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Nintendo 3DS Is a Last-Gen Game Machine - Wired/Game Life Opinion

marc^o^ said:
I found another good one :)

5 Reasons Why Nintendo Lacks Depth – The 3DS
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2011/01/5-reasons-why-nintendo-lacks-depth-the-3ds.html#ixzz1BzDkIy5i

"The company is doomed to failure for five very important reasons:
1. Nobody wants 3D
2. Software: It’s serious business.
3. Battery woes
4. Sharing is…overrated?
5. Too little, too late

Join us in the new decade Nintendo. Oh and Sega called. They wanted to wish you luck"
Wow. They're really coming out of the woodwork.
 
It's so refreshing to know that Nintendo is still doomed.

At this point I might as well make the rest of my change into a joke character and ask a mod to change my username to 'Grampa Simpson' or 'Abraham Simpson'.
 
marc^o^ said:
I found another good one :)

5 Reasons Why Nintendo Lacks Depth – The 3DS
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2011/01/5-reasons-why-nintendo-lacks-depth-the-3ds.html#ixzz1BzDkIy5i

"The company is doomed to failure for five very important reasons:
1. Nobody wants 3D
2. Software: It’s serious business.
3. Battery woes
4. Sharing is…overrated?
5. Too little, too late

Join us in the new decade Nintendo. Oh and Sega called. They wanted to wish you luck"
Another one?
Jesus

"Apps on phones and media players are becoming ridiculously complex. I can learn a language, store all of Wikipedia, check the weather and do thousands of other things through apps on my iPod Touch. And what is Nintendo offering? Mii Maker and Face Raiders. Is this some kind of joke?"
 
pretty clever kohler, now that you've started the avalanche the karmic forces which form direct causation between internet website opinions and sales will ensure the 3ds's success
 
Join us in the new decade Nintendo. Oh and Sega called. They wanted to wish you luck, and remind you that the Game Gear lasted 5 hours…AA’s.

This article is so bitter. The other one was at least amusing.
 
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/01/3ds-bill-trinen/

Here's a tidbit:
…and the Nontransferable License

Wired.com: You mentioned that users will be able to transfer their downloaded DSiWare software to 3DS. How will that work?

Trinen: There will be an application that will allow you to transfer your Nintendo DSiWare to a Nintendo 3DS. We’ll go into more detail on that… the shop and all that, we’ll talk about that in one big announcement.

Wired.com: If I buy a piece of 3DSWare on my 3DS, is that restricted to that 3DS that I purchased it on?

Trinen: That would be similar [to] how Nintendo DSi works.

Wired.com So it would be restricted to one 3DS, and I can’t move it? Even if I put the software on an SD card?

Trinen: Correct. Once you’ve bought it, it’s for the system you bought it on.
 
Zero-Crescent said:

The interviewer didn't ask about 3DSWare in the specific context of the System Transfer app, and Nintendo's site couldn't be any more explicit that it works between 3DS systems:

System Transfer is a feature that enables you to transfer downloadable software already purchased on a Nintendo 3DS system to another Nintendo 3DS. Nintendo DSiWare games & applications purchased on a Nintendo DSi or a Nintendo DSi XL system also can be transferred to your Nintendo 3DS.

I see no cause for concern here.
 
Glad this original article started the official 3DS backlash. Gives me faith that once again Nintendo is onto something that everyone else fails to see.
 
Kobun Heat said:
You are absolutely right. It's frustrating how Nintendo seems to keep telling us things that turn out to not be true, but I'll amend the article right away.

This must be why nobody ever answers questions at Nintendo.

I thought Trinen was being uncharacteristically open-mouthed about Nintendo products.

giggas said:
Glad this original article started the official 3DS backlash. Gives me faith that once again Nintendo is onto something that everyone else fails to see.

Oh god.
 
Kobun Heat said:
You are absolutely right. It's frustrating how Nintendo seems to keep telling us things that turn out to not be true, but I'll amend the article right away.

Does that mean that NOA has since confirmed the eShop firmware update for launch?
 
Kobun Heat said:
You are absolutely right. It's frustrating how Nintendo seems to keep telling us things that turn out to not be true, but I'll amend the article right away.


I thought Bill Trinen did that almost all the time.
 
zigg said:
This must be why nobody ever answers questions at Nintendo.

I thought Trinen was being uncharacteristically open-mouthed about Nintendo products.



