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[Brazil]

Fuck you, Nintendo. Seriously. You deserve nothing more than utter failure.

/nerdrage

Edit: Well, now that I've listened to the interview, it really isn't possible to draw conclusions such as the ones I had in my head when I read the thread title. Hell, Ubisoft has already said that we'll have Gamertag-like IDs, for example.

I'm still cautiously optimistic.

 

[Krowley]

I'm not saying it will not be PC like, but Nintendo will have a basic online system in support for developers who cannot or do not want to create their own online system, for Nintendo's first party games, and if developers have their own online system to act as a hub account for those.

Possibly, but they're clearly not going in the direction of xbox-live with a fully unified service, and some people think that is mandatory.

For the record, I personally don't give a shit one way or the other. PC-style online gaming will be totally fine with me. The best online games I've ever played were all PC experiences, and not having a unified system never caused any problems that I noticed.

 

[Effect]

Serious question: Does anybody else think 3rd parties are actually telling Nintendo that this is the type of system they want?

Possibly. They would want as much freedom as possible. As much freedom they have on the PC now with their own systems. The big publishers are moving away from Steam as they don't want that to be their only option. Where Steam makes the decisions. PSN or Live are the same way and currently the only options they have and those systems benefit Sony and Microsoft first and foremost.

 

[Man]

Worst generational leader ever.

Lets hope it ends with this one.

 

[Corky]

Shh.. This is jump to conclusions thread. Don't spoil the fun with logic.

Yeah, logic is telling me that whatever nintendo says about this seemingly ingenious onlinesystem will be totally revamped within 12 months and become something even BETTER given their prowess and past successes within online architecture.

 

[Jokeropia]

Reading the thread title, I expected two things:

1.) There was actually no explanation of the system at all but rather some ambiguous statements with no details.
2.) People would take the thread title as fact and jump to conclusions.

I feel like Nostradamus.

Sure, the fans did rightfully complain when smash bros brawl came out about the pathetic online, and good for them for doing it, but they bought the giant pile of mediocrity anyway, didn't they? AND they still justified their purchase and will by the next one regardless of quality and innovation and effort.

Are you just trolling or can you really not see the glaring fallacy in this statement?

 

[KoffiiKat]

Serious question: Does anybody else think 3rd parties are actually telling Nintendo that this is the type of system they want?

It may be what 3rd parties think they want. I don't doubt for a second that Nintendo is going to shaft the customer to make a quick buck if that's what they think this will accomplish.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Yeah, logic is telling me that whatever nintendo says about this seemingly ingenious onlinesystem will be totally revamped within 12 months and become something even BETTER given their prowess and past successes within online architecture.

Maybe their online architecture is set but they don't what to share it at this time.

 

[chubigans]

Konami ID

My heart stopped just reading that. One of the most frustrating things ever made.

 

[KrawlMan]

Could be. If the rumor is true then Nintendo will be providing the servers for the games and the devs can use it almost however they want. That way the devs don't have the burden of hosting the games, but still have the control they want on how to set it up.

Nintendo would be handling hosting other companies' multiplayer? Unless I'm not understanding you correctly, that sounds absurd.

 

[AceBandage]

I think it's interesting that people think Nintendo would willingly give up revenue from DLC and online games. I just don't see that happening.

 

[Raide]

That's what we'd like to think but it doesn't answer the question at all.

If this is what 3rd parties are telling Nintendo and saying, "Yes, we'll absolutely support your system if you let us do this," Nintendo will no doubt say, "No problem." They NEED big 3rd party support this time.

The way the rep focused on 3rd party input it is becoming clearer to me that this is what is happening.

I guess the biggest issue is how many things developers would actually want and if Nintendo can deliver on those needs. For some just the basics, for others they might want YouTube uploading, private party chat etc etc. Based on Nintendo's previous online abilities, it seems a stretch for them to be able to come up with a system that rivals or even beats PSN/XBL.

Time will tell but even a year+ out, they need to be able to convince people they know what they are doing.

