Heavy's Sandvich
Member
I haven't seen one person in the GAF Tourney lobby in weeks.
We do play, it does happen. Just have to keep an eye on the thread and join when others are there.
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Nintendo killed Mario Kart 8 Community
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We do play, it does happen. Just have to keep an eye on the thread and join when others are there.
but that's usually US time which sucks for the rest of the world
HypnoDarkrai
Member
Come to GAF's tournament where points don't matter only just how badly you screwed over the person in front of you.
There are 3 in the frantic lobby.
Edit: 5 now
There are 3 in the frantic lobby.
Edit: 5 now
Ban Puncher
Member
Guess what? I'm heading to Smash lololNo surprise, at all.
Frantic? I need to check the OT then.
I think there are also people that will prefer the new system as the points will be more skill based and less pure time investment. This also means player matching will be better for all the new players that are joining now, around Black Friday, around Christmas and when DLC drops.
I stopped caring about the points on the old system since they didn't feel earned/based off of skill. So I'm actually excited to play online again.
Incitemaybe
Member
The point system seems better now, I'm not just racking 'en up cause I play often.
Also, I don't care about points, it's more a reflection of how I did rather than something I want to amass.
Also, funny thread title. I thought something of consequence had happened.
Also, I don't care about points, it's more a reflection of how I did rather than something I want to amass.
Also, funny thread title. I thought something of consequence had happened.
Did you read the thread or just the title?
entremet
Member
I actually don't play online lol. Local only for me.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I've only played in GAF rooms and with friends, my score is probably low as hell as I don't play with randoms.
Could someone please explain what exactly did they change in the scoring system?
I swear I can't tell the difference... (on the other hand, it's pretty clear they messed up something with the online: i keep getting joined to rooms that are already full like it used to be in the early post-launch days, then they patched it - you were warned directly at the kart selection screen that it wasn't possibile to join - and now they revert it again to the previous behaviour?! wth!?)
I swear I can't tell the difference... (on the other hand, it's pretty clear they messed up something with the online: i keep getting joined to rooms that are already full like it used to be in the early post-launch days, then they patched it - you were warned directly at the kart selection screen that it wasn't possibile to join - and now they revert it again to the previous behaviour?! wth!?)
Shin Kojima
Banned
Nintendo is just weeding out the people who take this shit way too seriously.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
I was playing a bunch yesterday and saw no one drop. I also finished 6th in one race and still got + points. I haven't noticed much of a difference myself. Also, stop playing because you don't want to lose points is kind of counter-productive. Just play the game if you want to play the game.
What does that have to do with anything though? 8000 is not even remotely close to 99999.
What does that have to do with anything though? 8000 is not even remotely close to 99999.
You left out the part where you were competing in a room with people with much lower VR score.
I didn't see people dropping out because losing, I even had like 10-12 races with the same people in a room, very frantic and competitive.
I actually like the new scoring system, it's more about skills now rather than playing average as many hours as you can and ramp up the score.
I didn't see people dropping out because losing, I even had like 10-12 races with the same people in a room, very frantic and competitive.
I actually like the new scoring system, it's more about skills now rather than playing average as many hours as you can and ramp up the score.
lmao
you definitely do. just follow the latest page and see what everyone else is doing.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Then the new thing is having the least-negative points? Arbitrary scale is arbitrary scale.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
No, he's racing in a low VR room. Might want to read some other posts too.
current point system really is terrible and I wish they made this game more competitive. I wish that you played a cup instead to see who have most points after 4 matches.
But hey it is the same game who has predefined text-messages and no voice chat so nintendo dont gick a fuck about online community.
But hey it is the same game who has predefined text-messages and no voice chat so nintendo dont gick a fuck about online community.
Herb Alpert
Banned
I... didn't see the difference since the update... My VR points seem to rise at the same pace than before.
When you lose to people lower than you, you lose points. When you beat people stronger than you, you gain points. The other day I was racing with 4 people. I was at around 3500. The other were all at 4000 or more. The few times I managed to win, I gained a lot (32 point being the most I saw), and when I was last, I didn't lose so much.
