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Nintendo explains WiiU online, makes little sense, doesn't actually say anything
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IsntChrisL
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Nintendo's vague responses to questions about online implementation are leading to a lot of unnecessary fear, I think.
Now, I find it hard to believe that the system won't AT LEAST match the 3DS' online setup. So we probably don't need to worry about not having a friends list. The Ubisoft quote supports this idea as well.
Nintendo just needs to come out and say that their will be some sort of STRUCTURE so that people can stop worrying about it.
Now, I find it hard to believe that the system won't AT LEAST match the 3DS' online setup. So we probably don't need to worry about not having a friends list. The Ubisoft quote supports this idea as well.
Nintendo just needs to come out and say that their will be some sort of STRUCTURE so that people can stop worrying about it.
Nintendo is seriously like an abusive player.corkscrewblow said:
Hardcore Gamers: I can't trust you anymore, not after the Wii. How could you do that to me!!?? (crys uncontrollably)
Nintendo: Baby, I'll change! God I'll change I promise! Give me one more chance!
Hardcore gamers: No, I'll never come back to you!
some time later....
Press (hardcore gamer's friends): Oh, did you hear that Nintendo coming out with a new console, apparently it's awesome, reminds me of when you and Nintendo were first together. Looks like he's really done a complete turnaround, like he used to be.
Hardcore gamer: Huh? Really? hmmmm....
Nintendo: Hey, baby. What's up.
Hardcore gamer: Oh, Nintendo Ive missed you!
Nintendo: Lets get outa here, baby.
*bed noises
And the process shall repeat.
Nintendo will give you a few orgasms, but he'll end leaving you feeling lonely and stupid like he used you just get your cash, all the while he's fucking around with who knows how many non-gamers.
Maybe he's just suggesting that they're taking cues from publishers and what each one wants in order to come up with something publishers like.
Imagine if Nintendo is the only company that allows updates in the vein of Team Fortress 2 for PC/Mac (vs 360). That would be _incredible_
Imagine if Nintendo is the only company that allows updates in the vein of Team Fortress 2 for PC/Mac (vs 360). That would be _incredible_
CoffeeJanitor
Member
He's afraid. Reality is dawning upon him.jay said:
Father_Brain
Banned
Busaiku said:
They almost certainly aren't - in fact, looking at the full statement, Scibetta seems to be trying (and failing, likely due to NCL-imposed secrecy) to explain how it's improved from previous Nintendo platforms. But this is yet another example of how being so incredibly secretive tends to lead to PR disasters.
Chittagong said:
the best bit is I'm sure Nintendo think they're geniuses. They probably went to 3rd parties and asked them what they wanted. they all said 'we want to use our own particular stupid online systems to hook people into our games even though that is bad for the consumer'. And they said 'yes'.
in their book I suppose thats good because they get 3rd party support. Sigh.
GregLombardi
Member
I agree.
If there isn't an Xbox Live like system for Wii U, its no buy for me.
Simple as that. They need to discuss this before launch.
If there isn't an Xbox Live like system for Wii U, its no buy for me.
Simple as that. They need to discuss this before launch.
Azure Dream
Member
I hate to echo the repeated cries, but SteamWorks as a console standard makes too much sense. I'm sure many 3rd parties wants their own proprietary system, but for a lot of developers, this means the same online structure can be almost recycled for both PC and Wii U. It's also an indirect strike at Microsoft, causing less PC developers to go with GFWL out of sheer convenience. And... at least structure-wise, it's pretty much done for them. It may not always be able to evolve in-step with the PC side and its unlimited hardware, but if Valve's serious about attaching their name to it, they'll try.
Unfortunately, Steam really is about as un-Nintendo as things get. They'd pretty much have to design two different styles of presentation too, one super user-friendly with Mii images popping up along with speech bubbles with their message, while at the same time including the other cold, clean message boxes for the hardcore, that sort of thing. But damn it, they could do it.
The worst part is that they specifically drew attention to features they weren't prepared to talk about. "Our online is wonderful!" "What is it?" "We're not gonna say yet."