 

[Plinko]

It may be what 3rd parties think they want. I don't doubt for a second that Nintendo is going to shaft the customer to make a quick buck if that's what they think this will accomplish.

What does this even mean?

 

[Alexios]

Are you just trolling or can you really not see the glaring fallacy in this statement?

Just trolling as usual, I mean, he joined a gameplay ideas discussion thread, not to offer ideas, but just to tell people their ideas all suck. Twice at that. Lol.

 

[ProtomanNeo]

Fuck you, Nintendo. Seriously. You deserve nothing more than utter failure.

/nerdrage

Neogaf come for the news. Stay for the meltdowns.

 

[SolarPowered]

I think I'm done with them.

 

[SolidSnakex]

If it is unified it's going to be interesting to see if Nintendo and Sony will allow players to play against each other. It's clearly what many companies want right now with Live and PSN, but that's never going to happen.

 

[Jinfash]

I think I'm done.

(If proven true) Me too.

CHECK PLEASE!

 

[AceBandage]

I think I'm done with them.

I always find it funny when people say things like this, because it's rarely ever true.

 

[Plinko]

I think I'm done with them.

I find these comments hilarious a year away from launch with no concrete details whatsoever.

Edit: Beaten by AB.

 

[Kai Dracon]

Serious question: Does anybody else think 3rd parties are actually telling Nintendo that this is the type of system they want?

Yes. Why wouldn't they? People have gone over the negatives of the current networks on the HD consoles.

Why d'ya think it was a big hairy deal when Valve got Steamworks on PSN? Because before then MS and Sony didn't want people having full access to their networks to do their own thing.

And everyone who's ever waited on crucial updates for busted games on Xbox Live, and ended up waiting for two months, has listened to developers try to sound diplomatic and not tear their hair out about working with Microsoft on stuff like that.

It's a lot simpler than some are making it out to be.

This benefits users and publishers:

A unified account, a friends list, cross game chat and game invites, and unified interface for advertisement and marketplace.

This ALSO benefits users and publishers:

The ability to maintain your own online service customized to exactly what you need to do and what individual games require, such as we see on the PC.

Steamworks on PSN aside, we do not have a platform that combines these two things exceptionally well, right now. Even though some publishers do run dedicated servers on Xbox Live, for example, there are still problems and limitations on distributing content, allowing users to have certain capabilities, and even maintaining your game.

 

[Azure Dream]

I find these comments hilarious a year away from launch with no concrete details whatsoever.

Edit: Beaten by AB.

Then maybe they should give us some concrete details, instead of forcing us to scrounge interviews and try to interpret vague wording?

 

[1-D_FTW]

What does this even mean?

I think it means he's not a fan. He's acknowledging the third parties would love this, and Nintendo is going to seize on this long sought desire by giving it to them in exchange for major third party support, but he's not a fan of the non-unified system. He feels shafted by this proposal.

 

[dragonfart28]

This thread should be saved for future crow.

 

[fly high ~ayunite~]

If they're talking about having a unified friends list/messaging service that the 3rd-parties are then able to link with on their own "account" (meaning no separate log-in/passwords required), then I have no problem with it.

I think this is what they're doing, I mean look at the 3DS that has the friend list that supports all games...doesn't seem like it's going to be too different from that.

Wow some of you are taking this kind of personally.

 

[AceBandage]

Then maybe they should give us some concrete details, instead of forcing us to scrounge interviews and try to interpret vague wording?

Yeah, because Nintendo's main concern is with the tiny sect of gamers who scrounge forums daily for the latest rumor and tidbit...

 

[Scalemail Ted]

I wonder how they plan to revise wiiware? I hope the wiiware api will supprt the tablet for indy game development. I also hope Nintendo makes the wiiware sdk more accessible.

 

[Jarmel]

Nintendo never ceases to fail. How hard is this shit?

 

[Vamphuntr]

Can't believe no one posted this yet.

