TheGreatMightyPoo
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Why???
Game plays great.
That's like wondering how Nintendo fans could enjoy Street Fighter.
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Nintendo should diversify its line-up: yea or nay?
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Why???
Game plays great.
That's like wondering how Nintendo fans could enjoy Street Fighter.
Teletraan1
Banned
Yay. While they add a lot of new layers to their iterations I would like to see their take on other genres or just some new IPs. For me personally no mater how fantastic the game play is if I am tired of the aesthetic or subject matter I tend to tune it out after a while. This doesn't just apply to Nintendo. I am burnt out on most of the yearly iteration crap we get in shooters and 3rd person action games. Instead of just iterating on what those 2D games would look like in 3D or Cell shaded, etc, make something new. They have a fantastic art team that is being wasted on ever so slightly re-imagining the mushroom kingdom over and over and over. I dont think its going to happen with the old guard though so we will probably have to wait till they retire or are fired.
I don't think I'll ever understand people that would rather see a new story with familiar gameplay over a familiar story with new gameplay. Nintendo innovates within their IP.
That said, some of it is starting to get a bit stale and it would be nice to see something TOTALLY new executed on the same level as their classics. I do really like Pikmin (which is now 12 years old), Pushmo/Crashmo and Wonderful 101. But it would be nice if there were even more all-new ideas.
That said, some of it is starting to get a bit stale and it would be nice to see something TOTALLY new executed on the same level as their classics. I do really like Pikmin (which is now 12 years old), Pushmo/Crashmo and Wonderful 101. But it would be nice if there were even more all-new ideas.
zerokoolpsx
Member
Nothing wrong with expanding their library of games. Yea by a whole mile.
Majmun
Member
Not a fan of the control set-up. Just like how I didn't like Zelda SS' motion+ controls. Everything felt so forced. And I was glad when the game was over.
silly comparison btw
Forced? The game felt very natural to me, once you learned the basics and got most of the skills you were free to approach enemies and situations in many different ways, barring the specific enemies that had a morph-specific weakness (like the turtles).
hydragonwarrior
Member
They could use more than 1 fighting game.
Last Story 2 would make me buy a Wii U.
I'm not a fan of Naughty Dog games myself. I absolutely dislike the Jak games and I haven't played too much of TLOU or Uncharted as I'm pretty bad at dual-analog titles.
I disagree. I think the best games are those, which are easy to play. Games where the visuals and the controls are not an obstacle and against the player. Take Elite Beat Agents for example, a great game. You only need to touch on circles at certain points of time - an easy concept, everyone can grasp it. Mastering it, however, may take time. Another example: The platforming levels in Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. While the former had an awful camera system, the latter rarely had camera issues. I absolutely loved SMG but I couldn't finish SMS due to the barrier that resulted from its camera system.
I usually listen to the somewhat critical voices on NeoGAF as they bring up reasonable points. If I only listened to some hardcore Nintendo fans, then every Nintendo-published game would be the next GOTY. (same holds true for fans of other platform holders)
While one can love a game whole-heartedly, as you do with W101 and I do with The Last Story, one should never forget that there might be serious issues for other players or even the majority of other players. Thus I'd not go out and say "IGN is dumb because they didn't give The Last Story 10/10, they can't be trusted, they rushed through the game, they don't know how to play it". In most (but obviously not all) cases they point out flaws.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Not a silly comparison at all.
I see parallels between a "complex" but good control-scheme between the two games.
I don't see how the scheme is "forced" at all, it goes with the superhero nature of the game.
In fact, if all the Unite Morphs were just button presses, it would hurt the game in my eyes, not sure about what others would think though...
You're in the minority from what I have seen and I have seen tons of impressions from people playing the full game.
It doesn't mean you are wrong though if that's what you believe.
Speaking of the Last Story I think that game has a lot of gameplay potential. I think it would even be ideal for an online-offline co-op mode. The online battles against bosses were fun, imagine tackling the main story with a friend.
If not they could try making it so you have a bit more command on what your allies do, the little input you had on them was kind of a bit underused. If they expand on that they could make bosses be like action-puzzle battles.
Also I absolutely love that game's art direction.
If not they could try making it so you have a bit more command on what your allies do, the little input you had on them was kind of a bit underused. If they expand on that they could make bosses be like action-puzzle battles.
Also I absolutely love that game's art direction.
