The Pascal Tegra wouldn't have even existed until recently anyway, thoughh. There's the chance that Nintendo simply uses what's avaliabnle at the time of development and ignores anyuthing newer, but given just how similar Maxwell and Pascal are as well as the fact that 20nm is a disproportionally expensive process due to not being very good and either dropped quickly or skipped completely by nearly everyone, using a custom X1 doesn't seem likely. Also, I think the cost of adding a fan and heatsink is higher than the additional cost of using 16nm.
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Nintendo Switch Dev Kit Stats Leaked? Cortex A57, 4GB RAM, 32GB Storage, Multi-Touch.
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The Pascal Tegra wouldn't have even existed until recently anyway, thoughh. There's the chance that Nintendo simply uses what's avaliabnle at the time of development and ignores anyuthing newer, but given just how similar Maxwell and Pascal are as well as the fact that 20nm is a disproportionally expensive process due to not being very good and either dropped quickly or skipped completely by nearly everyone, using a custom X1 doesn't seem likely. Also, I think the cost of adding a fan and heatsink is higher than the additional cost of using 16nm.
SomedayTheFire
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Who holds a handheld two foot away from their eyes?
Dee Dah Dave
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What we looking at. 75% Xbox One power with similar graphics at 720p.
Something like that?
Something like that?
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I think it was this along with wanting to present a clear and simple message at the start. We'll learn about all the nuances of the device over the coming weeks.
These specs were probably accurate before they finished the custom built Nintendo version of the shield (which is pretty much what the Switch is calling a spade a spade here).
Imagine shopping this thing to developers all over and saying "yeah you can just pick up an Nvidia Shield devkit , what we'll have will be better and faster but as Nvidia is helping us with software and hardware it'll be a good enough start". Plus a Shield is already faster than a wii U so even porting wii U stuff onto one would be a step up.
So far virtually every rumor about the NX has been proven correct so I see little reason to doubt that the finished devkit/console has a pascal based chip inside and perhaps the tegra X2 CPU.
What will all of this mean for games ? Who knows for sure but it looks like it'll be as close to the PS4/XB1 as the Wii U was to the 360/ps3.
Imagine shopping this thing to developers all over and saying "yeah you can just pick up an Nvidia Shield devkit , what we'll have will be better and faster but as Nvidia is helping us with software and hardware it'll be a good enough start". Plus a Shield is already faster than a wii U so even porting wii U stuff onto one would be a step up.
So far virtually every rumor about the NX has been proven correct so I see little reason to doubt that the finished devkit/console has a pascal based chip inside and perhaps the tegra X2 CPU.
What will all of this mean for games ? Who knows for sure but it looks like it'll be as close to the PS4/XB1 as the Wii U was to the 360/ps3.
NeOak
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It is _______ compared to the ____ and the _____
We don't know shit other than it isn't as powerful
Price is something that annoys me.
Let's see the Nvidia Android TV similar specs but without screen, and a good controller (Switch cointrollers seems to be shittier in comparison)...200$.
With similar especs, and a 6'' touch screen, would be insane thinking of 250 start price for Switch?
Let's see the Nvidia Android TV similar specs but without screen, and a good controller (Switch cointrollers seems to be shittier in comparison)...200$.
With similar especs, and a 6'' touch screen, would be insane thinking of 250 start price for Switch?
NeOak
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Input latency, animations, physics, lots of things.
It is a embedded system, so it wouldn't be off to have a hard cap on FPS.
Gavin Darklighter
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Is it for sure more powerful than the Wii U or is it another Wii mystery bullshit where people claimed it was more powerful than a gamecube but really it was just a gamecube?
Are we talking about the same Nintendo that puts power consumption and size before raw power? They're going to prioritize an older, bigger, less efficient core just because it's older, and they're going to do that in a machine with a mobile component?
HandsomeCharles
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Yes. It is possible for games to at any frame rate, depending only on the speed of the components of the system they are run on.
However, there will be a distinct refresh-rate to the screen (unless they're utilising g-sync or the other Nvidia Tech that I can't remember the name of) which will likely be 60hz, so you probably won't see the games exceed 60fps.
It's also the case that some developers choose to develop their games in such a way that the game's update cycle is tied directly to the clock speed of the device (very common in older generations) which means that when you play them on faster hardware, the game becomes crazy fast and unplayable. This is now becoming less common, and if the switch does underclock when in portable mode, I don't think any of the developers would choose this approach.
lukeskymac
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That resolution would already be fantastic by Nintendo's standards.
