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[ShockingAlberto]

Well, I for one was expecting someone to at least try something interesting with the console. Something that isn't already available somewhere else. AR Games approaches this, but people have already been dabbling in AR with DSi, and they look like Wii Play level toys... they'll be neat and all but honestly, how much will you get out of them?

Hardly anyone's being remotely creative here. Steel Diver's even the only truly "new" game, yet we've known about it since 2004, and I don't yet find it $40-interesting anyway. Barring surprise announcements at E3 (which I do find likely—this is Nintendo after all—but it's still hard to get excited about things you don't know exist) there's nothing of that kind to even look forward to yet.

In DS' first year, we had Feel the Magic, Yoshi Touch & Go, Pac-Pix, Meteos. Kirby Canvas-fucking-Curse. Daigasso! Band Brothers and Ouendan if you were an importer. And then, after all that, the system really took off.

Do you really think we're going to know Nintendo's post-June games before E3?

 

[EatChildren]

Do you really think we're going to know Nintendo's post-June games before E3?

Kid Icarus and Zelda .

 

[FoneBone]

Do you really think we're going to know Nintendo's post-June games before E3?

Like I said before, we already do know most of them (for 2011, and probably Q1). And lest someone get irate again, I said most, not all.

 

[ksamedi]

Well, I for one was expecting someone to at least try something interesting with the console. Something that isn't already available somewhere else. AR Games approaches this, but people have already been dabbling in AR with DSi, and they look like Wii Play level toys... they'll be neat and all but honestly, how much will you get out of them?

Hardly anyone's being remotely creative here. Steel Diver's even the only truly "new" game, yet we've known about it since 2004, and I don't yet find it $40-interesting anyway. Barring surprise announcements at E3 (which I do find likely—this is Nintendo after all—but it's still hard to get excited about things you don't know exist) there's nothing of that kind to even look forward to yet.

In DS' first year, we had Feel the Magic, Yoshi Touch & Go, Pac-Pix, Meteos. Kirby Canvas-fucking-Curse. Daigasso! Band Brothers and Ouendan if you were an importer. And then, after all that, the system really took off.

I only bought Kirby Canvas Curse from that list. I don't think you have a strong point here. The DS' first year was terrible compared to its later years. I believe the same will happen with the 3DS but right now its off to a much better start than the original DS.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I don't know why people get so wrapped up in getting a product at launch to the point that they're actually crestfallen if a launch lineup is underwhelming.

When the GBA came out, I wanted Circle of the Moon and Super Dodge Ball. Mario Kart and Chu Chu Rocket were just around the corner. So I bought a GBA at or within a few weeks of launch. Yay.

When the Wii came out, I wanted Trauma Center, Zelda, WarioWare was coming in a month or two, and I wanted to try motion controls. So I bought a Wii a month after launch. Yay.

When the DS came out, I didn't really want too much or to pay the full hardware price. So I waited 6 months and got a used DS in June 2005 for $100 with Yoshi's Touch and Go and Super Mario 64 DS. I spent the next few months checking out some backlogged games; Feel the Magic, RE DS, Castlevania DOS, as well as getting new games like Mario Kart as they came out.

When the 360 came out, I waited for Dead Rising before I even considered buying anything, but didn't actually buy one until Fall 2007. I got a PS3 fall 2008. Not because they're garbage consoles or anything, but because nothing immediately jumped at me so I waited until they built up a backlog of sorts.

If you don't like the launch lineup, just don't buy a 3DS at launch. You'll be able to buy one two months later, or four months later, or a year later, or whenever the library gets to a point where you really want it. And it's not like the launch period buzz/discussion will have died down by E3 or anything, if you wait until June you'll still very much be an early adopter.

I get people who are concerned about the platform's viability longterm, but I don't get the people who are like "Well the system is going to kick ass by Christmas, but the launch lineup sucks, what a pile of garbage bullshit, why yes I insist on buying one now instead of waiting until Christmas".

 

[dvolovets]

I only bought Kirby Canvas Curse from that list. I don't think you have a strong point here. The DS' first year was terrible compared to its later years. I believe the same will happen with the 3DS but right now its off to a much better start than the original DS.

Yup. I distinctly remember Kirby Canvas Curse being the "turning point" of sorts for the DS. The games that came before it were forgettable at best, although I did enjoy Yoshi Touch & Go for what it's worth. The 3DS software lineup is looking much stronger, for sure.

 

[Azure Dream]

I thought Feel the Magic "got" the DS the best at launch, I liked the aesthetic, the music, and it used all the device had to offer (at the time, Nintendo kept internet off-limits until it figured out WFC). Some of the mini-games were not that good, I'll admit, but it was a great flagship title for the handheld.

