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Like I said, I do shave but in winter I don't do it as much and he's never commented on it. Hence "he doesn't give a crap"

I don't comment on it to my wife either, but I definitely notice and appreciate it.

Maybe your husband really just doesn't care, but as a man, I can say that there are many little things that I appreciate when my wife does it, but I don't call her out on it and demand.
 
I don't comment on it to my wife either, but I definitely notice and appreciate it.

Maybe your husband really just doesn't care, but as a man, I can say that there are many little things that I appreciate when my wife does it, but I don't call her out on it and demand.

My guy isn't really like that. He's pretty vocal about things that he likes, he never forces me to do the things he wants but he does let me know what he likes best on me or what he prefers.

He probably doesn't mind because my leg hair is very fine, sparse and light in colour.
 
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lmao I think I know this guy.
 
show me on the fedora where the thread touched you

have no problem laughing at losers. i guess i just find it lame that people in the thread can have no problem doing so, but act offended when someone says they think a girl should shave her legs. like it's cool to mock people, but if you cross arbitrary politically correct lines, it's not cool.
 
pretty much, but hey, we get a topic where we can emasculate and humiliate men in a way that would be deemed hateful if directed towards women.

Please explain how there would EVER be a thread about women on okcupid bitching about guys friend zoning them.
 
have no problem laughing at losers. i guess i just find it lame that people in the thread can have no problem doing so, but act offended when someone says they think a girl should shave her legs. like it's cool to mock people, but if you cross arbitrary politically correct lines, it's not cool.

What if they'd giggle at a girl with hairy legs but don't think she should be obligated to shave if she just really doesn't want to?
 
You know how I met my wife? By talking to her. No bullshit, no becoming friends and listening to her, none of these tactics or whatever. I approached her, talked to her, asked her out. What's the worse going to happen, getting rejected? Fuck sakes, get over it and stop being a little bitch. This passive-aggressive crap is just weird.

And so are those fedora hats. Each one of them needs an ass kicking. Bad. :/
 
You know how I met my wife? By talking to her. No bullshit, no becoming friends and listening to her, none of these tactics or whatever. I approached her, talked to her, asked her out. What's the worse going to happen, getting rejected? Fuck sakes, get over it and stop being a little bitch. This passive-aggressive crap is just weird.

And so are those fedora hats. Each one of them needs an ass kicking. Bad. :/

the thought of rejection is worse than rejection itself. just like the thought of most things are worse than the actual thing. everyone knows that. it still doesn't make it any easier to do the first time, however. i had an irrational fear of roller coasters and didn't get over it until i went on one earlier this year. its a lot easier to do after the first time you get a real rejection. and it is important to ask yourself what you have to lose when asking a girl out, especially if you don't know her too well. you'll probably never see her again
 
What if they'd giggle at a girl with hairy legs but don't think she should be obligated to shave if she just really doesn't want to?

i'm not sure what you're driving at. that'd be both parties perogative. i don't think it would be a serious problem.

omnovis said:
Please explain how there would EVER be a thread about women on okcupid bitching about guys friend zoning them.

well yeah, the burden of approach is largely placed on men in society.

so while it wouldn't be about getting friend-zoned, you could easily make a thread mocking fat/ugly females with poor social strategies.
 
Let me put this as simply as I can. There's plenty of women... and I mean PLENTY, that would have no qualms what so ever with telling their man that he should shave / not shave because it's sexier to them. But guys are wrong for taking a stand? Give me a break with the double standards
 
the thought of rejection is worse than rejection itself. just like the thought of most things are worse than the actual thing. everyone knows that. it still doesn't make it any easier to do the first time, however. i had an irrational fear of roller coasters and didn't get over it until i went on one earlier this year. its a lot easier to do after the first time you get a real rejection. and it is important to ask yourself what you have to lose when asking a girl out, especially if you don't know her too well. you'll probably never see her again

This is true man, and I feel ya. At some point though you would think you would ask yourself, "What the fuck am I doing?". Is being rejected as bad as you think it be? As part of becoming more mature, you would answer that question directly by confronting it.