 

[Rush2thestart]

Sounds like a jump to conclusions to me. Nintendo's obviously not going to give an official statement. Just chill and wait for when they are ready. E3 was for consumers to take-in the aspects of the controller, not for anything else...not even the games.

That will be for another event.

 

[bgassassin]

Nintendo would be handling hosting other companies' multiplayer? Unless I'm not understanding you correctly, that sounds absurd.

I mentioned it twice on the second page, but go here to understand it probably better than how I'm typing it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28505524&postcount=172

The rumor is in the video at the link. I originally said 15:45, but I guess 15:35 is more accurate.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

by the time they get it right the internet will be over.

 

[Camwi]

Fuck you, Nintendo. Seriously, how can they not see the success that Microsoft had with XBL?

Nintendo's already gotten the casual's onboard, well if you want the hardcore too, FUCKING COPY XBOX LIVE! DO IT!

 

[AceBandage]

by the time they get it right the internet will be over.

It already is.

 

[Azure J]

I just feel so damn ambivalent with regards to everything regarding this console. On one hand, I'm excited because it's new hardware and it will allow for Nintendo to go wild with their franchises and strengths like never before, but on the ohter hand, all of these moments of "err, sorry I just don't know what the fuck is final or not" that comes from them just leaves me in a perpetual state of "wat the actual fuck". All of the current analysis on it, whether merited, done well or laced with hyperbole here on GAF is just short circuiting on top of all this. Nintendo needs to just Reverse Song of Time like ASAP and redo their entire presentation regarding this console.

I can see that quite a bit of this was due to them being a bit early to the show with the system, but some things just need to be established and founded so when asked we get more than extended games of telephone with Nintendo reps with varying levels of knowledge on the system, third parties who are either NDA'd to hell and back or don't have anyone that can say something informed on the matter, and press who might ask and get most of the answer without revealing the whole picture. =/

 

[Replicant]

Its not really spin when it sounds close to what PSN already does.

WTF are you talking about? PSN has its own servers to deal with patching, DLC buying, and provide network infrastructure for multiplayer games where the publisher doesn't have one themselves (everyone but the big guns like EA or Ubisoft). It also has unified friends list, trophy system (where everything is backed up to their server). Does this sound like what Nintendo suggesting in that interview to you?

 

[jehuty]

How big is online gaming in Japan? Serious question. The reason I ask is because i'm
starting to remember a very important facet of Nintendo's mission. They are a Japanese company first and they cater mostly everything they make to the Japanese audience first. Nintendo knows it can copy was Microsoft and Sony does in regards to hardware and online features. That's fairly easy to do, but what Nintendo is trying to do is reverse the downward trend that thee Japanese gaming industry has been going in for the last decade plus.

Look at the controller for the WiiU, you can basically tell that it was developed with the Japanese audience in mind. So hopefully someone that is well versed in this area can tell us, how important is online play for the Japanese? Cause the answer will determine just how much effort Nintendo will put into its online component.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Why did you say check that box Reggie?

I think I'm also done with Nintendo. I'll just continue with MS until I see them pull it together.

 

[Azure Dream]

Yeah, because Nintendo's main concern is with the tiny sect of gamers who scrounge forums daily for the latest rumor and tidbit...

Their main concern should be being able to provide answers to the questions most serious journalists were asking them when teased with vague descriptions of the online system without any real details. And either because they couldn't, or they wouldn't, they refused to.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Relax, we don't really know anything about their online plans yet.

What we do know, however, is that Nintendo needs to get better at communicating with the media and their fans about their plans. As it is now, there are still people who think Wii U is just a new controller, and now this guy who sounds like he's got no real idea about what their online plans actally are.

Wouldn't surprise me if their online strategy was some half-baked shit though.

 

[J-Rock]

Uh, I think he's talking about philosophy, not actual implementation.Sounds to me like he's saying Nintendo will listen to what 3rd parties want instead of saying "here it is, you're on your own."

That's how it came off to me too. Sounds like basic PR talk to me. Not legit technical details.

