ROBOKITTYZILLA
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Terrible news and terrible idea. :/
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Nintendo explains WiiU online, makes little sense, doesn't actually say anything
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DownLikeBCPowder
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Wouldn't need to jump to conclusions if they would be a bit more clear.Truth101 said:
DragonKnight
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Welp there goes any excitement I had for the new system. I love nintendo but not again. NGP for me until ps4/720. I'm not going to encourage their silly behavior
Somnid said:
Until people see it in action, we'll see crazy assumptions on both ends.
Either way, as long as we have one friends list, some sort of avatar/mii functionality, and a way to send messages/invite people no matter where they are (similar to PSN invites where it just sends a message via the game you are playing) and a shop, everything will be fine.
GoldenEye 007
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Now this sounds concerning. We'll have to wait and see what this means in practice or what Nintendo will be doing regarding this. No reason not to have at least a single logon/Club Nintendo link or something that can be used to buy stuff, play, chat, etc.
It seems the 3DS had it going on the right track. I don't know who they would all of a sudden change from that going forward.
It seems the 3DS had it going on the right track. I don't know who they would all of a sudden change from that going forward.
DXB-KNIGHT
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I'll reserve my judgement until further explanation.
Alextended said:
Why in the world are you even comparing it to PC. PC is an open system. Wii U is not, PS3 is not , 360 is not.
How in the world in PC you are going to have a unified system.
Steam and other have unified because they are close system.
Using PC as an example is just straight up being apologetic.
CoffeeJanitor
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Or, you know, the statement could mean that the online is going to be from the stone age--pretty much the exact same thing we got later on with the Wii with companies using their own networks.Truth101 said:
Pessimism is best for Nintendo and online
Wrestlemania
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As far as I'm concerned they just need to provide the basic features on top (friends list, invites, voice chat system) and let the developers do the rest. Anything else they really need to do?
It's basically how PC based online gaming works, and most of my online experiences have been on the PC, so I don't see what sucks about it.
This allows freedom for devs to create their own services, and it may not be as convenient as other approaches, but at least it's not restrictive. The super-restrictive online approach from nintendo was pretty sucky, and obviously they don't have any desire to create a modern unified system that doesn't have stupid restrictions, so this is probably going to be better.
Edit: Also, I agree with some other posters that this may attract more 3rd party support. It gives them a chance to do things their own way, and creates sort of a wild-west environment for online systems.
second edit: Also wanted to mention that the whole interview was basically damage control for the failures of this E3, and I think he handled it pretty well.
This allows freedom for devs to create their own services, and it may not be as convenient as other approaches, but at least it's not restrictive. The super-restrictive online approach from nintendo was pretty sucky, and obviously they don't have any desire to create a modern unified system that doesn't have stupid restrictions, so this is probably going to be better.
Edit: Also, I agree with some other posters that this may attract more 3rd party support. It gives them a chance to do things their own way, and creates sort of a wild-west environment for online systems.
second edit: Also wanted to mention that the whole interview was basically damage control for the failures of this E3, and I think he handled it pretty well.
fabricated backlash
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Effect said:
The huge problem is, that while all these publishers are creating their own plattforms, they all benefit from a unified pool of people playing on the same service, using the same messaging, invite and advertisement channels. EA, Activision and Ubisoft don't have online communities that can support themselves. Those systems still depend on PSN, XBL or Steam for that matter. They just want a sort of meta plattform added to increase their brand awareness, but would suffer greatly if their potential audience was kept out due to separation of account systems.
A simple example would have player A playing BF3, telling player B who currently plays mW3 to check out BF3 and try it out. This would not be possible with separate accounts and would hurt the overall growth of income and potential customers.
So in summary, a segregated online community is not in 3rd parties interests.
From the vague information given it sounds more like Nintendo is going to be more flexible to 3rd parties own presence on the plattform which Free2play games like Ghost Recon that rely on microtransactions show. My guess is that they really want to find the best way for each 3rd party developer to present his products on Nintendos online system.
Just thinking about Nintendos policies for one second would make it blatantly obvious that they aren't going to forgo their own control, monetizing and save the children attitude.
So I'd say accounts with Nintendo, but flexible online presence by 3rd parties, giving way to different monetizing channels like Microtransactions, Free2Play, monthly fees for MMOs etc.
I'm of course just speculating, but I guess that many here have allready picked up the torches and are ready to burn Nintendo down on pure suspiscion alone... though with their history with online, I can hardly blame them.
bgassassin
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1-D_FTW said:
Effect said:
I found the link and this is from May 8th.
http://www.hiphopgamershow.com/2011...-nintendo-aims-to-kill-competition-hhgs-5811/
Just click to around the 15:35 mark and listen to what he says. It sounds similar to the posts you two just made and lines up with the general comments the guy in the original video. He also talks about Gabe Newell and Nintendo a few minutes before hand.