I guess that's how I've seen it. And I've got some friends that, to this day, have yet to figure it out. You just can't let fear overcome you.

Let me put this as simply as I can. There's plenty of women... and I mean PLENTY, that would have no qualms what so ever with telling their man that he should shave / not shave because it's sexier to them. But guys are wrong for taking a stand? Give me a break with the double standards

I agree there, it is a double standard. My wife expects me to shave, and I'm willing to accept that. But she better shave her legs too and she knows as well as I do I have no issue in confronting that lol :P
 
This is true man, and I feel ya. At some point though you would think you would ask yourself, "What the fuck am I doing?". Is being rejected as bad as you think it be? As part of becoming more mature, you would answer that question directly by confronting it.

I guess that's how I've seen it. And I've got some friends that, to this day, have yet to figure it out. You just can't let fear overcome you.

sometimes you need a good friend to help you out though. i know i never would have rode a roller coaster if one of my best friends hadn't helped me through the ordeal
 
Let me put this as simply as I can. There's plenty of women... and I mean PLENTY, that would have no qualms what so ever with telling their man that he should shave / not shave because it's sexier to them. But guys are wrong for taking a stand? Give me a break with the double standards

yeah

and in popular media, it's like a cute/funny thing when a woman demands her man dress a certain way too.

"You are not wearing that outside the house!!!"

(audience laughs)

but there's probably something about rape cultrue that we're missing here that would make us totally wrong.
 
Let me put this as simply as I can. There's plenty of women... and I mean PLENTY, that would have no qualms what so ever with telling their man that he should shave / not shave because it's sexier to them. But guys are wrong for taking a stand? Give me a break with the double standards

see you can prefer a woman do something a certain way or even talk to her about it. but you shouldn't expect her to always have her legs freshly shaved, just like she won't expect you to always have perfect facial hair. its one thing to talk to your woman about it but another to say that you expect a woman to satisfy her man and always have no leg hair

BobbyRobby: well that is because it is a sitcom. it is stereotyping the notion that middle aged men have poor taste in fashion and their ladies are telling them what they are wearing probably isn't a good idea. you also see it that the man completely disregards what she says about not wearing and will do it anyway. you never see women in public with unshaved legs because it has already been drilled into their heads that for whatever reason it is unacceptable
 
BobbyRobby: well that is because it is a sitcom. it is stereotyping the notion that middle aged men have poor taste in fashion and their ladies are telling them what they are wearing probably isn't a good idea. you also see it that the man completely disregards what she says about not wearing and will do it anyway. you never see women in public with unshaved legs because it has already been drilled into their heads that for whatever reason it is unacceptable

that doesn't seem so different from the people in this thread mocking a dude for weairng a fedora, drilling it into our heads that for whatever reason it is unacceptable. I very rarely see a dude in public wearing a fedora either. why should women who don't shave receive special protection?

i don't personally care if a woman shaves her legs or not. it is her perogative. I will just be less attracted to her. should I be lying and say I don't mind it?
 
For the shaving is a nightmare part: I am seriously allergic to metal. Shaving makes my legs break out, sometimes bad enough to leave scars. Depending on the razor I use, it's either a huge reaction or a small one.

So yeah, I'll shave my legs when I am going to be exposing them. Expecting me to shave them everyday on the off chance you might see them? Hell no.

That sucks :( With me it is just very sensitive skin. I get cut super easily, so no matter what kind of razor I use I end up bleeding pretty badly.

I think the particular problem is in the wording.

If I were asked, "Do I prefer that a woman shave her legs?" My answer would be yes. I also hope she cuts her hair in a way I happen to personally like and reads articles on topics that are of interest to me, but if she doesn't that's her choice and it's fine. My girlfriend probably hopes I do favors for her too (And I do!)

If I were instead asked, "Do I believe a woman has an obligation to shave her legs?" My answer would be no. I also don't think she's obliged to get her hair cut as I see fit.

The wording matters here, I feel. I think a lot of girls actually like it when you recommend/ask them to cut their hair in a specific way, because it suggests 1) you're paying attention and 2) you really like the way she looks. I mean, she may not cut it the way you want anyway, but I doubt most girlfriends would be upset that you have a favorite haircuts of hers and you'd love it if she did it that way again.