So the VR are pretty meaningless, but they are used for matchmaking, and often, you can have a glimpse of how skilled your opponents are before the race. Ok, It is not perfect. But I like it, even if it has a "dick measure contest" side. One thing I dislike is the fact that the star-ranking is gone. I was really disappointed whan I finally managed to earn 3 stars at each cup and I saw that absolutely nothing happened. I wish It had unlock something or at least it can be seen next to my name online so I can boast a little
. I mean, the golden wheel still appear online...
When you lose to people lower than you, you lose points. When you beat people stronger than you, you gain points. The other day I was racing with 4 people. I was at around 3500. The other were all at 4000 or more. The few times I managed to win, I gained a lot (32 point being the most I saw), and when I was last, I didn't lose so much.
So the VR are pretty meaningless, but they are used for matchmaking, and often, you can have a glimpse of how skilled your opponents are before the race. Ok, It is not perfect. But I like it, even if it has a "dick measure contest" side. One thing I dislike is the fact that the star-ranking is gone. I was really disappointed whan I finally managed to earn 3 stars at each cup and I saw that absolutely nothing happened. I wish It had unlock something or at least it can be seen next to my name online so I can boast a little
. I mean, the golden wheel still appear online...Garrett Hawke
Member
Haven't noticed anything about points - my issue is the netcode.
I know 100% sure that I'm not lagging - I'm right beside my wifi point and I have 100mb/s DL - but other people will pop in all over the place. It's especially irritating when someone pops in right beside me with a ring of green shells that I would've avoided, had they been in the right position.
I know 100% sure that I'm not lagging - I'm right beside my wifi point and I have 100mb/s DL - but other people will pop in all over the place. It's especially irritating when someone pops in right beside me with a ring of green shells that I would've avoided, had they been in the right position.
Orniletter
Banned
It is fascinating how much some people want to rack up on literally useless points just because.
It reminds me of the early-Miiverse "pls Yeah! my post and I´ll Yeah 5 back " Yeah-hunting-posts.
I don´t get it. I haven´t even noticed the changes, but I´m only around 1900 VR points in Mario Kart.
It reminds me of the early-Miiverse "pls Yeah! my post and I´ll Yeah 5 back " Yeah-hunting-posts.
I don´t get it. I haven´t even noticed the changes, but I´m only around 1900 VR points in Mario Kart.
If you have high points from the old system and you're now losing a lot, it's probably because your points were inflated past the point you should be at.
I don't really care about the points, but a score system based around just playing a lot (which the old one was) isn't a real accurate representation of skill.
I don't really care about the points, but a score system based around just playing a lot (which the old one was) isn't a real accurate representation of skill.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Look, I understand both preferences. Everyone plays a game for fun. Some people are a bit more competitive and strive for certain goals. As a player who spends their entire time online playing solo, I love having the points as a metric to see how I'm doing. Accumulating points means that I'm at least winning more often than not. Trying to win is why sports work and are so popular. Take away any kind of championship or playoff in sports and people would stop watching and the sports would fail. The carrot dangling on a stick is fun. I don't think there is anything elitist about either side, though. People become elitist when they decide what should and shouldn't be fun for other people.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
Pro tip: Win all the time. I didn't even realize the scoring had changed. Sounds better now though.
All Hail C-Webb
Hailing from the Chill-Web
This thread is hilarious. Are people missing that Top Hat is the one who had an issue with Club Nintendo points? I think he's got an addiction.
I much prefer the new method. Points based on skill, not time commitment. Makes perfect sense with Nintendo wanting to continue to bring in New players.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
If you play a race online with 12 people in total, and everyone else has a higher score than you and you finish in 11th place, I'm fairly certain you'd still get + points (at least pre-patch). Mario Kart is (was?) extremely forgiving so using points as a metric doesn't really work all that well imo.
I'm in the "play for fun" camp when it comes to MK though, however I do always strife for first-place of course (and usually get it :3).
