Mihael Mello Keehl
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Nintendo-4Life said:This is REALLY not Nintendo's year huh?
nah but its their holiday for sure
Nintendo-4Life said:This is REALLY not Nintendo's year huh?
Cygnus X-1 said:Ah, by the way: these losses are not due to foreign exchange losses like last year. They did not sell enough to compensate general and administrative expenses!
So, last year there was an excuse, but now Nintendo is seriously in trouble. The last time something like that happened it was in 2004 Q1 with the Gamecube.
Their assets are diminishing, i.e. there is an intake of what they earned through last years.
So, the decision to lower the price of 3DS so much has sure something to du with the fact that they hope to compensate A LOT through the games.
jokkir said:Time to invest in Nintendo?
dvolovets said:So that's a 3.23 attach rate for the 3DS... is that considered good at this point? I feel like it should be higher, considering the PSP-like audience that's currently the main market for the system...
Cygnus X-1 said:Ah, by the way: these losses are not due to foreign exchange losses like last year. They did not sell enough to compensate general and administrative expenses!
So, last year there was an excuse, but now Nintendo is seriously in trouble. The last time something like that happened it was in 2004 Q1 with the Gamecube.
Their assets are diminishing, i.e. there is an intake of what they earned through last years.
So, the decision to lower the price of 3DS so much has sure something to du with the fact that they hope to compensate A LOT through the games.
Mihael Mello Keehl said:nah but its their holiday for sure
El_TigroX said:I haven't seen anything outside of Zelda that I think will really sell... and I'm not sure Zelda carries the same weight any more. It's going to be Nintendo's biggest game and a big game this fall... but enough on its own to take the holiday period? I don't know if I believe that.
I don't think you're wrong, I just don't know if you're fully right.
There's Mario Kart. DS and Wii versions both sold over 20m copies.El_TigroX said:I haven't seen anything outside of Zelda that I think will really sell... and I'm not sure Zelda carries the same weight any more. It's going to be Nintendo's biggest game and a big game this fall... but enough on its own to take the holiday period? I don't know if I believe that.
I don't think you're wrong, I just don't know if you're fully right.
AniHawk said:you know, i think the ps2 is going to remain the best-selling system of all-time. sony would have to absolutely kill it right now for the ds to even catch up, and that wouldn't happen until sometime in mid-late 2012.
GCX said:There's Mario Kart. DS and Wii versions both sold over 20m copies.
BKK said:Yeah, it probably won't even pass PS2 now, and even if it does it's unlikely to remain ahead.
Last Quarter;
NDS - 1.44/147.86
PS2 - 1.4/152.3
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. That's like saying "I wouldn't call Uncharted 3 a big holiday game because there's a slight change it won't do well".M.I.S. said:How well did Animal Crossing DS do as compared to Animal Crossing Wii?
Kagari said:No wonder they cut the 3DS price.
PooBone said:Ouch. Price cut for the 3DS was the right thing to do. I still think the Wii U will be a flop.
Nuclear Muffin said:That includes the astronomical costs of Wii U's R&D.
Actually he's right, they made something that didn't appeal to the market and made every move to be sure to get in this situation._Alkaline_ said:Do your posts ever have any kind of substance other than one word/sentence quips that try to be provocative but fail miserably?
El_TigroX said:I haven't seen anything outside of Zelda that I think will really sell... and I'm not sure Zelda carries the same weight any more. It's going to be Nintendo's biggest game and a big game this fall... but enough on its own to take the holiday period? I don't know if I believe that.
I don't think you're wrong, I just don't know if you're fully right.
GCX said:I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. That's like saying "I wouldn't call Uncharted 3 a big holiday game because there's a slight change it won't do well".
No one knows how much Mario Kart 3DS will end up selling but everyone knows its sales potential is astronomical.
Cygnus X-1 said:No use finding excuses. A company always has to take into account R&D. Like Nestlé, Hoffman La Roche, Novartis, ABB or every other company.
Nintendo misjudged the situation: they did not realize the DS was slowly diminishing its sales; they didn't realize Wii was collapsing because of lack of third party games AND their own games; they didn't realize PSP was returning big in Japan; they didn't realize Kinect would have been successful; they didn't realize games for iPhone and Android were becoming more and more important; they didn't understood the power of Steam.
Though they did something right: 3D without glasses is a major distinction factor from every other product. Price was too high though and line-up was catastrophic. They corrected the former, which will give at least the change of 3DS to take over the original DS. But in order to explode like DS, they need to bring to the system new IP that cannot be found on any other tablet or smartphone device. Something completely new.
The big drop of 3DS price is encouraging: Nintendo understood that there was a problem quite fast. I mean: I would have waited till PSP Vita was out. The fact they dropped the price so much and so early is the sign they are moving their asses from the lazy modality.