But if you demanded the haircut? That's a very different thing that people -- both men and women -- rarely respond positively to. It suggests you have the right to make their decisions for them. People like input, not orders, and suggesting a woman has an "obligation" to shave her legs sounds much more like the latter than the former.

Lkr said:
see you can prefer a woman do something a certain way or even talk to her about it. but you shouldn't expect her to always have her legs freshly shaved, just like she won't expect you to always have perfect facial hair. its one thing to talk to your woman about it but another to say that you expect a woman to satisfy her man and always have no leg hair

BobbyRobby: well that is because it is a sitcom. it is stereotyping the notion that middle aged men have poor taste in fashion and their ladies are telling them what they are wearing probably isn't a good idea. you also see it that the man completely disregards what she says about not wearing and will do it anyway. you never see women in public with unshaved legs because it has already been drilled into their heads that for whatever reason it is unacceptable

Good posts. I think an awful lot of people in here are not seeing the difference between giving a suggestion and telling someone they have an obligation to do something.

As for the last point about never seeing women in public without shaved legs, that is why men shaving their face is not a comparable situation. There really isn't a societal pressure for men to shave (trim their facial hair perhaps, but trimming is quite different than actually running blades against your skin, and even then, it is not really viewed to be nearly as pertinent), and as such there is plenty of leeway for them. There isn't for women.

BobbyRobby said:
that doesn't seem so different from the people in this thread mocking a dude for weairng a fedora, drilling it into our heads that for whatever reason it is unacceptable. I very rarely see a dude in public wearing a fedora either. why should women who don't shave receive special protection?

Women, being human beings, inherently have body hair. No one inherently comes with a fedora on their head. Not to mention that one requires shaving large areas of the body, while the other requires simply not putting something on your head.

As far as mocking these guys, as I said before I am not fond of public shaming, but at some point they do need to learn that their entitled attitudes are shitty.
 
well yeah, the burden of approach is largely placed on men in society.

so while it wouldn't be about getting friend-zoned, you could easily make a thread mocking fat/ugly females with poor social strategies.

So wait, if the burden of approach was placed on women instead, these "fat/ugly [males] with poor social strategies" would get asked out left and right? If anything they might be approached by 4/10 would not bangs. It's the TV syndrome of every Joe thinking they deserve to be with a supermodel.

This "man's burden" of needing to be the initiators is not the cause of social outcasts being without the intimacy they crave.

Why don't more people wax hairs?

Baby steps.
 
Women, being human beings, inherently have body hair. No one inherently comes with a fedora on their head. Not to mention that one requires shaving large areas of the body, while the other requires simply not putting something on your head.

As far as mocking these guys, as I said before I am not fond of public shaming, but at some point they do need to learn that their entitled attitudes are shitty.

well, people have to wear clothes in public, and the there's still tons of shaming going on in regards to fashion. the point stands. why should a guy feel ashamed if he chooses to wear a grey undershirt with a suit?

both sexes jump through hoops in order to fit an image of what is attractive to the opposite sex.

no one is forcing anyone to shave their legs against their will, nor has anyone advocated that. the nice dudes of okcupid have just said they feel a women is obliged to do so. and when they say 'obliged', they mean for the purpose of fitting their opinion for what it is attractive to them.

i'm all for honesty. if you think a fedora looks really lame you should say so, but by the same token, you shouldn't get upset when someone says they prefer a woman shaves her legs.
 
well, people have to wear clothes in public, and the there's still tons of shaming going on in regards to fashion. the point stands. why should a guy feel ashamed if he chooses to wear a grey undershirt with a suit?

both sexes jump through hoops in order to fit an image of what is attractive to the opposite sex.

Since when is pointing out fashion faux pas a witchhunt...
 
So wait, if the burden of approach was placed on women instead, these "fat/ugly [males] with poor social strategies" would get asked out left and right? If anything they might be approached by 4/10 would not bangs. It's the TV syndrome of every Joe thinking they deserve to be with a supermodel.