Hunters was interesting too, but just a demo at the time.

 

[plagiarize]

I don't know why people get so wrapped up in getting a product at launch to the point that they're actually crestfallen if a launch lineup is underwhelming.

well speaking personally, i'm interested in a lot of the titles that were rumoured for launch at one time or another, and a lot of things slated for that 'first period'. so i pre-ordered the system.

that none of my 'must haves' are at launch is a bit disappointing as a result. i don't want to drop my pre-order because my must haves are only a month or two down the line, and i'm using my pre-order like lay away which is convenient for me.

i'm excited about AR games, and i'll probably pick the cream from the launch titles, whatever that is, and i'm sure the 3D will make those games novel and fun... but since it's been so late before we got these titles confirmed, and since there are games slated for the launch window i really want to get... that's got to be understandable right?

 

[UncleSporky]

I only bought Kirby Canvas Curse from that list. I don't think you have a strong point here. The DS' first six months were terrible compared to its later years. I believe the same will happen with the 3DS but right now its off to a much better start than the original DS.

Fixed. The DS' first year, on the other hand, was probably better overall than some of its later years.

 

[Stumpokapow]

that's got to be understandable right?

I totally understand why someone would feel in the middle on the 3DS. I'm not planning on getting one at launch personally. I'm looking for a mid-summer purchase date--once they've launched 3DSWare and Virtual Handheld. I can easily see how someone in my shoes who is sort of in the middle might tilt back the other way and buy one at launch. Obviously some people are going to love it, some people are going to merely like it, and some people are going to be disappointed with what they end up with.

I just don't get people who are actively buying something they don't want now because they want it later, and furthermore are actively complaining about how shitty it is that they don't want it now but they're still buying it anyway.

 

[PKrockin]

I just don't get people who are actively buying something they don't want now because they want it later, and furthermore are actively complaining about how shitty it is that they don't want it now but they're still buying it anyway.

For some people there's always the concern that it will sell out immediately and it'll be impossible to find it in stores when they actually want it.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Well, I for one was expecting someone to at least try something interesting with the console. Something that isn't already available somewhere else. AR Games approaches this, but people have already been dabbling in AR with DSi, and they look like Wii Play level toys... they'll be neat and all but honestly, how much will you get out of them?

Hardly anyone's being remotely creative here. Steel Diver's even the only truly "new" game, yet we've known about it since 2004, and I don't yet find it $40-interesting anyway. Barring surprise announcements at E3 (which I do find likely—this is Nintendo after all—but it's still hard to get excited about things you don't know exist) there's nothing of that kind to even look forward to yet.

In DS' first year, we had Feel the Magic, Yoshi Touch & Go, Pac-Pix, Meteos. Kirby Canvas-fucking-Curse. Daigasso! Band Brothers and Ouendan if you were an importer. And then, after all that, the system really took off.

I understand what you are saying. But I also think you are overlooking the fact that there is software doing something new. The issue is that some of the software is being packaged with the system. If this were a generation ago, perhaps Nintendo would be publishing AR Games, 3DS Play (mini game compilation with Face Raiders and Street Pass Legends etc), and a Photo Editing software as three different software skus. Then all of a sudden it looks like Nintendo is releasing three innovative pieces of software with the system alongside the usual franchise fare.

Also comparing Steel Diver on those merits is not fair. What about it being an interesting concept in 2004 demerits it in anyway today? We know from Nintendo that several of their software is developed in this manner of trial and error overdrawn experimentation. I also don’t see how it isn’t worth 40$ compared to Feel the Magic, Yoshi Touch N’ Go and Daigasso. All of them are probably on the same boat as far as content. The first year of the 3DS may easily trump the DS in regards to your argument. Kid Icarus, Steel Diver, Cubic Ninja, Rodea the Sky Soldier, Time Travelers, Earthpedia, Fantasy Life, etc. But there is a lot of mysterious and unannounced software on the horizon for clairvoyant comparisons at this point.

 

[Stumpokapow]

For some people there's always the concern that it will sell out immediately and it'll be impossible to find it in stores when they actually want it.

I really don't think that's a concern for people on GAF. Even in the plumbed depths of the Wii's sellouts, you could get one if you wanted one. Yes, you might have had to get up early, yes you might have had to wait for a Sunday, but savvy consumers could get one. Not launching in a holiday also alleviates an enormous amount of the supply issues.

