Even if Wii U fails (which is far from being a sure thing), Nintendo will still be able to survive as a company due to its warchest, unlike Sega.
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Nintendo feels Wind Waker HD can be a Wii U system seller
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Even if Wii U fails (which is far from being a sure thing), Nintendo will still be able to survive as a company due to its warchest, unlike Sega.
well this is sort of what I was saying original that most people stopped playing on their wii and Zelda is more aimed at the "hardcore" gamers who stopped playing on their wiis long before the causal gamers abandoned it.
WW has gone from the ginger kid of the family to some kind of top tier Zelda title.
The main reason for this is clearly that a lot of people played it as kids and enjoyed it because it was pretty much "my first zelda". Complete lack of content and challenge.
The one thing that needed fixing has been left untouched. A criminally low amount of Dungeons.
BTW, I wasn't one of the haters on WW in 2001. I remember the hate it got before it was released on here. I gave it a chance and was looking forward to it. But it was the beginning of the end of the series.
Nintendo just doesn't have the will power to make the Zelda game we deserve (massive open world etc)
I am just amazed at the naysayers in this thread. There is a pretty dedicated Zelda fanbase out there that is separate and apart from the Nintendo fanbase.
So, no, people who want WWHD do not have a WiiU already, at least not all of them.
You could slap a Hylian crest on a piece of shit and sell it for $50 to some people.
Captin Quacker
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no doubt Nintendo will survive the Wii U the question is whether or not they'll learn from there mistakes with the Wii U
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kittens
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I know a ton of people who are hyped for WWHD. It's been pretty surprising to me. And yeah, a few of these people are buying Wii Us for it.
Thought you wanted to imply that they would return to Wii U for WW HD. But I guess we agree on this topic then.
Or a Ganondorf plastic figurine for €150 (imagine me smiling right now).
I think a lot of younger gamers started playing on ps2 onwards (some even started on 360/ps3) so this is the first time they have had the chance to play wind waker
dat salt
Its Zelda. The gameplay is timeless, the art style for this entry blows modern games out of the water, and there has been some really cool additions. The miiverse S.O.S. bottles are so addicting, as are the selfies.
I'm sorry you are upset people like to play Nintendo games.
Fox Mulder
Member
I wonder how things would be different if the wiiu launched a year earlier with SS as a launch title.
shinra-bansho
Member
It's trending significantly below the PS3 everywhere but Japan.
It's half a million units behind in the US, launch aligned. The less said about Europe the better.
As noted above, it's trending below the Dreamcast in the US right now. Thunder Monkey's assessment seems about right - getting to or past GCN levels is probably a more reasonable goal than 35 or 50M units.
The WiiU has already failed.
Nobody is saying this will kill Nintendo though. The question is if they´ll ever get their shit together again in the console market or if they opt out.
That blind devotion to the Nintendo doom cult.
Nintendo has a pretty killer line-up for the Holidays and the consensus opinion on GAF and other websites regarding the WiiU has already started to shift.
This is exactly what happened with the 3DS before it started doing well.
To claim that it "has already failed" is simply foolish.
PaulExcellent
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If it had more advertisement pushed behind it, then yeah. It could.
Hell, I want one because of Wind Waker. (The bundle? Not so much anymore. >.>)
I think that the WiiU needs better exposure like now. The bundles are a great strategy, and the WiiU Deluxe becoming the only WiiU device really helps, too. Stiil, Nintendo needs to push some ads for their big games.
Just a simple "Wii would like to play with U" or something. Show off the game, the touchscreen features, the graphics, etc.
Nintendo CAN make Wind Waker a system seller. It just needs to back it up first.
Hell, I want one because of Wind Waker. (The bundle? Not so much anymore. >.>)
I think that the WiiU needs better exposure like now. The bundles are a great strategy, and the WiiU Deluxe becoming the only WiiU device really helps, too. Stiil, Nintendo needs to push some ads for their big games.
Just a simple "Wii would like to play with U" or something. Show off the game, the touchscreen features, the graphics, etc.
Nintendo CAN make Wind Waker a system seller. It just needs to back it up first.
Really? Consensus that there will be a shift to Dreamcast numbers?
No they don´t. They have the same old games that most people stopped giving a shit about 15 years ago.
But they are on the road to console irrelevancy which is pretty fucking hard to fix.
CambriaRising
Member
Uh, Nintendo. We need to talk.
balladofwindfishes
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I bought a WiiU last friday to play Wind Waker HD. I probably would have waited a lot longer to get one, but I liked the bundle a lot and thought it was a good deal.
Wii Fit and DKCR sold pretty well 3 years ago. So you should think about the number "15" again and perhaps adjust it.
I mean the reverse is true as well
It's a 10 year old game, which is about 2 console generations.
And the Gamecube was at the time Nintendo's worst selling home console.
Means, there are millions of people who have either gotten into gaming in that time or skipped out because they didn't have a GameCube so it is new to some folks.
And while the Wii had BC with GCN, I assume Nintendo wasn't printing many new copies of this game. So there's a possibility that even with the growth of the Wii and success of TP, people didn't go back and pick it up.
I'm not saying it's gonna be this huge seller, but I think 10 + years is a reasonable time window if you want to re-release someting.
Now if this was Skyward Sword... that would be strange.
Many people don´t get that money isn´t really Nintendos problem at this point but market relevancy. If they lose it their done, with or without 10 billion on the bank.
Remember when people were predicting doom for the PS3 in light of its disastrous first year and the "599 US dollars" debacle? It's not out of the realm of possibility for the Wii U to salvage itself out of its terrible launch.
Interceptor
Banned
Sure they do. If you like it or not. ^^
The rest of your "comment" is just plain trolling without substance.