Yep, this. Everyone's jumping to conclusions again. I know this is Nintendo we're talking about, but I think they've learned some things with the failure of the Wii's online network.DXB-KNIGHT said:
Edit: Would be nice for Nintendo to NOT confuse the customers for once. We need more facts.
I'm on the side that thinks he meant Nintendo hasn't established their own online that third parties have to deal with, but rather they are listening to third parties now and will reveal the online plans at a later date. Should have been careful with that word "centralised".
Basically another case of Nintendo not being clear.
Basically another case of Nintendo not being clear.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Just wait.Vinci said:
Truth101 said:
And I don't think you're reading that correctly. That to me says Nintendo is going to let third parties create their own portals and Nintendo is going to support that freedom by making sure those systems function properly within a closed architecture.
Vinci said:
Except the big boys have already made their own. They just want somebody outside the PC space to let them run it.
CoffeeJanitor
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Yup. The 3DS clearly shows their change of heartDisguises said:
Jaded Alyx
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We don't know if they are.Busaiku said:
Krowley said:
Same. I do enough PC gaming (where I have a login for EA, one for Ubisoft, SOE, Steam, etc) that I'm find if this is what Nintendo is going for here. They supply the hub for a example and the publishers supply their own and those that can't create their own partner up with the bigger guys or Nintendo supplies something on their own.
The best PC systems have always beenkodt said:
1. nothing, type /name and go
2. Everyone on Steam with its feature set
The publisher in the middle systems I have used (EA, R*, GFWL) are just as bad as Konami ID on PS3. These systems always end up taking extra work to play each, are hard to set up on a console, and usually make the game start a lot slower.
I do agree with your point 3 though. If Quake Live, or Steam was using facebook I would be really pissed off.
Kai Dracon
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A thought:
There are planned features for the 3DS that haven't even been activated yet such as sending messages to other users (it even says you can in the system menu but it's not there yet, lol). We *know* that Nintendo is ramping up their online service with dedicated servers to track and distribute information: it's called Spotpass. Publishers big and small can upload information to be distributed automatically to every system.
Gah; at this point I agree with the theory that the Project Cafe leaks forced Nintendo to show their hand too soon. All these details are still in flux and they want to say as little as they can, to avoid getting locked into a promise before their plans are stable.
There are planned features for the 3DS that haven't even been activated yet such as sending messages to other users (it even says you can in the system menu but it's not there yet, lol). We *know* that Nintendo is ramping up their online service with dedicated servers to track and distribute information: it's called Spotpass. Publishers big and small can upload information to be distributed automatically to every system.
Gah; at this point I agree with the theory that the Project Cafe leaks forced Nintendo to show their hand too soon. All these details are still in flux and they want to say as little as they can, to avoid getting locked into a promise before their plans are stable.
Boombloxer said:
1. sure but then any content associated with the old account is lost
2. I know PSN does, I was unaware that XBL had any.
3. privacy reasons
Nirolak said:
Was unaware about Battlefield. Still the vast majority use MS matchmaking system with no dedicated servers. I image more games would have them if this was not the default.
USC-fan said:
2. That game isn't even out yet, and I was not aware. Good to know I guess.
And in response the the cheating argument. Sure it seems nice to ban cheaters from every game, but they can always make a new account. It does screw over honest players though. Consider these scenarios:
1. Friend comes over and uses your account, gets you banned.
2. There are servers that allow hacks, say you accidentally forget to disable them on a valid server, boom no warning you are now banned from all of your games (in the case of Steam)
3. Console bans, multiple people use same console, one person cheats, all are affected.
4. You take advantage of an exploit in the game, something that should be patched. Certainly abusing it over and over could be grounds for a ban, but players have been banned for single offences. I think players naturally try to take advantage of small glitches in games, but the system gets to decide if the glitch is big enough to ban people, this is not a good system IMO.
Skiing in Tribes was a glitch. Imagine if Tribes launched on 360 and MS banned anyone who Skied.
GitarooMan
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Really, really awful news, no wonder they didn't want to talk about during the press conference, that would have brought the boos.
1-D_FTW said:
That is exactly what I said.
Nintendo will have a basic online system that incorporates the online system of 3rd parties into it Allowing 3rd parties to implement their own online system if they want, but still have friend-lists,messaging, log-in relegated to the basic Nintendo account.
But, honestly I think Nintendo is still designing the online system and is taking input from 3rd parties and making sure it will work how the 3rd parties want it to work. Though if not I think it will be like how I explained above.