But if sellouts were the issue, the most sensible thing to do would be to pre-order one, immediately flip it on eBay for a profit, and then keep that money in an account until you actually want one, at which point you buy it on eBay. It'll never be more expensive than that during the non-Christmas season. Ta-da.

 

[plagiarize]

I really don't think that's a concern for people on GAF. Even in the plumbed depths of the Wii's sellouts, you could get one if you wanted one. Yes, you might have had to get up early, yes you might have had to wait for a Sunday, but savvy consumers could get one. Not launching in a holiday also alleviates an enormous amount of the supply issues.

But if sellouts were the issue, the most sensible thing to do would be to pre-order one, immediately flip it on eBay for a profit, and then keep that money in an account until you actually want one, at which point you buy it on eBay. It'll never be more expensive than that during the non-Christmas season. Ta-da.

that's Amir0x's exact concern actually. but then, you know, Ami. lawl and all that.

 

[Neuromancer]

Well if it wasn't for Pilotwings I wouldn't be picking this up at launch, that's for sure.

 

[1-D_FTW]

For some people there's always the concern that it will sell out immediately and it'll be impossible to find it in stores when they actually want it.

The black unit (higher than the blue) is #55 on Amazon's top 100 selling video game items of the day. For comparison, the Dual Shock 3 is #8. It doesn't strike me as difficult to crack the top 10. #55.

Amazon isn't playing games with these pre-orders. They're still advertising the 27th as your ship date. They just haven't sold out of their allotment yet.

A system with no marketing buzz, launched in March, with a lackluster lineup, and overpriced isn't going to be a hard to get item. The only way this will occur is if Nintendo ships like 50,000 units a month in order to manufacture it. This is no Wii. Only the foolish were surprised by its success.

 

[seady]

Yup. I distinctly remember Kirby Canvas Curse being the "turning point" of sorts for the DS. The games that came before it were forgettable at best, although I did enjoy Yoshi Touch & Go for what it's worth. The 3DS software lineup is looking much stronger, for sure.

I still remember Kirby Canvas Curse and Meteos came out together (same day?) and totally changed the way we think about the DS. And then Nintendogs came along in Summer and everything exploded. And that holiday that followed we had Mario Kart DS, Animal Crossing DS, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Mario & Luigi etc etc and immediately followed with the DS Lite. The DS turned from the horrible system into the best handheld ever. Everything was crazy and happened in 6 months.

 

[WillyFive]

The Wii launched with one color and it took nearly 3 years to get another. I think Nintendo will hold off on colors until there's enough supply and either demands slows down or they want to market a game well.

I'm going from when the DS got the red color to coincide with the Mario Kart DS launch. I was hoping Nintendo would repeat that.

 

[Dreamwriter]

A system with no marketing buzz, launched in March, with a lackluster lineup, and overpriced isn't going to be a hard to get item.

The 3DS doesn't have anything close to a "lackluster" lineup, and definitely isn't overpriced considering it's the *only* way to experience gaming in 3D for under $1000, and comes packed with games.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Advance Wars Dual Strike out in the DS's first year as well? I remember it being the 3rd game I owned for the system.

EDIT: And Dawn of Sorrow.

 

[1-D_FTW]

The 3DS doesn't have anything close to a "lackluster" lineup, and definitely isn't overpriced considering it's the *only* way to experience gaming in 3D for under $1000, and comes packed with games.

You say Pachter, I say Patcher. Whose ever perception of reality is correct, however, doesn't alter the sales figures on amazon.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I mean, I don't think the launch lineup is great and I will very likely be using the thing to play Pokemon for a while.

Buuuuuut, it's new hardware, and I'm in my mid-20s with lots of disposable income, and the price doesn't offend me, and I want to show people glassesless 3D.

So pre-order kept?

 

[cws]

You say Pachter, I say Patcher. Whose ever perception of reality is correct, however, doesn't alter the sales figures on amazon.

Sales figures on Amazon ? Haha

 

[Like the hat?]

my thought is even if the launch lineup doesn't grab you, there isn't really any negative to buying the console now. It's not going to have a price drop for at least a year (probably even more), and it's not like there won't be something you want in the future.

 

[UncleSporky]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Advance Wars Dual Strike out in the DS's first year as well? I remember it being the 3rd game I owned for the system.

EDIT: And Dawn of Sorrow.

I made a short list on the last page, it was a great first year. Aside from the already mentioned games like Mario 64...there was Lost in Blue, Mario & Luigi Partners in Time, Mario Kart DS, Metroid Prime Pinball, Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney, Sonic Rush, Trauma Center, Advance Wars Dual Strike, Animal Crossing, and Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow.