It's being ignored because to the average consumer (and even some Nintendo fans), it's just another drop in a sea of more popular and established colorful mascot games on Nintendo platforms.
In all fairness, W101 is somewhat similar to the concept of Pikmin. And, more importantly, hasn't excited alot of people that have played it.
And Xenoblade is too niche a game to be mainstream popular.
I think people hope for a brand new mainstream IP
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
New hardcore IP's. AAA, not eshop. I want Nintendo to create new franchises. X looks amazing and its reaction has been overwhelmingly positive. IP's like that will attract new players as well.
Make sure the games like Zelda are drastically improved if they are following the design philosophies of TP and SS or change the formula up a bit.
Thing is Nintendo has already diversified. They have a franchises in pretty much every genre in video games and yet they just sit on them. I suppose them not selling and a shortage of devs in the main cause. If its the first case then they should try a new Ip in that genre if the genre is popular enough but its just their Ip nots not got great sales.
For instance a new F - Zero would be stupid as Wipeout (and F zero) have shown the genre is extremely niche.
Make sure the games like Zelda are drastically improved if they are following the design philosophies of TP and SS or change the formula up a bit.
Thing is Nintendo has already diversified. They have a franchises in pretty much every genre in video games and yet they just sit on them. I suppose them not selling and a shortage of devs in the main cause. If its the first case then they should try a new Ip in that genre if the genre is popular enough but its just their Ip nots not got great sales.
For instance a new F - Zero would be stupid as Wipeout (and F zero) have shown the genre is extremely niche.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I think what Nintendo really needs is a Wii U action game with a heavy narrative focus, but not tied to an existing IP.
Something like Kid Icarus Uprising, but with a new IP and not portable.
Something like Kid Icarus Uprising, but with a new IP and not portable.
Never said it was for every game. But if Nintendo wants to succeed in creating new IPs they have to give them the same treatment as their flagship IPs, from wich is not rare to expect highly of. Its a standard Nintendo has set themselves excelling at their work.
I do play plenty of games. I just don't consider most of them would make for a Nintendo new IP that has to be considered as good as the ones that are 25+ years old.
You may not be wrong, but that's kind of a trick statement, given the fact that we're no asking Nintendo to make games that are better than the one that have been 15 years aging. I'm saying that if they need a new IP to be as sucessful as their old ones thay have to achieve with one of them the same M64 did on 1998 today. They did it on 2006 with Wii Sports and look how it payed off.
Yes, I agree and in fact I find me among those who finds ND output madly overrated. But that doesn't mean they are bad games or that ND's commitment to make each of their franchises influential and defining -for better or worse, depends on you- of the medium. Of course Nintendo will never do the same kind of games ND does. But they could learn about them about how to not cling to beloved IPs and being able to make the new ones as credited as the previous ones.
Its not about other people's franchises. I don't want Nintendo to do an Uncharted clone. But if they wanted their new IPs to be as beloved as their old ones, they could learn about what ND is doing, for example.
Or they could expand and create more studios worldwide. EA, Ubi, SCE are all bigger than Nintendo, and even SCE had to drop Vita support for the most part. They have plenty of money in the bank and they are admitedly understaffed. It has to happen.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
If similar in that you can control multiple characters then sure.
And Assassins Creed is the same as Infamous because both games feature 3rd person perspective with characters that wear a hoodie
When people say things like "Nintendo needs new IP," I assume they're referring to Nintendo the developer and not Nintendo the publisher -- in which case, they're mostly right. Personally, as a Nintendo fan, it's the EAD stuff that I look forward to the most, and they haven't really put out anything truly new since Wii Sports/Wii Fit.
I know it's just me being semantic or anal or whatever you want to call it, but I just don't see a Nintendo-funded Grezzo download game as being on the same level as a Mario, Zelda, or even Pikmin. I want a new Nintendo game that'll be merchandised to high hell -- the kind of game whose characters show up in Smash Bros. and Nintendo Land and have exclusive costumes in Tekken and Monster Hunter.
I know it's just me being semantic or anal or whatever you want to call it, but I just don't see a Nintendo-funded Grezzo download game as being on the same level as a Mario, Zelda, or even Pikmin. I want a new Nintendo game that'll be merchandised to high hell -- the kind of game whose characters show up in Smash Bros. and Nintendo Land and have exclusive costumes in Tekken and Monster Hunter.