Unfortunately, Steam really is about as un-Nintendo as things get. They'd pretty much have to design two different styles of presentation too, one super user-friendly with Mii images popping up along with speech bubbles with their message, while at the same time including the other cold, clean message boxes for the hardcore, that sort of thing. But damn it, they could do it.
Duderz said:
The worst part is that they specifically drew attention to features they weren't prepared to talk about. "Our online is wonderful!" "What is it?" "We're not gonna say yet."
AcceptableGhost
Member
As terrible as this sounds, it doesn't mean that Nintendo still can't have a unified OS level messaging/chat/friends list stuff. It could just be the online play that the third parties handle in their own way, like how steam works.
Steam has it's own friends/chat/overlay over everything even if the game runs its own online.
Steam has it's own friends/chat/overlay over everything even if the game runs its own online.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Oh I have no doubt there is a fair chance this will be some PS2 level shit.FoneBone said:
dragonfart28
Banned
GAF overreaction as usual.
"We're not going to have a centralized, one size fits all gaming approach. It's going to be more of publishers figuring out what they want to do and we'll try and work to bring that to life to make sure our platform can support that vision."
If publishers think they need to have their own micro accounts then so be it, but that would be their fault really. It doesn't have to be the mandate for you to log into some game specific network.
"We're not going to have a centralized, one size fits all gaming approach. It's going to be more of publishers figuring out what they want to do and we'll try and work to bring that to life to make sure our platform can support that vision."
If publishers think they need to have their own micro accounts then so be it, but that would be their fault really. It doesn't have to be the mandate for you to log into some game specific network.
AceBandage
Banned
Glad you seem so concerned with where I'm at. Not creepy at all.jay said:
Anyway, I'll wait and see. It's pretty obvious he was aping what Reggie had said earlier but with a new spin, so there's nothing we can really take from it other than there's nothing set in stone yet.
MTMBStudios said:
What was done on the PS2? I never went online with it outside of messing around with Everquest Online Adventures a few times.
What I picture would be how Netflix works on the Wii now. Nintendo provides the download for it and once you enter it, it's Netflix. Everything is handled through Netflix. The Wii just bridges the connection.In this case you have option to either enter online via the game like normal or enter EA's network via an icon. From there you could maybe access DLC for games you have, downloads, etc which all download to the system in it's own little EA storage section. Repeat this for Steam, Ubisoft, etc.
JimboJones
Member
Nintendo just went full retard.
Mr. B Natural
Member
Holy shit. I gave Nintendo 1...and I mean 1 benefit of the doubt and they couldn't do it.
I guess I'll go back to my old statement here even when Nintendo fans do actually call Nintendo out on something -
Why try when it's been shown for 10 years that you don't have to?
Sure, the fans did rightfully complain when smash bros brawl came out about the pathetic online, and good for them for doing it, but they bought the giant pile of mediocrity anyway, didn't they? AND they still justified their purchase and will by the next one regardless of quality and innovation and effort. Why try? Nintendo has no motivation. The only thing they have to do is get those grandmas and the 40 year olds that don't really care about mario or whatever to buy their systems. That's where they need to try. Those the are customers that actually look at the product before purchasing it and don't hyper actively market themselves.
I guess I'll go back to my old statement here even when Nintendo fans do actually call Nintendo out on something -
Why try when it's been shown for 10 years that you don't have to?
Sure, the fans did rightfully complain when smash bros brawl came out about the pathetic online, and good for them for doing it, but they bought the giant pile of mediocrity anyway, didn't they? AND they still justified their purchase and will by the next one regardless of quality and innovation and effort. Why try? Nintendo has no motivation. The only thing they have to do is get those grandmas and the 40 year olds that don't really care about mario or whatever to buy their systems. That's where they need to try. Those the are customers that actually look at the product before purchasing it and don't hyper actively market themselves.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
So this is what the rumours meant when they said Nintendo was working with a third party for their online service.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
As if people wants Nintendo to spill the beans already or we will dare to assume that you didn't change. I don't think we will hear anything regarding the WiiU until October that if we are lucky.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
That's kind of a lot to expect. I guess we'll seeTeknoman said:
GregLombardi said:
It took MS--a software company at heart with years of experience in the online space--years to build Live to be where it is today. Expecting Nintendo to have something comparable to Live is wildly unrealistic. The best we can hope for is a system similar to PSN circa 2006.