Oh god.

I'm half joking. Because I actually did agree with nearly all of Chris' article and I don't think I'm going to be a day one adopter personally. I'm not blind, I sort of sense... well not doom and gloom, but maybe a sense of arrogance from Nintendo myself.

That said, I do enjoy when Nintendo is seemingly making a BIG mistake and it turns out they were ahead of everyone. You can't deny it's fun. The meltdowns and denial that always fuel those debates are always great.
 
Father_Brain said:
Does that mean that NOA has since confirmed the eShop firmware update for launch?

I heard that pediatricians are now recommending you hang 3DS from your baby's crib mobile to enhance their eye development.

giggas said:
I'm half joking.

Well, that's good to hear. Apologies then!
 
Father_Brain said:
Does that mean that NOA has since confirmed the eShop firmware update for launch?
No, but they have since issued a statement that says that they have not yet made an official announcement regarding timing of the U.S. eShop launch.
 
Father_Brain said:
Does that mean that NOA has since confirmed the eShop firmware update for launch?
NoE has said that, NoA is being evasive and not definitively confirming one way or the other. The caginess about DD content, system transfer, and video is really, really annoying.
 
FoneBone said:
NoE has said that, NoA is being evasive and not definitively confirming one way or the other. The caginess about DD content, system transfer, and video is really, really annoying.

I'm guessing they really, truly don't know.
 
FoneBone said:
NoE has said that, NoA is being evasive and not definitively confirming one way or the other. The caginess about DD content, system transfer, and video is really, really annoying.
I don't think NoE confirmed anything at the event last week. They wouldn't even comment on possible launch games or price. And the things they did know... well, you had to look them up in the press release.
zigg said:
I'm guessing they really, truly don't know.
You're right, they don't know anything really. Nintendo might as well hire cartboard cut-outs as PR people to save costs.
 
[Nintex] said:
I don't think NoE confirmed anything at the event last week. They wouldn't even comment on possible launch games or price. And the things they did know... well, you had to look them up in the press release.
I doubt the day 1 lineup will be finalized for a few more weeks, so I don't blame them for that, but the other stuff...
 
Seraphis Cain said:
Blah blah blah Apple.

Sorry, but I'll never see i-anything as a threat to Nintendo in the portable arena.

As a parent, I will buy an iPad for my daughter or an iPod Touch before I would consider getting her a DS or 3DS.

It's simply a better choice for kids and it's strange that so many parents have failed to see that. Although...a significant portion of parents don't like to think these days so that might be a contributing factor.

Music, T.V. shows, movies, educational apps, and games are all on the iPod Touch/Pad. No cartridges to lose, and IMO the games and education apps on the iPod that are specifically designed for children are of higher quality than what can be found on the DS at times.

My daughter will be five years old in three more months and she has access to two DS' in our house.

She never asks for the DS.

She is always willing to play the iPod Touch and has told us she wants an iPod of her own for her birthday.

...and we're considering it...which is completely fucked.

The "3D" of the 3DS is a gimmick and nothing more. I can't see it being a success. Cool if it is...but I really don't see it happening.
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
As a parent, I will buy an iPad for my daughter or an iPod Touch before I would consider getting her a DS or 3DS.

It's simply a better choice for kids and it's strange that so many parents have failed to see that. Although...a significant portion of parents don't like to think these days so that might be a contributing factor.

Music, T.V. shows, movies, educational apps, and games are all on the iPod Touch/Pad. No cartridges to lose, and IMO the games and education apps on the iPod that are specifically designed for children are of higher quality than what can be found on the DS at times.

My daughter will be five years old in three more months and she has access to two DS' in our house.

She never asks for the DS.

She is always willing to play the iPod Touch and has told us she wants an iPod of her own for her birthday.

...and we're considering it...which is completely fucked.

The "3D" of the 3DS is a gimmick and nothing more. I can't see it being a success. Cool if it is...but I really don't see it happening.
You're getting your 5 year old an iPod Touch? Will you adopt me?
 