I would definitely be down for less Mario, Zelda, Kirby, etc. and up for some revisiting of old IPs.
Also, the "NINTENDO NEEDS NEW IP" argument is so tired and stale at this point I don't even know why people bother having it. You point out stuff like the Wii Series and Nintendogs - they're too casual! You point out Dillon's Rolling Western or Pushmo - They're too small scale! You point out Wonderful 101 - they didn't like it! It's useless.
Even then, X isn't really "new", is it? It appears to be a spiritual successor to (if not part of) the Xeno series.
Also, the "NINTENDO NEEDS NEW IP" argument is so tired and stale at this point I don't even know why people bother having it. You point out stuff like the Wii Series and Nintendogs - they're too casual! You point out Dillon's Rolling Western or Pushmo - They're too small scale! You point out Wonderful 101 - they didn't like it! It's useless.
Even then, X isn't really "new", is it? It appears to be a spiritual successor to (if not part of) the Xeno series.
LSauchelli
Member
I think Nintendo should not just partner with big and medium sized third parties, but with indies as well! Not just to give them an old IP to produce a new game, but trust them to make the games they want to make.
bobbychalkers
Member
They need to, new and older IPs. They own a lot of IPs that they don't really use anymore.
Here are some freebies Ninty:
Wave Race, 1080, and Excite Bike all on one disk, all fully featured as if they could be separate releases, tons of content, Shared pool of characters (1080 Avalance and Wave Race Blue Storm kinda did this already) that are customizable, customizable jetskis, snowboards, and bikes, fully featured online modes and systems, all arcade style with a pinch of sim (like PGR I guess) call it Nintendo Extreme Sports or something. SSX3-esque Open world, All taking place on an island chain or something with high peaks for snowboarding, waves for jet-skiing, and dirt paths to mountain bike with some elements intersecting with other for multi-track runs with different vehicles on the same area.
Mach Rider revival, over the top gritty action. 80's retro style like Blood Dragon or Hotline Miami
Revive the Nintendo sports lineup, Courtside, Slugfest, Nintendo World Cup. EA isn't going to so, fill dem niches! Throw in some cool gamepad features with it.
And new IPs in multiple genres. It seems like the Japanese side has more autonomy with new IPs so we occasionally get something like Xenoblade, Distaster, Captain Rainbow, Last Story, Trace Memory (god that list has a horrible localization record). Extend this with their western devs and partners. Stuff from Retro, Next Level Games, Monster Games, Kuju, N-Space. They have been doing a good job with 3rd party exclusives, they need to keep that up. Moneyhat No More Heroes 3, or Fatal Frame 5 (made for the gamepad).
Here are some freebies Ninty:
Wave Race, 1080, and Excite Bike all on one disk, all fully featured as if they could be separate releases, tons of content, Shared pool of characters (1080 Avalance and Wave Race Blue Storm kinda did this already) that are customizable, customizable jetskis, snowboards, and bikes, fully featured online modes and systems, all arcade style with a pinch of sim (like PGR I guess) call it Nintendo Extreme Sports or something. SSX3-esque Open world, All taking place on an island chain or something with high peaks for snowboarding, waves for jet-skiing, and dirt paths to mountain bike with some elements intersecting with other for multi-track runs with different vehicles on the same area.
Mach Rider revival, over the top gritty action. 80's retro style like Blood Dragon or Hotline Miami
Revive the Nintendo sports lineup, Courtside, Slugfest, Nintendo World Cup. EA isn't going to so, fill dem niches! Throw in some cool gamepad features with it.
And new IPs in multiple genres. It seems like the Japanese side has more autonomy with new IPs so we occasionally get something like Xenoblade, Distaster, Captain Rainbow, Last Story, Trace Memory (god that list has a horrible localization record). Extend this with their western devs and partners. Stuff from Retro, Next Level Games, Monster Games, Kuju, N-Space. They have been doing a good job with 3rd party exclusives, they need to keep that up. Moneyhat No More Heroes 3, or Fatal Frame 5 (made for the gamepad).
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Xenoblade is new. New franchise.
Meh, every game doesn't need to be game of the year.
I own all systems, will own them all next gen too. W101 isn't my personal GOTY, but it is a damn good game. Right now I'd rank it easily in the top 5 of what I played this year. And, that would be above games like Bioshock Infinite, and GTAV. Only Last of Us ranks higher to me right now, and honestly I have zero intentions of playing Last of Us again, whereas W101 will get plenty of playtime from me. This thread makes me want to pick it up again. So yeah, W101 is a fantastic game. Don't sleep on it.