 

[plagiarize]

A system with no marketing buzz, launched in March, with a lackluster lineup, and overpriced isn't going to be a hard to get item. The only way this will occur is if Nintendo ships like 50,000 units a month in order to manufacture it. This is no Wii. Only the foolish were surprised by its success.

only the foolish presume that a system that hasn't had it's marketing campaign start will continue to have no marketing buzz indefinately.

 

[apana]

You say Pachter, I say Patcher. Whose ever perception of reality is correct, however, doesn't alter the sales figures on amazon.

lulz, don't troll on me GAF.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

I made a short list on the last page, it was a great first year. Aside from the already mentioned games like Mario 64...there was Lost in Blue, Mario & Luigi Partners in Time, Mario Kart DS, Metroid Prime Pinball, Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney, Sonic Rush, Trauma Center, Advance Wars Dual Strike, Animal Crossing, and Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow.

I see. Definitely agree on that regard. I hope 3DS matches up the latter half of its first year

 

[Starwolf_UK]

my thought is even if the launch lineup doesn't grab you, there isn't really any negative to buying the console now. It's not going to have a price drop for at least a year (probably even more), and it's not like there won't be something you want in the future.

Its the case you'll be tempted to buy games that might be a lot cheaper when you actually buy the system. Thats the negative to me. Well that and picking the wrong region which is very costly error (due to needing to buy the right region, heck even the right region can be wrong by simple virtue of goods cost).

 

[Zoramon089]

Like I said before, we already do know most of them (for 2011, and probably Q1). And lest someone get irate again, I said most, not all.

You can't be serious. It's like you've been ignoring Nintendo's recent style of not announcing games until a couple months before they're to be released. We probably don't know MOST of them

 

[doctordoak]

Only 3 vehicles in Pilotwings? No bonus vehicles or Birdman?

 

[pslong009]

I mean, I don't think the launch lineup is great and I will very likely be using the thing to play Pokemon for a while.

Buuuuuut, it's new hardware, and I'm in my mid-20s with lots of disposable income, and the price doesn't offend me, and I want to show people glassesless 3D.

So pre-order kept?

Same here, except replace Pokemon with other DS games. And I still have hope for TCGR: Shadow Wars, even though it's a month away from launch and we haven't seen any demos or videos. TBS by one of the guys behind X-COM? Enough to at least keep me interested.

 

[Vanille]

You can't be serious. It's like you've been ignoring Nintendo's recent style of not announcing games until a couple months before they're to be released. We probably don't know MOST of them

Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, and probably Animal Crossing are going to be the big holiday titles. Then you have Zelda and Star Fox likely hitting late Summer/early Fall. That's a pretty packed schedule. I really can't see Nintendo announcing any other significant games for release this year.

 

[Neuromancer]

Only 3 vehicles in Pilotwings? No bonus vehicles or Birdman?

Well apparently there were 3 grayed out options when the game was last being demo'd, so there should be something else. We just don't know what yet.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

The best thing about buying the Nintendo 3DS at launch is you will be able to see trailers and screenshots in 3D, but non-3DS owners will have to deal with a shit Youtube version tagged with "2D image of Nintendo 3DS game" all over the screen!

#TrueTea

 

[FoneBone]

Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, and probably Animal Crossing are going to be the big holiday titles. Then you have Zelda and Star Fox likely hitting late Summer/early Fall. That's a pretty packed schedule. I really can't see Nintendo announcing any other significant games for release this year.

Yep. I think they will make a couple smaller announcements, though.

 

[UncleSporky]

Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, and probably Animal Crossing are going to be the big holiday titles. Then you have Zelda and Star Fox likely hitting late Summer/early Fall. That's a pretty packed schedule. I really can't see Nintendo announcing any other significant games for release this year.

Nintendo's publishing history

2005: 22 DS games
2006: 35 DS games
2007: 27 DS games
2008: 18 DS games
2009: 19 DS games
2010: 19 DS games

This is all on top of any Wii games and ignoring VC / Wiiware / DSiware.

The 3DS has about 10 games on tap for this year so far (if you include the Nintendogs games individually as I did in the counts above). Their schedule is not packed yet, not by a long shot.

 

[Uno Venova]

Bad list for me, I want the 3DS but I knew it wasn't going to be a first day buy.

 

[richman555]

I still remember Kirby Canvas Curse and Meteos came out together (same day?) and totally changed the way we think about the DS. And then Nintendogs came along in Summer and everything exploded. And that holiday that followed we had Mario Kart DS, Animal Crossing DS, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Mario & Luigi etc etc and immediately followed with the DS Lite. The DS turned from the horrible system into the best handheld ever. Everything was crazy and happened in 6 months.