Online gaming is very important to us and we've heard the demands of veteran gamers that want that. So we're going to be more open with gaming this time when it comes to online. We're gonna work with our third party partners. We're not gonna have a centralized "one size fits all" type of online gaming approach. It's gonna be more of the publishers figuring out what they want to do and then we'll try and work to bring that to life and make sure out platform can support that vision.

 

[KrawlMan]

I mentioned it twice on the second page, but go here to understand it probably better than how I'm typing it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28505524&postcount=172

The rumor is in the video at the link. I originally said 15:45, but I guess 15:35 is more accurate.

Thanks for posting that. Personally I despise most of the stuff from Hip Hop Gamer just because I feel like he goes for some insanely sensationalist or bs headlines just to get the hits. Regardless the rumor he presented sounds nice enough.

 

[EDarkness]

My impression of what he said in the video was that they're going to have the core infrastructure, but if someone wants to play FFXIV or any other MMO, then the network will easily facilitate that. Same with things like connecting to EA's network without any hassle. There will have to be a unified account, because we'll still need to connect to the eShop and there will be friends list and such. I think what they're really getting at is that the Wii online system was fairly rigid and not meshed with the console as it should be, and the Wii U system will be more flexible and open depending on what the publisher wants. The basic system will be there for developers who need it. Don't forget that Nintendo's own games will be online as well, so small developers will be taken care of.

Ultimately, I think they're just talking about removing the barriers of entry they had before. Publishers obviously like this idea.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Their main concern should be being able to provide answers to the questions most serious journalists were asking them when teased with vague descriptions of the online system without any real details. And either because they couldn't, or they wouldn't, they refused to.

If I'm in Nintendo's boots and I have a competitive market ahead of me I'll happily keep my mouth zipped until I'm close enough.

 

[Jarmel]

How big is online gaming in Japan? Serious question. The reason I ask is because i'm
starting to remember a very important facet of Nintendo's mission. They are a Japanese company first and they cater mostly everything they make to the Japanese audience first. Nintendo knows it can copy was Microsoft and Sony does in regards to hardware and online features. That's fairly easy to do, but what Nintendo is trying to do is reverse the downward trend that thee Japanese gaming industry has been going in for the last decade plus.

Look at the controller for the WiiU, you can basically tell that it was developed with the Japanese audience in mind. So hopefully someone that is well versed in this area can tell us, how important is online play for the Japanese? Cause the answer will determine just how much effort Nintendo will put into its online component.

FPS's aren't anywhere near as big as the USA and so you can guess where online FPS is on the chain of importance.

 

[wsippel]

OP edited with transcript (thanks Truth101), maybe I really got it wrong and Nintendo is actually creating an unified online system based on 3rd party input.

 

[shadyspace]

Reggie calling PSN "rigid" and the Wii U's online "flexible" is as cut-and-dry of an answer you can get.

 

[Jinfash]

This thread should be saved for future crow.

Well fart, I know where you're coming from, but you can't possibly fault people for acting like this. An issue of this importance should prioritized, especially given previous statements regarding online implementation and learned lessons. Maybe it's still early to divulge any plans, but I fully support these kinds of rumors and discussions if only to twist arms into publicly denying it.

 

[J-Rock]

My impression of what he said in the video was that they're going to have the core infrastructure, but if someone wants to play FFXIV or any other MMO, then the network will easily facilitate that. Same with things like connecting to EA's network without any hassle. There will have to be a unified account, because we'll still need to connect to the eShop and there will be friends list and such. I think what they're really getting at is that the Wii online system was fairly rigid and not meshed with the console as it should be, and the Wii U system will be more flexible and open depending on what the publisher wants. The basic system will be there for developers who need it. Don't forget that Nintendo's own games will be online as well, so small developers will be taken care of.

Ultimately, I think they're just talking about removing the barriers of entry they had before. Publishers obviously like this idea.

Exactly. The 3DS hints at some of this.

 

[Vic]

These utterly fucking ambiguous infos coming from Nintendo about this new console is pissing me off.