These publications have no soul. How can you hate on:

1. Glasses free 3D which actually works
2. Nintendo first party, and excellent third party support. Most major franchises worth caring about.
3. enhanced ports of Ocarina, Metal Gear Solid 3, Star Fox 64 ie. some of the greatest games of all time to make your bits feel really moist
4. Everything Nintendo have been working towards - motion control, touch control, 3D, portability - in one device
5. A pretty damn competent Virtual Console from the sounds of things which offers older games in 3D - a hell of a lot more interesting than just peddling ROMs again
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
As a parent, I will buy an iPad for my daughter or an iPod Touch before I would consider getting her a DS or 3DS.

It's simply a better choice for kids and it's strange that so many parents have failed to see that. Although...a significant portion of parents don't like to think these days so that might be a contributing factor.

Music, T.V. shows, movies, educational apps, and games are all on the iPod Touch/Pad. No cartridges to lose, and IMO the games and education apps on the iPod that are specifically designed for children are of higher quality than what can be found on the DS at times.

My daughter will be five years old in three more months and she has access to two DS' in our house.

She never asks for the DS.

She is always willing to play the iPod Touch and has told us she wants an iPod of her own for her birthday.

...and we're considering it...which is completely fucked.

The "3D" of the 3DS is a gimmick and nothing more. I can't see it being a success. Cool if it is...but I really don't see it happening.

A kid that young will ask whatever their fathers uses more and is more hyped in the media.
 
Billychu said:
You're getting your 5 year old an iPod Touch? Will you adopt me?


I said we're considering it.

I rail against it, the wife thinks it would be nice for our daughter.

In "husband-think", that means we're considering it.

Here's the crazy thing. At $250...people WILL be buying 3DS' for their five year olds.

Lonely1 said:
A kid that young will ask whatever their fathers uses more and is more hyped in the media.

I use my DS, sir. Infact, she sees me use it.

And we don't have television so she doesn't have access to hip and cool Apple commercials...and kids at her school have DS because I hear other parents talk about them. Infact, when I talk to them about an iPod Touch, they look at me like I'm crazy, until I show them mine.

I don't want to get all contrarian with you but lining up an iPod Touch and a DS side by side, the iPod Touch is a better choice for kids.

People just haven't figured it out yet.
 
I was in Walmart to redeem some gift cards and I saw a young girl, probably four or five years old asking her mother for an iPad. I was surprised she even knew what an iPad was.
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
As a parent, I will buy an iPad for my daughter or an iPod Touch before I would consider getting her a DS or 3DS.

It's simply a better choice for kids and it's strange that so many parents have failed to see that. Although...a significant portion of parents don't like to think these days so that might be a contributing factor.
.

Want to know the real contributing factors?

1) Kids break shit. DS are damn sturdy devices. Plus, there are great NERF cases for them which make them indestructible.
2) Carts are durable
3) Cheap, used games markets.
 
I NEED SCISSORS said:
These publications have no soul. How can you hate on:

1. Glasses free 3D which actually works
2. Nintendo first party, and excellent third party support. Most major franchises worth caring about.
3. enhanced ports of Ocarina, Metal Gear Solid 3, Star Fox 64 ie. some of the greatest games of all time to make your bits feel really moist
4. Everything Nintendo have been working towards - motion control, touch control, 3D, portability - in one device
5. A pretty damn competent Virtual Console from the sounds of things which offers older games in 3D - a hell of a lot more interesting than just peddling ROMs again


Wasn't aware of this .. is that 100% confirmed? Super Mario World 3D would be awfully tempting to get!
 
sajj316 said:
Wasn't aware of this .. is that 100% confirmed? Super Mario World 3D would be awfully tempting to get!
They plan to have a line of classic games that are made 3D. the demo reel showed.

Mega Man 2, Castlevania, Urban Champion, Kid Icarus, Yoshi's Island, Smash Ping Pong, Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros., Tennis, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid and Mystery of Murasame Castle.
 
sajj316 said:
Wasn't aware of this .. is that 100% confirmed? Super Mario World 3D would be awfully tempting to get!
Nintendo showed off a number of classic 8 and 16-bit games in 3D at E3 - there was a station dedicated solely to an 8-bit remake of Xevious in full 3D. Nintendo hasn't talked about it recently, but at one point there was going to be a special section of the eStore dedicated to 3D classics.
 
Found another one. What's with all the Western media shit-ing on Nintendo?

this is from financial website motley fool

5 Reasons Why Nintendo Is Doomed

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/01/24/5-reasons-why-nintendo-is-doomed.aspx

1. I still don't think the 3DS would've been a hit had it come to retailers before the 2010 holiday season, but how many gamers have $250 burning holes in their pockets in March?

