting goal support :lol If they score ONCE on the powerplay I'd agree more about goal support. Average doesn't mean much when neither team has produced much and it's been 1 goal games that canucks have won.

 

[Razorskin]

I'm going to go piss on Roberto Luongo arena if he gets the Conn Smythe.

 

[CCF23]

The shotouts by Luongo kind of saying differently about him getting goal support :lol If they score ONCE on the powerplay I'd agree more about goal support. Average doesn't mean much when neither team has produced much and it's been 1 goal games that canucks have won.

Wait, now I have to bite.

The 4 and 8 goal games mean nothing when talking about goal support for the teams, and only mean something when we're talking about how much Roberto Luongo doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe?

Interesting how you can toss out those games far easier when they suit your argument.

The goals in the series are 14-6 for the Bruins, so yeah, Thomas has had more goal support.

Also, Boston has scored on the power play.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Wait, now I have to bite.

The 4 and 8 goal games mean nothing when talking about goal support for the teams, and only mean something when we're talking about how much Roberto Luongo doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe?

Interesting how you can toss out those games far easier when they suit your argument.

The goals in the series are 14-6 for the Bruins, so yeah, Thomas has had more goal support.

Also, Boston has scored on the power play.

Umm, ok. If you say so.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Umm, ok. If you say so.

I'm pretty sure most of what he just said were actual statistical facts.... I mean you could disagree with his characterization of some of it. But this just makes no sense.

 

[CCF23]

Here, I'll make it even easier. In the games Thomas has won he's had an incredible margin for error. He's been fantastic, but hasn't needed to be in the games the Bruins have won. They could have had Andrew Raycroft in net for games 3 and 4 and still won.

Luongo has had ZERO margin for error in the games he's won. They've each been 1 goal games with two of them being games in which he only got one goal. He's had to be flawless in his wins, and has been.

That echoes the point about wins being the most important stat of all.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Here, I'll make it even easier. In the games Thomas has won he's had an incredible margin for error. He's been fantastic, but hasn't needed to be in the games the Bruins have won. They could have had Andrew Raycroft in net for games 3 and 4 and still won.

Luongo has had ZERO margin for error in the games he's won. They've each been 1 goal games with two of them being games in which he only got one goal. He's had to be flawless in his wins, and has been.

That echoes the point about wins being the most important stat of all.

Umm, ok. If you say so.

Socreges this is what I find laughable where you mess with stats to try and prove a point.

 

[CCF23]

Flawless victory!

Socreges this is what I find laughable where you mess with stats to try and prove a point.

Wait. How did I "mess" with the stats?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Flawless victory!

No, I'm just too busy watching a movie to continue to argue over your delusional stats.

Flawless victory!



Wait. How did I "mess" with the stats?

Thomas wins mean less because Luongo shit the bed worse in those games? If you can't see how those stats are completely bias then I can't help you.

 

[CCF23]

No, I'm just too busy watching a movie to continue to argue over your delusional stats.

Pretty sure you're the only one here blowing your own horn while I even have some of the B's fanbase telling me my arguments make sense.

BRING ON GAME 6. MY BODY IS READY.

I also love playoffs. I love NHL-gaf. So glad my account got approved before this run ended.

 

[Socreges]

Socreges this is what I find laughable where you mess with stats to try and prove a point.

No, I'm just too busy watching a movie to continue to argue over your delusional stats.

How many times have you replied to CCF23 during this argument? And how many times, of those many times, have you actually addressed his argument and not just resorted to "LOLOLOL", "Tabris jr", "Umm ok if you say so" and -at best- various straw man arguments that have nothing to do with what's being said? Please feel free to reply to this post with something equally as pointless.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

How many times have you replied to CCF23 during this argument? And how many times, of those many times, have you actually addressed his argument and not just resorted to "LOLOLOL", "Tabris jr", "Umm ok if you say so" and -at best- various straw man arguments that have nothing to do with what's being said? Please feel free to reply to this post with something equally as pointless.

Oh, please you're going out of your way to be dense again. Praising Luongo because games he won had a smaller margin of error is laughable. Thomas' shutout doesn't count for less because Luongo shit the beds so much worse those games. I doubt you can't see why those stats are misleading.

 

[CCF23]

Oh, please you're going out of your way to be dense again. Praising Luongo because games he won had a smaller margin of error is laughable. Thomas' shutout doesn't count for less because Luongo shit the beds so much worse those games. I doubt you can't see why those stats are misleading.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Oh, please you're going out of your way to be dense again. Praising Luongo because games he won had a smaller margin of error is laughable. Thomas' shutout doesn't count for less because Luongo shit the beds so much worse those games. I doubt you can't see why those stats are misleading.

Luongo has more shutouts throughout the playoffs... If he were to get another it would mean he got almost a third of the wins required for the cup with shutouts.

 

[Sanjuro]

Claude deserves the Conn Smythe.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Claude deserves the Conn Smythe.

Winner.

 

[CCF23]

Claude deserves the Conn Smythe.

This I can get behind.

 

[Socreges]

Oh, please you're going out of your way to be dense again. Praising Luongo because games he won had a smaller margin of error is laughable. Thomas' shutout doesn't count for less because Luongo shit the beds so much worse those games. I doubt you can't see why those stats are misleading.

Nah, was just pointing to your general behaviour in this thread. Totally reasonable arguments, agreed on by people cheering both for/against the Canucks, are completely ignored by you. It's as if you can't think of anything to say, yet hope that bystanders will see your childish mocking and hold you more favourably. Really, it's just between you and CCF23.

Hopefully the Canucks can just eviscerate Thomas 10-0 at home tomorrow and put any debate to rest. Also, winning the Cup would be an OK sidebar.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Nah, was just pointing to your general behaviour in this thread. Totally reasonable arguments, agreed on by people cheering both for/against the Canucks, are completely ignored by you. It's as if you can't think of anything to say, yet hope that bystanders will see your childish mocking and hold you more favourably. Really, it's just between you and CCF23.

Hopefully the Canucks can just eviscerate Thomas 10-0 at home tomorrow and put any debate to rest. Also, winning the Cup would be an OK sidebar.

:lol You're a shining beacon to use all.

 

[Socreges]

Follow me into the light.

 

[CCF23]

 

[Razorskin]

 

[vatstep]

Why did you guys just post the same exact picture twice?