This "man's burden" of needing to be the initiators is not the cause of social outcasts being without the intimacy they crave..

i think uncool/fat/ugly females get approached at a rate far higher than uncool/fat/ugly males.

they are failing at a goal society has set for them. i think it factors into feeling like a loser and outcast.

omnomis said:
Since when is pointing out fashion faux pas a witchhunt...

i don't have a problem with it. it just seems hypocritical to be okay with making fun of a dude's fashion sense, but upset when the tables are turned, and a girl is labeled as undesireable for not shaving.
 

This one seems pretty unfair. The obvious implication is that if you cannot remember every sexual liaison's name you must either be having endless anonymous sex or getting so trashed that you'll fuck even strangers.

But this guy is older, and when you get older your memory fades. There have been times I cannot remember the name of the girl I lost my virginity to......let alone the name of a couple random hookups from college. Strangely enough, I can remember the e-mail address of the girl I lost my virginity to instantly, but even now her first name is kinda hazy.
 
One of them on there seems to be lambasting a guy for not agreeing with abortion. Personally I'm in favour of abortion - in fact, since I dislike babies so much, I'd actively encourage it - but I don't think people that are against abortion are bad people (unlike racists, homophobes etc) because they tend to be against abortion because they believe that life begins are conception. I know atheists who believe that, and if that is your view, then abortion IS murder to that person. I have nothing against those that are against abortion, I just disagree with them. Quite why that's worthy of quoting at the bottom of an niceguysofokc picture, I don't know.
 
This one seems pretty unfair. The obvious implication is that if you cannot remember every sexual liaison's name you must either be having endless anonymous sex or getting so trashed that you'll fuck even strangers.

But this guy is older, and when you get older your memory fades. There have been times I cannot remember the name of the girl I lost my virginity to......let alone the name of a couple random hookups from college. Strangely enough, I can remember the e-mail address of the girl I lost my virginity to instantly, but even now her first name is kinda hazy.

You're overthinking it, he can't remember the names of all the people he's had sex with cause he's never had sex.
 
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I don't think people that are against abortion are bad people (unlike racists, homophobes etc) because they tend to be against abortion because they believe that life begins are conception. I know atheists who believe that, and if that is your view, then abortion IS murder to that person. I have nothing against those that are against abortion, I just disagree with them. Quite why that's worthy of quoting at the bottom of an niceguysofokc picture, I don't know.

It entirely depends on what you mean by "against abortion". You can be "against smoking" by discouraging other people to smoke or to quit smoking, or you can be "against smoking" by demanding that all cigarettes and cigars be outlawed.

If it's a case of having your own morals and respectfully disagreeing with others, it's not really a character flaw. If it's a case of wanting to forcefully impose your own morals on everyone else in the country, then I can see why people would see it as a serious problem with your character.
 
It entirely depends on what you mean by "against abortion". You can be "against smoking" by discouraging other people to smoke or to quit smoking, or you can be "against smoking" by demanding that all cigarettes and cigars be outlawed.

If it's a case of having your own morals and respectfully disagreeing with others, it's not really a character flaw. If it's a case of wanting to forcefully impose your own morals on everyone else in the country, then I can see why people would see it as a serious problem with your character.
I agree entirely, but that level of nuance is not available as an answer to the question given. Taken at its face value, there is no reason to think he's a horrible person.
 
the thought of rejection is worse than rejection itself. just like the thought of most things are worse than the actual thing. everyone knows that. it still doesn't make it any easier to do the first time, however. i had an irrational fear of roller coasters and didn't get over it until i went on one earlier this year. its a lot easier to do after the first time you get a real rejection. and it is important to ask yourself what you have to lose when asking a girl out, especially if you don't know her too well. you'll probably never see her again
Got rejected about 10 timed yesterday alone haha. It just became a way of filtering girls for me.
 
what are the circumstances in which a person is obligated to have sex with you?

feel like the venn diagram of niceguysofokc & neogaf users is probably just one big circle

If so, then the fact that you post this on GAF suggest you should know the answer to your own question ;)
 
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