2. No one cares about 3-D outside of the multiplex

3. Toddlers are out
Nintendo has always appealed to the smallest of gamers, and the durable nature of 3DS' predecessors make it appealing for parents to hand over to entertainment-seeking toddlers.

Unfortunately, the 3DS may be a health risk. The product's label warns that children under six shouldn't use the 3-D functionality. It may hamper their vision development. Adults are also advised to stop playing if they begin feeling dizzy.

4. The price is too high

5. Apple Owns Nintendo

EDIT: BEATEN :(
 
marc^o^ said:
If you thought Kobun Heat headline was sensational, how about this one?

5 reasons why Nintendo is doomed
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41232816/ns/business-motley_fool/

"Nintendo's 3DS doesn't stand a chance.
1. It's too late
2. No one cares about 3-D outside of the multiplex
3. Toddlers are out
4. The price is too high
5. Apple owns Nintendo
The sum is greater than the hole.
What's next, Nintendo?"


Wow, i'm really missing out by not reading this thread, huh?
 
Dreamwriter said:
Nintendo showed off a number of classic 8 and 16-bit games in 3D at E3 - there was a station dedicated solely to an 8-bit remake of Xevious in full 3D. Nintendo hasn't talked about it recently, but at one point there was going to be a special section of the eStore dedicated to 3D classics.

To add: this is distinct from 3DS Virtual Console, which (thus far) only includes GB/GBC games and is not 3D. It's a common source of confusion.
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
I don't want to get all contrarian with you but lining up an iPod Touch and a DS side by side, the iPod Touch is a better choice for kids.

Totally agree with this statement. My iphone is all that my 2 year old wants. She knows how to search through photos and launch Netflix to watch Super Why!, Go Diego Go!, and Dora the Explorer (yes .. she knows how to go to Recently Watched and launch from there ... proud father!)

Now, if the 3DS can offer an experience similar to the iphone or itouch in that there are education applications as well as netflix, my daughter would go for that.

However, I do hope that I am able to lock the 3D slider as I DO NOT want my 2 year old looking at stuff in 3D.
 
sajj316 said:
Totally agree with this statement. My iphone is all that my 2 year old wants. She knows how to search through photos and launch Netflix to watch Super Why!, Go Diego Go!, and Dora the Explorer (yes .. she knows how to go to Recently Watched and launch from there ... proud father!)

Now, if the 3DS can offer an experience similar to the iphone or itouch in that there are education applications as well as netflix, my daughter would go for that.

However, I do hope that I am able to lock the 3D slider as I DO NOT want my 2 year old looking at stuff in 3D.
You can lock-out the 3D with parental controls. Yes.
 
sajj316 said:
Totally agree with this statement. My iphone is all that my 2 year old wants. She knows how to search through photos and launch Netflix to watch Super Why!, Go Diego Go!, and Dora the Explorer (yes .. she knows how to go to Recently Watched and launch from there ... proud father!)

Now, if the 3DS can offer an experience similar to the iphone or itouch in that there are education applications as well as netflix, my daughter would go for that.

However, I do hope that I am able to lock the 3D slider as I DO NOT want my 2 year old looking at stuff in 3D.
They have mentioned there are parental controls for the 3D effect so very likely you can lock it out
 
sajj316 said:
Totally agree with this statement. My iphone is all that my 2 year old wants. She knows how to search through photos and launch Netflix to watch Super Why!, Go Diego Go!, and Dora the Explorer (yes .. she knows how to go to Recently Watched and launch from there ... proud father!)

Now, if the 3DS can offer an experience similar to the iphone or itouch in that there are education applications as well as netflix, my daughter would go for that.

However, I do hope that I am able to lock the 3D slider as I DO NOT want my 2 year old looking at stuff in 3D.
My girls are born with an iPhone, and now they are hooked to the iPad. Sometimes they play Nintendogs but there is so much more for them to do on the iPad. I also think Nintendo will never sell this crowd as many units as they used to, when the GBA/DS were the only devices targeted to kids.

So the audience Nintendo will lose there will need to be gained elsewhere. And this is the good news for us. Nintendo now NEEDS to target GAMERS again. And by that I mean they need to have gamers be their core focus. Good times coming.
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
I don't want to get all contrarian with you but lining up an iPod Touch and a DS side by side, the iPod Touch is a better choice for kids.

