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Nintendo files patent application for stationary game console without optical disk
GustyGardens
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A blu-ray disc of comparable size can be had for $55. If Nintendo is bringing back cartridges, they might be on to something. I can even see the competition moving to similar storage devices eventually.
Discomurf
Member
Hmmm.... I know everyone is all down on the 'screen controller'... but what if the screen on the controller is not a rectangle (like Wii U) but rather something more form fitting - that's shaped around the button and stick configuration...
Check It out:
Report: Nintendo eyeing shape-shifting LCD screens from Sharp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDWqFw4UDM
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Check It out:
Report: Nintendo eyeing shape-shifting LCD screens from Sharp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDWqFw4UDM
Booker.DeWitt
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really weird. Why carts??? does not make any sense
I'm wondering if it's a similar thing to 3DS for Smash where the main controller is a regular controller and the handheld can be used as a controller as well
God I hope do. They need help increasing their emulation output for older games.
I think it might make more sense for the controller to be a "dumb" version of the handheld using the same screen, buttons, etc. to cut down on costs. That would be cheaper than forcing people to buy both handheld/console and you could still allow the handheld to be used as a controller anyway.-
metalslimer
Member
What are you talking about. Discs are still far cheaper than flash media.
ErrorMacro
Member
I few years back and I would be reaaaally pissed about a digital only console. Nowadays, every game I buy for the Wii U is digital (more out of necessity than anything), so it would not make much difference for me.
I actually wouldn't mind if they go back to non-optical media.
It's not like I'm putting my Wii U disc on a PC.
RPGCrazied
Member
If this is it, this is the first Nintendo console I don't buy. I don't care what the games are. I want my physical media.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
The screen could literally be any size, why yall love jumping to conclusions.jpg?
How does critical thinking work? Cartridges would be much cheaper than propriety bluray and a bluray drives in every console. They don't need to raise their games from 60-85 to make a profit.
If it's not for emulation could it not simply be a hardware based solution for determining what quality to render the games?
ArchedThunder
Banned
I don't think the memory card is supposed to be a game card, "Game Program" is only listed on the hard drive part of the diagram.
I wouldn't be surprised if they released a PSTV type system later on that just uses the innards of the NX handheld and is marketed primarily as a VC machine sold at around $99.
...have you never used a DS before?
It would be flash media like the DS, 3DS and Vita carts, not ram/rom boards that the N64 used.
It won't be a cartridge. Not a chance in hell - don't confuse the two.
sixteen-bit
Member
Diggin in the carts
But aren't bigger SD cards expensive as shit?
I thought DS/3DS were MaskROM or something? Am I misremembering?
lol no
£29.99 on amazon for a 128gb SD, only a few quid more for a micro SD version
They are STUPIDLY cheap.
They are, the Vita is more what I'm getting at. Just trying to simplify the comparison between the carts of old.
With the right DRM, couldn't you separate the physical card from the actual game license?
Instead of buying a SD card for every game, you buy a Nintendo card, take it to Gamestop, get a card off the shelf, take it to the counter, they load the game on the SD card with the software key (this is the old Famicom Disk System model, basically).
You have it on the SD card now and can link it to your NX account and have the ability to transfer the game to that media card at will.
Obviously you can also download the game to your console as well digitally and do the same thing.
Instead of buying a SD card for every game, you buy a Nintendo card, take it to Gamestop, get a card off the shelf, take it to the counter, they load the game on the SD card with the software key (this is the old Famicom Disk System model, basically).
You have it on the SD card now and can link it to your NX account and have the ability to transfer the game to that media card at will.
Obviously you can also download the game to your console as well digitally and do the same thing.
Fourth Storm
Member
I agree. I think we're talking SD cards here, people.
But "first memory" seems to describe what can only be a SSD! Man, that would be awesome. Nintendo used to focus on load times, but abandoned it somewhat w/ Wii and moreso w/ Wii U.
NX may finally mark a return to fast load speeds!
TheXfactor
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have yall never seen the 3ds, ds, and vita cartridges, this isn't the 90s anymore. lol
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
It actually makes sense to move to a flash based medium as flash memory continually can store more and costs less.
Discs are nice and all, but the load times still suck, disc drives take up a lot of space and generate heat.
I wouldn't mind if the PS5 used flash carts. Hopefully by then 128GB and higher flash will be as cheap as discs.
Discs are nice and all, but the load times still suck, disc drives take up a lot of space and generate heat.
I wouldn't mind if the PS5 used flash carts. Hopefully by then 128GB and higher flash will be as cheap as discs.
GustyGardens
Banned
I'm not implying that it'll happen tomorrow. All I'm saying is that if Nintendo manage to produce an affordable cartridge, which they already have, and it's able to contain the same amount of data as its optical counterparts, then I can see it happening.
Mind you, the successors to the Xbox and Playstation are pretty far in the distance.
PushDustIn
Member
Could this be a return to the initial concept of the N64 Dd?
Being able to read and write whole game worlds opens a lot of gameplay possibilities. In that regard, a memory card based or cart system can be way more powerful than a disc.
It would also explain why it has two programs. One for the base data, the second for the modifications.
Maintenance
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Carts? Really? Wow.
Even though 95% of my 3DS games and 90% of my Wii U games are digital, I wouldn't want a digital-only system.
EDIT: Class 4 SD 128GB isn't expensive IIRC, but for my 128GB Class U1 MicroSDXC I paid a lot.
Even though 95% of my 3DS games and 90% of my Wii U games are digital, I wouldn't want a digital-only system.
EDIT: Class 4 SD 128GB isn't expensive IIRC, but for my 128GB Class U1 MicroSDXC I paid a lot.
Not at Best Buy. They run around $80.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Physical media already has a foot in the grave, but I don't think Nintendo wants to take the risk of pushing it in. Especially after the Xbox One was blasted for trying.
Then don't shop at best buy!! Of course retail will be expensive as shit.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008AN1C1A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
$39.99 for a 128gb. And that's consumer sale, they cost very little to manufacture in bulk.
I'm guessing Nintendo could get a better deal by working closely with a manufacturer.
But it will always be more expensive than a bluray disc, no way around that.
Fourth Storm
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Also, if this patent is true...Nintendo could use technology similar to Xbone in order to emulate Wii U games. One of the major factors that makes Xbone's BC possible is the speed advantage of caching to HDD vs reading off an optical disc. It gives them leeway in the translation process it seems...
SD cards are stupid expensive in UK supermarkets and retailers like Currys/PC World too but they can be had for cheap online and the cost would be even cheaper business to business.
Lol, the trauma of those N64 cartridges still haunt me. If it is a cartridge like the current handhelds use, it is ok.
Sounds like you never had a NES
Hmmm.... I know everyone is all down on the 'screen controller'... but what if the screen on the controller is not a rectangle (like Wii U) but rather something more form fitting - that's shaped around the button and stick configuration...
Check It out:
Report: Nintendo eyeing shape-shifting LCD screens from Sharp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDWqFw4UDM
Nintendo also has some interest/involvement in this if I am not mistaken...
OT: Carts I'm down...
Kinda screws over people who bought Wii U games at retail.
But there are benefits, mainly with loading times & the ability to share the physical format with the handheld.