Since the pressure is not going away anytime soon, I expect them to drastically increase their efficiency from now on.
Nuclear Muffin said:Yes it was a misjudgment, but this loss is not a sign of long term problems because the R&D costs will now be mostly sunk.
Personally, I think that this massive pricedrop is a mistake and an overreaction (sure, a price drop for the holidays would've gone well, but this drop is too large). As for the lineup, how is it any worse than the DS' first year? Hell that didn't get a Mario game till about 1.5 years after launch.
Remember, the DS didn't explode until around 1.5 years after launch (with the 1,2,3,4 punch of the DS Lite, a price drop, the release of Brain Age and NSMB and the combined library of DS games so far)
Dedication Through Light said:I thought DS launched with Super Mario 64 DS?
Shiggy said:Nintendo will supposedly start huge marketing efforts in November for both Zelda (25th) and Mario. Mario Kart 7 was supposed to be released in October already, there must've been some development issues or a new strategic decision... (I assume they had trouble with the online mode).
Tron 2.0 said:And can someone explain to me the difference between operating loss, ordinary loss and net loss?
Anything's possible and I'm not saying that couldn't happen.M.I.S. said:I meant that Animal Crossing Wii was a relative dud as compared to the huge sales of Animal Crossing DS. That one title of the same franchise on one platform will not necessarily translate to the same success on a different platform.
Mario Kart is Nintendo's largest franchise ever in terms of unit sales but I'm not yet convinced that casual players won't just look at it on store shelves, realise they've already played it on Wii and DS, shrug their shoulders and move on.
Many casuals gave 3DS the same reaction. They already have a DS/i/XL, looked at 3DS in store shelves, shrugged their shoulders and moved on. Whether that perception will change, well, we'll see.
I thought they already announced Pokemon for Android.TouchMyBox said:So, how many more quarters until Nintendo announces that they're going third-party?
It was a very professional move, no BS PR statement about how the 3DS is some amazing item that people will start to want, etc. They just lowered the price, that's what people want.Cygnus X-1 said:The big drop of 3DS price is encouraging: Nintendo understood that there was a problem quite fast.
Not developed by Nintendo.GCX said:I thought they already announced Pokemon for Android.
ciaossu said:People also want games. That should be fixed this holiday season. Mario Kart will be a big system seller in the US, not sure about Japan.
Say what you want, but with E&D turning a profit with all those failing and dead products like Kin, Zune and WP7, thats very impressive.Reckoner said:After how much they spent with Kinect marketing, I wouldn't call it income.
GuiltySpank said:So the party is over for Nintendo and the casuals have left in droves. Let this be a lesson to MS and Sony that the waggle fad can only take you so far.
electroplankton said:Maybe when DSi will be at $99.
That's a good point. I tend to forget about Brain Training since it didn't interest me, but the casual market was huge for the DS so that's an essential component.Cygnus X-1 said:Sure, that's what I'm saying too. This price cut shall be the first of many measures that point out to revitalize the 3DS. Software will be a large part of this Nintendo-Marshall Plan.
They have to work more on new IPs. Period. Something like Angry Birds who can cater the attention of the casual market, like Brain Training did.
When all is said and done and you combine losses with the profits, would it still have been worth it?Cygnus X-1 said:They did a lot of money on these fads though. Much more than in any time o their history. And their profits propelled to the skies as never seen before.
Thus it was not a bad choice and in my opinion Nintendo should forget about hardcore and keep their brains focussed on the casual market that made Wii and DS'f fortunes.
GuiltySpank said:So the party is over for Nintendo and the casuals have left in droves. Let this be a lesson to MS and Sony that the waggle fad can only take you so far.
And you'll still troll everyone due to having no other reason to come here.big_z said:Nintendo needs to make a new handheld and blow off the 3ds as the last version of the ds revisions. They also need to kill the wiiU as it's a rushed unfocused mess and try again.
Every now and then nintendo gets lucky and strikes lighting but they still haven't figured out how to ride it.
9 million units is the new 'nothing'.Mael said:They didn't follow up on WSR or NSMBW but when Galaxy doesn't move anything we get 2 new projects in the same vein.
Cygnus X-1 said:Sure, that's what I'm saying too. This price cut shall be the first of many measures that point out to revitalize the 3DS. Software will be a large part of this Nintendo-Marshall Plan.
They have to work more on new IPs. Period. Something like Angry Birds who can cater the attention of the casual market, like Brain Training did.
GuiltySpank said:When all is said and done and you combine losses with the profits, would it still have been worth it?
I said when all is said and done. Do you expect Wii to increase in sales again? I don't think so. This is the start of a steady decline for the Wii and there are many more losses to come.Plinko said:Am I missing the sarcasm here or are you being serious? 5 years of gangbusters sales against a couple quarters of loss. Surely you jest.