Zoramon089
Banned
I wonder if this guy would consider 3DS online a centralized system...
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Don't know which Nintendo fan you're talkin' about but it ain't me. Sakurai can keep his visions for Brawl and Nintendo can take a hike this time..Mr. B Natural said:
That is of course assuming I don't come down with amnesia in about a year.
UltimaPooh
Member
I don't know if this confirms that they won't have a central account system.
Maybe the third parties will have their own online (and can be free to charge) but your Nintendo account name will be the one they use for your online.
Of course this could mean free online gaming as opposed to paying for XBOX Live. If Nintendo gets decent online down for their core franchises and it's free? Oh man I'm there.
Maybe the third parties will have their own online (and can be free to charge) but your Nintendo account name will be the one they use for your online.
Of course this could mean free online gaming as opposed to paying for XBOX Live. If Nintendo gets decent online down for their core franchises and it's free? Oh man I'm there.
MTMBStudios said:
That's exactly how it's going to be. Nintendo will obviously have to have a system for their own games and for small guys. But for third parties, being able to independently sell DLC through their inhouse portal without handing out a 30 percent cut (or whatever the big guys pay) is their dream scenario. Certain gaffers just don't get how much the third parties would kill for this autonomy.
bgassassin
Member
Plinko said:
Could be. If the rumor is true then Nintendo will be providing the servers for the games and the devs can use it almost however they want. That way the devs don't have the burden of hosting the games, but still have the control they want on how to set it up.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Raide said:
That's what we'd like to think but it doesn't answer the question at all.
If this is what 3rd parties are telling Nintendo and saying, "Yes, we'll absolutely support your system if you let us do this," Nintendo will no doubt say, "No problem." They NEED big 3rd party support this time.
The way the rep focused on 3rd party input it is becoming clearer to me that this is what is happening.
dragonfart28
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linko9 said:
Shh.. This is jump to conclusions thread. Don't spoil the fun with logic.
FoneBone said:
The 3DS is already a separate network that is integrated into the UI. The network is already there, they just need to expand functionality.
People here think there won't even be any network at all, lol.
thezerofire
Banned
the fact that they didn't start working on it immediately after the Wii released is a little mind-bogglingAveron said:
Krowley said:
I'm not saying it will not be PC like, but Nintendo will have a basic online system in support for developers who cannot or do not want to create their own online system, for Nintendo's first party games, and if developers have their own online system to act as a hub account for those.
Black-Wind
Member
Thats ... pretty much what I gathered from it.DeaconKnowledge said:
IDK what to think ... they didn't really explain it as much as he just touched on it. :/
Emperor Bohe
Member
GregLombardi said:
ditto....as a wii owner, i will not settle for another weak online infrastructure. a great online service will make or break the console for me. otherwise, i'll pick up the Wii U when the generation after the next generation starts
So they are doing the PS2 approach to online?
Centralized online is (at least IMO) proven to be the best solution for online gaming when it comes to organizing content, unifying the experience, and connecting players. I look forward to hearing more about it, but it sounds like Nintendo missed the boat again.
Centralized online is (at least IMO) proven to be the best solution for online gaming when it comes to organizing content, unifying the experience, and connecting players. I look forward to hearing more about it, but it sounds like Nintendo missed the boat again.
AceBandage said:Glad you seem so concerned with where I'm at. Not creepy at all.
Anyway, I'll wait and see. It's pretty obvious he was aping what Reggie had said earlier but with a new spin, so there's nothing we can really take from it other than there's nothing set in stone yet.
You know I am kidding. We need you in threads to cancel out Mr. B Natural's constant posts on the awfulness of WiiU/Nintendo.