LOL, sure thing buddy. Opinions and everything.
I also find it bizarre the amount of time you spend in Nintendo threads for games "people stopped giving a shit about 15 years ago."
We already know that price isn't the problem of the Wii U, it's the games and the services provided on the system. I think it's questionable that people will bite for "Wii More" games, games that are basically look and play the same as their Wii iterations. Perhaps I will be proven wrong, but there's currently no evidence that sales will improve dramatically.
*raises hand*
I didn't have a GameCube. I was also introduced to the Zelda series pretty late.
Wasn´t really talking about WiiFit because that franchise is even more irrelevant than Mario, Zelda and DK at this point.
And DKCR sold what? 5 to 6 million to a userbase of over 80 million? That´s more than 20 times the userbase the WiiU has now.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Yeah, that's not open for debate. Nintendo would survive WiiU if it only sold 10 million units over five years.
Much better!
I can agree with your assessment on challenge and content. A good chunk of the game was spent just sailing. Far from the most entertaining way of traversing the world. Challenge I think to a degree would be made up for with hero mode being usable from the outset, but the lack of content will always be a problem with Wind Waker.
I disagree with the idea that Zelda needs to be a massive open world title though. Maybe a large world with dungeons seamlessly woven into the world around you. Closer to TP and SS having a baby, but without the superfluous additions shoehorned in. I loved the dungeons of both TP and SS, but neither did it right. TP because of the GC/Wii technical capability had a large but very barren world, SS had a dungeon structure that was naturally interwoven into the world... but a distinct lack of overworld.
I'd like to see a melding of the two.
Or XBox360's second wind with Kinect.
Spieler Eins
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It's one of the worst lineups they ever had. Maybe not as bad as Wii Music christmas, but still pretty bad. Maybe you're satisfied with Nintendo putting less than the minimum effort into their first HD console (even shitting on the mainline Mario legacy without shame), because the higher ups were too incompentent ever since the Wii died, but that's not gonna reflect in the mainstream.
Literally the whole holiday lineup looks like either 3DS- and/or last gen games - unless you do side by side comparisons, which just proves the point. Families will go for the much cheaper and superior 3DS, maybe even the original Wii, rather than getting the overpriced WiiU which doesn't have a single unique experience (Sonic could have been an argument, but wait, also getting a 3DS version) but still charges 100$ more for that redundant ass gamepad.
It's on a smaller scale, but you could already see it with Monster Hunter and Lego City which only sold somewhat acceptable on the 3DS, even though the versions were inferior. Because the 3DS is a good system, while the WiiU can not offer anything that's not available through more attractive options.
I think DKCR2 will sell pretty in relation to the Wii userbase. Should achieve 60-70% of NSMB U sales; those people will probably want the newest Nintendo game six months after NSLU.
FinalFanXtreme
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I personally think WWHD is a system seller. I am at the end and it's one of the best looking and playing games ever. They've made some great strides over the GameCube version and its honestly worth $60 instead of the $50
So Mario, the best selling franchise in HISTORY and in the LAST GENERATION, is now irrelevant?
WHAT???
Herbspiceguy
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I think releasing and bundling Wind Waker HD was a good move.
If there is any Legend of Zelda game that is able to draw in a large, younger audience, with the potential to cultivate a new generation of Zelda fans it's Wind Waker.
Yet GAF keeps talking about old/nostalgic gamers...
If there is any Legend of Zelda game that is able to draw in a large, younger audience, with the potential to cultivate a new generation of Zelda fans it's Wind Waker.
Yet GAF keeps talking about old/nostalgic gamers...
Believe what you want, we can to talk about this after christmas again.
The problem with the WiiU is the perceived value of the system. It has shit third party support and shit online features/infrastructure compared to its competitors.
PaulExcellent
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Hai.
And it doesn't matter if it's a 10-year-old game.
I would pay like, $100 right now for a MM2 remake.
Time does not equal "obsolete". Especially when you talk about Wind Waker.
shinra-bansho
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Sony sunk billions into turning around the PS3 - something that Nintendo seems more reluctant to do.
They were at an exorbitant price, that was the key rate-limiting step in adoption. There doesn't seem to be significant demand, even with considerable changes in price - at least in observation of the UK.
Further to that, the PS3 had the weight of the collective industry behind it in terms of third party support. The last vestiges (WBIE, Ubisoft) of the core support the system has will likely evaporate after this year.
And the PS3 was never selling this poorly, even at $599.
But ymmv on what one considers salvaged or a turnaround from the current situation.
I was not going to buy wwhd, then they showed that damn figurine........damn you nintendo
It´s pretty irrelevant on consoles now, yes.
PaulExcellent
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How come?
I mean, quite a few people liked Galaxy and Galaxy 2.
I liked 3D Land better, but whatevs. lol
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Maybe not irrelevant, but not holding the clout even I thought he had after his Wii showings.
NSMBWii sold in excess of 25 million units. NSMBU isn't likely to hit that number after 10-15 years on shelves. It's sold to a large number of WiiU owners, but is not selling the console to others. This makes me think two things. Either NSMBU is not as great a title as NSMBWii... or the more likely the popularity of Nintendo properties is intrinsically linked to the popularity of their hardware. WiiU flounders, Mario is not the huge draw he was such a short time before.
equippedwithtowel
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You need to rent out a theater because nothing else can handle the amount of projecting you're doing right now.
When was the last time a "new" experience drove system sales more then refined popular properties to an established audience?
Yes, I only bought some Wind Waker HD LEs because of people like you - after seeing that it sold out at a few places. Now it's completely sold out. Prices are already all over the place, even though it's not out yet. Crazy!