People just haven't figured it out yet.
That's the thing though.
The iDevices are great and offer some excellent value and options for parents and people in general too.

But is still kind of an apple to oranges. As you said, it offers more stuff for your daughter to do; yet gaming is not "the main thing" many buy one though and you even said that too. Movies, shows, apps, education, etc. You're not buying an iTouch for your daughter as a gaming device but as a multimedia device that happens to play games and do other things.

People buying a 3DS will mostly do it for gaming first and everything else it does (apps, movies, etc.) as a secondary thing. People are not going around about buying a 3DS to watch TV shows, or learn something.

I mean, I'm planning (and saving) for an iPad. Amazing device, but I'm not planning it to be a substitute or buy it instead of a 3DS, but more as something I can use for multiple things. yeah I can play some games here and there, but whenever I want to play Mario, Zelda, etc. that's what the 3DS is going to be for.

When people "lol" at the whole comparisons is because of that. The iDevices are nice choices for kids because of the amount of things they can do, but not as a primary gaming devices which is why many go for DS or PSP games.

Heck I know parents that bought an iThouch for their children last Christmas, simply because that way their kids will leave them alone more time. Instead of buying a DS with games, they got them an iTouch because when they get bored of movies, they can play games, when bored of games, they can do something else. So the iTouch became the "thing that keeps my son calm and makes him play and scream and run less."

So like everything, it depends.
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
As a parent, I will buy an iPad for my daughter or an iPod Touch before I would consider getting her a DS or 3DS.

It's simply a better choice for kids and it's strange that so many parents have failed to see that. Although...a significant portion of parents don't like to think these days so that might be a contributing factor.

Music, T.V. shows, movies, educational apps, and games are all on the iPod Touch/Pad. No cartridges to lose, and IMO the games and education apps on the iPod that are specifically designed for children are of higher quality than what can be found on the DS at times.

My daughter will be five years old in three more months and she has access to two DS' in our house.

She never asks for the DS.

She is always willing to play the iPod Touch and has told us she wants an iPod of her own for her birthday.

...and we're considering it...which is completely fucked.

The "3D" of the 3DS is a gimmick and nothing more. I can't see it being a success. Cool if it is...but I really don't see it happening.

Maybe you've got so much money that a $499 replacement is no big deal, but for those of us with tighter budgets, there's no way in hell I'm getting my 4-year old something easily breakable like an iPad or iPod touch. My DS Lite has survived my son (now 4, was 2.5 when we got it) and still works great.

Not to mention that my son's favorite computer activity is going online to PBS Kids. How's that Flash support on your iPad working? Ohhhhh... sorry.

Your kid plays with your iPad because you play with the iPad. that doesn't mean it's appropriate or suitable outside of tightly supervised use. The DS doesn't require you to be a helicopter parent to keep it from breaking.
 
marc^o^ said:
My girls are born with an iPhone, and now they are hooked to the iPad. Sometimes they play Nintendogs but there is so much more for them to do on the iPad. I also think Nintendo will never sell this crowd as many units as they used to, when the GBA/DS were the only devices targeted to kids.

So the audience Nintendo will lose there will need to be gained elsewhere. And this is the good news for us. Nintendo now NEEDS to target GAMERS again. And by that I mean they need to have gamers be their core focus. Good times coming.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand, but... Nintendo targets everyone. They never stopped targeting gamers, they were simply targeting more than us. We were still a target, however; otherwise, we would never have gotten Mario Galaxy or any Zelda games.
 
marc^o^ said:
My girls are born with an iPhone, and now they are hooked to the iPad. Sometimes they play Nintendogs but there is so much more for them to do on the iPad. I also think Nintendo will never sell this kid crowd as many units as they used to, when the GBA/DS were the only devices targetted to kids. So the audience Nintendo will lose there will need to be gained elsewhere. And this is the good news for us. Nintendo now NEEDS to target GAMERS again. And by that I mean they need to have gamers be their core focus. Good times coming.

Erm so what - just because they like iDevices it means that they will never touch anything else for the rest of their life ? There is no reason why customers wouldnt pick up a non-iDevice once appealing software is bein released exclusive on other plattform. I dont know about your girls, but as far as i know nintendo still got mad children appeal with mario, pokemon and co. - whcih wont change in near future.
 
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