How can people who post on GAF be so misinformed.
Dark Octave
Banned
If they did, I probably would WiiU.
Steve McQueen
Member
New IP would be Nice. But tbh...I don't want Nintendo to go down the road they others are going. Nintendo being Nintendo is good enough for me.
Watch yo mouf bud.
This may be my bias for the series speaking, but 2 out of 3 console F-Zero games were million sellers and the third sold over half a million on the Gamecube's small install base. It may not be a system seller on the level of a Zelda or even a Metroid, but it can still be a valuable B-tier release between their heavy hitters.
Plus, I'm sure that a graphically impressive F-Zero with a fleshed-out online multiplayer component (yeah, it's Nintendo, I know) would turn heads just by being a technical showpiece. It would probably need to be released alongside their next console (if there is one) for that, though.
Net_Wrecker
Member
There are 2 groups of people in this thread that are missing the point.
1. The group who thinks The Wonderful 101 is a "small" game or who are completely wrong as to what the game is and the scale of the project. These people make me want to put my foot through the wall. Rage inducing posts.
2. The group who doesn't seem to understand that when people complain about "wanting New IP," they aren't talking about small titles, they're talking about big, new, important IP with the full weight of Nintendo's A teams behind them. And when people say "A teams" they're talking about the legacy developers at Nintendo who have their hands in the Mario, Zelda, DK/Metroid, and MK franchises.
1. The group who thinks The Wonderful 101 is a "small" game or who are completely wrong as to what the game is and the scale of the project. These people make me want to put my foot through the wall. Rage inducing posts.
2. The group who doesn't seem to understand that when people complain about "wanting New IP," they aren't talking about small titles, they're talking about big, new, important IP with the full weight of Nintendo's A teams behind them. And when people say "A teams" they're talking about the legacy developers at Nintendo who have their hands in the Mario, Zelda, DK/Metroid, and MK franchises.
Trends change, specially if you release quality games. Strategy JRPGs were niche. Then Fire Emblem Awakening happened.
Last F-Zero was released in 2004 or so. They can give it a try now.
I don't think Nintendo is capable of just overnight creating a legacy regardless of which studio is at the head. Both Kid Icarus: Uprising and Xenoblade Chronicles look like attempts to begin manufacturing some of that legacy. Kid Icarus got heavily merchandised - cards, anime, commercials. It was heavily promoted everywhere. Xenoblade got a hiring spree and what looks like a sequel funded. It's unfair to pretend that their best efforts have been small budget download titles. They've clearly made some big efforts that cost them a huge chunk of change.
TDLink
Member
The gameplay in W101 is great and actually has depth, unlike many games on the market these days. Not only does it have depth, it is also completely different from anything else out there. For that reason I can see why it may be initially off-putting to you or some others. I think Wonderful 101 is magnitudes better and more memorable than Puppeteer (which I have also played), I haven't tried Rain out.
Lordwindowlicker
Member
To a certain degree I believe that they should, but they already have quite a few more diverse games coming. For example the new RPG currently called X has my attention.
I'd prefer Excite Bike, but Truck would do.
And you left off Star Fox.
Also - more Pikmin 3 DLC!!!
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Yeah, now that they are struggling with one of their platforms, you should expect less IPs than ever before.
It's their problem but I don't see how new IPs in this state of Nintendo is a good idea...at all.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Nintendo has always been diverse but most gamers don't even notice.
Your first comment is so so soooooo wrong. Other than "you are controlling a mass of dudes," the pace, the gameplay loop, the feel, and the end-goal is completely different.
And as for your second remark, what a "mainstream IP" even means is anyone's guess. Either you're talking about something incredibly safe, or you're hoping for, as others have said, a lightning-in-a-bottle runaway success.
TDLink
Member
I think just because EAD and Retro are less adventerous (or more constrained) in terms of stepping outside of their franchises, it doesn't mean that Nintendo as a whole are less adventerous. It would be cool to see new IP from those studios but Monolithsoft is also a Nintendo "A" studio and their work shouldn't be undermined just because they didn't touch Mario.