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
This so much. I frequented watching a NicoNico streamer that played a lot of regional races to the point of rooms usually filling up with most 9999s; she continued to play a ton after hitting the cap. After the patch, she fell to the 8000s.
Get better friends. Also I doubt that people are leaving anytime they see someone higher ranked than themselves cause it'd be a pain to quit a lobby to just go back into a different one every time you play.
If people are scared of playing against better people and losing points against them, they'll never get better themselves.
How exactly did it "kill the community"? Maybe it lost your little group of friends but that's hardly "the community". Everyone I know doesn't play for points, so clearly there is no "community" consensus on this.
The only thing the points use to show before was that someone played Mario Kart 8 a lot, it didn't mean you were good (though, playing a lot usually means you're better). The new system sounds more challenging and is fairer to new players and players who only play say on weekends (like me). So new players won't have to grind for months to whatever day-one players reached to play against them. See it like this: It's not just punishing good players, it's also punishing bad players (and more so).
The only thing the points use to show before was that someone played Mario Kart 8 a lot, it didn't mean you were good (though, playing a lot usually means you're better). The new system sounds more challenging and is fairer to new players and players who only play say on weekends (like me). So new players won't have to grind for months to whatever day-one players reached to play against them. See it like this: It's not just punishing good players, it's also punishing bad players (and more so).
Altered Juice
Member
itt: casuals
This new system makes it more competitive, not less. You used to get points basically for nothing, as long as you had all the time in the world to play, you'd get max VR, not to mention it would screw up matchmaking.
Now, points don't come so easily, especially if you're playing against lower VRs, a win is more rewarding than it was before. I'm not saying it's perfect, it could probably be tweaked, but as a whole, I think it makes sense,
But they have voice chat in lobbies.
Why are you comparing a games online to a consoles? Would it not be more logical to compare the online lobbies/chat of Mario Kart to say Titanfall?
I agree. The new points system is terrible for people with high VR. That being said, I myself just don't care about it anymore. It's about fun anyways, so...
I'm much stronger bothered by the heavy dominance. Compared to MK7, the cart-driver combinations are less, because too many cart parts have the same stats. There is really not much room for experimentation.
In MK7 you could actually find out new, viable cart-driver combinations over time. I've seen light-weight combinations as well as heavy-combinations with very high VR in MK7 that could actually compete with each other.
Sadly, I think MK8 is already completely figured out in that department.
Than there is still the fact that Bikes are unbalanced. They really are, because even with the heaviest characters on them, you can drive PERFECT lines without getting slower. They also get the same boost than regular carts, but have smaller hit boxes, which both make them harder to hit and give them an advantage using certian narrow shortcuts. I it weren't for Firehopping, you'd only see bikes in MK8 online.
I'm much stronger bothered by the heavy dominance. Compared to MK7, the cart-driver combinations are less, because too many cart parts have the same stats. There is really not much room for experimentation.
In MK7 you could actually find out new, viable cart-driver combinations over time. I've seen light-weight combinations as well as heavy-combinations with very high VR in MK7 that could actually compete with each other.
Sadly, I think MK8 is already completely figured out in that department.
Than there is still the fact that Bikes are unbalanced. They really are, because even with the heaviest characters on them, you can drive PERFECT lines without getting slower. They also get the same boost than regular carts, but have smaller hit boxes, which both make them harder to hit and give them an advantage using certian narrow shortcuts. I it weren't for Firehopping, you'd only see bikes in MK8 online.
PotionBleue
Member
This is an ELO-rating-based system similar to the one Nintendo used in Mario Kart Wii except :
- there's no more 9999 limit
- you start at 1000 points instead of 5000
- the range of points given per race is much smaller (+100/-150 in Mario Kart Wii, while it's more like +20/-25 in Mario Kart 8)
Guess what, it didn't stop people from playing Mario Kart Wii online.
→If you care about points, play with people that have a points counter near yours, for example by adding friends or joining people via the “Recently Played” list.
→→If you still manage to lose points, you're just bad at the game.