Agreed. I remember buying the DS at launch and there weren't many games. Some people were still anticipating how great the PSP was going to be. I almost thought I had made a mistake. Then in the following months Nintendo had a run of great and unique games every couple weeks. It certainly took time for it to take off.

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

Nintendo's publishing history

2005: 22 DS games
2006: 35 DS games
2007: 27 DS games
2008: 18 DS games
2009: 19 DS games
2010: 19 DS games

This is all on top of any Wii games and ignoring VC / Wiiware / DSiware.

The 3DS has about 10 games on tap for this year so far (if you include the Nintendogs games individually as I did in the counts above). Their schedule is not packed yet, not by a long shot.

That's including Japan only titles as well as games 3rd party games published by Nintendo. You won't be seeing many new 1st party 3DS games at E3.

 

[matmanx1]

Not sure if it's been posted, but here's probably the best footage of SWC so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0WgsxpoV8

Thanks! Seems like the characters are larger and more solid on the screen than the PSP iterations (higher poly budgets and/or better shaders maybe?) and the game appears to be running pretty smoothly. Looks fun!

 

[UncleSporky]

That's including Japan only titles as well as games 3rd party games published by Nintendo. You won't be seeing many new 1st party 3DS games at E3.

Well many of Nintendo's published third party games are as good as full Nintendo games, such as the late Cing's games. With that in mind, there were about 13 localized Nintendo games in the DS's first year, which is still quite a bit more than what we know is coming this year for 3DS.

One thing they're noticeably lacking is a good low profile puzzle game, although that could be on 3DSware at this point. Polarium 2, or Picross Actually 3D.

 

[cws]

That's including Japan only titles as well as games 3rd party games published by Nintendo. You won't be seeing many new 1st party 3DS games at E3.

And why is that ? You really think they wont show their A-Game when Sony is showing their NGP stuff ?

 

[Vanille]

Nintendo's publishing history

2005: 22 DS games
2006: 35 DS games
2007: 27 DS games
2008: 18 DS games
2009: 19 DS games
2010: 19 DS games

This is all on top of any Wii games and ignoring VC / Wiiware / DSiware.

The 3DS has about 10 games on tap for this year so far (if you include the Nintendogs games individually as I did in the counts above). Their schedule is not packed yet, not by a long shot.

Okay, but if you look at 2005, on average they released around one major game a month. We already know the titles I listed will be released in the second half of the year, which will make for a similar alignment. Maybe they'll announce an extra holiday title or two (or maybe games like Paper Mario will make 2011 afterall), but I think it's safe to say we know the majority of their line-up already.

 

[FoneBone]

And why is that ? You really think they wont show their A-Game when Sony is showing their NGP stuff ?

Big franchises like Zelda, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing are their A-game, first-party wise. (And New Super Mario Bros. 3D, which I think is likely to be shown.)

 

[UncleSporky]

And why is that ? You really think they wont show their A-Game when Sony is showing their NGP stuff ?

To be fair they really don't have much choice of what to bring to E3, games take a long time to develop. Every developer always brings their A-game and some are just better than others for various reasons.

 

[cws]

Big franchises like Zelda, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing are their A-game, first-party wise. (And New Super Mario Bros. 3D, which I think is likely to be shown.)

You really think they only have AC and MK ready for 3DS ? StarFox 3D looks awesome and Zelda OoT is a must buy, but those arent new titles. Besides Mario Bros. 3DS, i expect at least 2-3 announcements on Kid Icarus Uprising Level.... advance wars, fire emblem, mario tennis/golf by camelot etc.

Even if they are givin 3rd partys more room to breath - i dont think they will jsut recycle their stuff from e3 2010, even if none of the stuff was playable.

 

[BorkBork]

Passing on the launch. Some things look enticing, but no killer app for my personal taste yet. I'll wait until something new catches my eye, or Pikmin comes out, whichever comes first.

 

[From The Dust]

You really think they only have AC and MK ready for 3DS ? StarFox 3D looks awesome and Zelda OoT is a must buy, but those arent new titles. Besides Mario Bros. 3DS, i expect at least 2-3 announcements on Kid Icarus Uprising Level.... advance wars, fire emblem, mario tennis/golf by camelot etc.

I need a new Nintendo Wars game. I need it bad. 3D Wars or BWiiiD would be suffice

 

[asdad123]

Actually thought about my preorder and i cancelled it..

I cant justify spending $240 (amazon deducted 10 from an xbl code) for a console where Ill just be playing Pokemon White on while I can use my perfectly fine DSi.