BengaBenga
Member
Nintendo could definitely use more diversity in their releases, especially on Wii U, but they have the IPs:
Metroid
Zelda - Remake released
Waverace
1080
F-Zero
Kid Icarus
Pikmin - Released
2D Mario - Released
3D Mario - Soon to be released
Star Tropics
Star Fox
Advanced Wars
Fire Emblem - Announced
Battalion Wars
Exite
Mario Kart - Announced
Smash Bros - Announced
Donkey Kong Country - Announced
Disaster
Fatal Frame
Xeno
Earthbound
Pokemon
Golden Sun
And I'm sure I missed a few.
If they would focus on getting a more diverse set of their own IPs out for Wii U, it would get a great library. Maybe a good FPS or cinematic action game would be a nice addition. Maybe the Disaster IP could be used for that. Although far from perfect it was a fun game.
Metroid
Zelda - Remake released
Waverace
1080
F-Zero
Kid Icarus
Pikmin - Released
2D Mario - Released
3D Mario - Soon to be released
Star Tropics
Star Fox
Advanced Wars
Fire Emblem - Announced
Battalion Wars
Exite
Mario Kart - Announced
Smash Bros - Announced
Donkey Kong Country - Announced
Disaster
Fatal Frame
Xeno
Earthbound
Pokemon
Golden Sun
And I'm sure I missed a few.
If they would focus on getting a more diverse set of their own IPs out for Wii U, it would get a great library. Maybe a good FPS or cinematic action game would be a nice addition. Maybe the Disaster IP could be used for that. Although far from perfect it was a fun game.
Diversifying is good. But it has to be into something that people will buy. They can try and see if an experimental game will gain any traction but that is a risky move that can result in "hey, no one is buying it or it didn't achieve the results we wanted= shelve it forever".
You're missing like 60-70% of their IP's.
Net_Wrecker
Member
That's only 1 studio though, they can't do it by themselves. Xenoblade will have been out for 4 years before their next big title releases. And again, i specified the "legacy" devs because people want to see THOSE devs get their hands on something new. There's always this thought that "Well Nintendo innovates in gameplay, they don't need new IP," but Mario is Mario is Mario. The IP will always be the IP and they'll never stray too far from what the core of that IP is. I think the group that's vocal about wanting new IP wants THOSE longtime devs to make something genuinely new with the same backing that Mario and Zelda receive.
It's just that when you see Sony's studios having the free reign to create big new IP this gen like Uncharted, Infamous, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet, Resistance, etc., on top of the smaller games like Journey, Rain, Tokyo Jungle, etc, and even stuff like Puppeteer which is a mid-tier budget with a ton of heart to it, you wonder why Nintendo isn't spreading the love. And with rumors of SSM and Guerrilla Games cooking up new IP + The Order 1886, Knack, etc. on PS4, they're already well on their way to new things. Where's the "next wave" of big Nintendo franchises, or even attempts at them?
Nightstick11
Banned
I rarely agree with Mantis but this is what I want as well.
I want Nintendo Prime to develop new IP. I love, love, love their second-parties and collaborations. Wonderful 101 is a top-3 game of the year for me, and X is my most anticipated game.
With that said, I want the EAD teams off of everything Mario and Zelda. Give them a breather for a year or two. If they really want a Mario or Zelda then have someone do an HD port collection of Galaxy or Majora's Mask or something.
Let the EAD teams just run wild.
Yeah. I think it wouldn't be such a bad idea of letting EAD Tokyo do something different for a change instead of Galaxy 3 or 3D Land 2 for 3DS they're probably going to do.
Because then people just complain about when the next Zelda or Mario is. I'm not saying I disagree with you, I'd love to see EAD get a chance to do something else, but that's always the question people always ask when those franchises aren't present. It always boils down to Keighley talking to Reggie, pretty much starting every argument with "But where's Zelda?!" And that's a dilemma Nintendo is probably concerned about internally. They move their key studios off those franchises that make them money and onto something totally new, would anyone even care? Do they give those franchises to other teams then? What happens if those teams fuck it up? Remember what happened with Metroid and Team Ninja?
Raonak
Banned
I think when people say "new IP" They mean new BIG IP. Like something that could reach the ranks of their other popular franchises.
But thats easier said than done, new IPs don't really gain much traction, though if they got one of their A teams to do it ->new IP by the main mario, or zelda teams.
sorta like naughty dog doing TLOU, which was super successful. that could actually work.
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