- there's no more 9999 limit
- you start at 1000 points instead of 5000
- the range of points given per race is much smaller (+100/-150 in Mario Kart Wii, while it's more like +20/-25 in Mario Kart 8)
Guess what, it didn't stop people from playing Mario Kart Wii online.
→If you care about points, play with people that have a points counter near yours, for example by adding friends or joining people via the “Recently Played” list.
→→If you still manage to lose points, you're just bad at the game.
It is probably a very large majority that this is true for. Filling bars, gaining experience, etc, I would argue, is one of the main design pillars of modern games. Goals, rewards, and progress are pretty fundamental, and it is really weird to argue otherwise or to pretend that this isn't the norm for most gamers.
I think Ninty needs to be cut a bit of slack though. They do not have a lot of experience here, and are experimenting. And it is better to fuck up MK8 than smash, imo.
Mario Kart is intended for fun and nothing more. I don't know anyone who cares about ranking up points or increasing their rank to be honest. If you want to be this "leet MLG e-sports pro" go play Counterstrike or DOTA, but don't bring that crappy attitude to Mario Kart please.
Thank you.
Thank you.
SuperLoserPeen2
Neo Member
Eh. I got mixed feelings about the VR system before and after the update.
The old VR system shows how long you've been playing the game.
The new VR system actually shows how good you are.
Sure feels satisfying getting a lot of points for winning before and after the update.
But in post update, you losing a lot of points (to people who have lower VR points than you) because of constant hits by items feels like being kicked while you're still down.
Like, before I got around 400 VR points for playing for 6 hours (with breaks in between) but one time after the update, I went from 6920 down to 6840 and then up to 7050 in 8 hours (with, again, breaks in between ).
I suppose it's fine if I stay around 7500 VR because items kept screwing me over.
With the stricter VR system, it seems impossible or likely a long donkey time to reach the 99999 limit unless you're really good, lucky and have a lot of free time.
All in all, I still have fun with the game, while groaning on races that I lost because of items.
Also, if people are so afraid of losing VR, why not only play in friend rooms and Tournaments (such as the NeoGAF OT Tournament)?
Maybe it'll show up after beating the DLC cups in Grand Prix...? (I still would like more DLC courses other than what's announced so far. )
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The old VR system shows how long you've been playing the game.
The new VR system actually shows how good you are.
Sure feels satisfying getting a lot of points for winning before and after the update.
But in post update, you losing a lot of points (to people who have lower VR points than you) because of constant hits by items feels like being kicked while you're still down.
Like, before I got around 400 VR points for playing for 6 hours (with breaks in between) but one time after the update, I went from 6920 down to 6840 and then up to 7050 in 8 hours (with, again, breaks in between
).I suppose it's fine if I stay around 7500 VR because items kept screwing me over.
With the stricter VR system, it seems impossible or likely a long donkey time to reach the 99999 limit unless you're really good, lucky and have a lot of free time.
All in all, I still have fun with the game, while groaning on races that I lost because of items.
Also, if people are so afraid of losing VR, why not only play in friend rooms and Tournaments (such as the NeoGAF OT Tournament)?
People wishing that star ranking displays next to the players' name tells me that they want to show how big their e-dick is.But I like it, even if it has a "dick measure contest" side. One thing I dislike is the fact that the star-ranking is gone. I was really disappointed whan I finally managed to earn 3 stars at each cup and I saw that absolutely nothing happened. I wish It had unlock something or at least it can be seen next to my name online so I can boast a little
Maybe it'll show up after beating the DLC cups in Grand Prix...? (I still would like more DLC courses other than what's announced so far.
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Parts of me regret naming myself that in the Internet. If only I heard of that word before doing so.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm not. People love their points.
blame space
Banned
what do the points even do
Jurassic Munson
Banned
Points are used to pair players with those of a similar skill level. OP was clearly being bested by lower ranked players and thus should be ranked lower to enjoy competition with people of similar skill levels.
I played in a room where I was the lowest ranking with 12 people. I raked in points from 8th and 4th places because I beat superior ranked racers. It's just for matchmaking.