PuppetMaster
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HandsomeCharles
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I don't know where you're getting that idea from...
jobrro
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32GB would not surprise me and I think it's adequate as many high end phones lowest tier is 32GB. Also the Wii U shipped with 8GB on the basic model. Provided there is SD support on the portable unit of course.
Really hope the dock allows an external HDD too like the Wii U. If modern games (read: large) are going on the system let me upgrade the storage to an arbitrary amount. 32, 64 or 200GB are all going to irritate me provided I need to 'clean the fridge'. Let me install a 200GB or whatever SD in and a 1 or 2TB external HDD to the dock and somewhere in the menu allow me to move games to and from the HDD to the portable unit. The Wii U is pretty good at stuff like this, easy to move or copy things to or from the HDD and internal storage.
Really hope the dock allows an external HDD too like the Wii U. If modern games (read: large) are going on the system let me upgrade the storage to an arbitrary amount. 32, 64 or 200GB are all going to irritate me provided I need to 'clean the fridge'. Let me install a 200GB or whatever SD in and a 1 or 2TB external HDD to the dock and somewhere in the menu allow me to move games to and from the HDD to the portable unit. The Wii U is pretty good at stuff like this, easy to move or copy things to or from the HDD and internal storage.
NeOak
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Green Yoshi
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I hope these are false because this is a joke.
You expect 8 GB RAM? Seriously?
4 GB in the Dev Kit, 2 GB in the consumer version.
Yeah I know, I was being facetious.
I want to know its ports, more than anything. If this baby can't shoot out HDR, that's going to be disappointing. So far it looks like HDMI 1.4 ~ that'll mean hooking it up for stuff like Netflix wouldn't be ideal. If that's the case, why even bother talking about 4k30fps compatibility?
NeOak
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Or maybe it is 4GB because it the Tegra X1 SoC for the early dev kits (which were very likely Jetson TX1 boards) has the RAM in the same package as the CPU, so it's not like they had other versions available.
And stop that stupid non-sense about extra RAM these days. PS4, XBO and even Wii U dev kits do not have extra RAM. The part that is reserved for the OS is used for debugging tools too.
KratosEnergyDrink
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It will probably use SD cards, like the 3DS.
Da-Kid
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How would it make the game cost more. Let's assume the cartridges are 40-50GB. And most of that store isn't used the same way PS3 and XBox didn't use all 25 gig's of the disc storage for the game itself, the games was still only $60. Why would it be any different here? It would be really smart if Nintendo did utilize the extra storage for patches. In fact, that could effectively eliminate games bricking a console since the actual game will be patched not the system and game. The only thing I see actually being copied to the console is DLC and that's for resale purposes. But he'll, if not, that sure could make trad-in value a helluva lot more and make accessing your saved data better than using a cloud.
NeOak
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Duxxy3
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Don't have a screen built into them though. I don't know how often I would use the Switch outside of the cradle, but it's nice to have the option.
icecold1983
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the early rumors of sub xbone performance are looking to be true. thats just terrible in 2017. its also quite far below xbone one if these specs are remotely accurate
JonathanPower
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SD cards probably. I also wouldn't exclude support for external USB storage.
Hey, it's Nintendo. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
icecold1983
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not surprising but 512 gflops in 2017 is kind of disgusting. paying any more than maaaaaybe 99 usd for something like this is asinine
512 Gflops handheld is great.
It's unclear if that is the case. The rumor was nVidia really wanted this deal more than Nintendo did because they haven't had a console or mobile win in years.
So far both Sony and MS have been burned by Nvidia, hope Nintendo isn't next on their hit list :S
fixed.
KratosEnergyDrink
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Another thread based on a random guys twitter post? Why are people allowed to do this on gaf? It only encourages more people to twitter more stuff like this.
lukeskymac
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Lol wut
NeOak
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that's pretty good for a handheld.
graywolf323
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why not? the iPhone now supports 256GB
NWPlayer123 would probably be pretty offended being referred to as a guy.
For $969
hiro_x
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Wait.. you're saying price should be more or less the same as a kindle? really?
Given that all the games shown look better than the wiiu versions that should give you your answer
Aztechnology
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It also only costs ~$240 to make in the IPhone 6s's case at least. Different business models and a very high price to consumers. Consoles are usually sold for only a small margin because of licensing and subscriptions subsidizing that cost.
You seriously need to check out your info more before spouting this. The speck is seriously a beast for a handheld and no 99 would be a drastic lost of profit for both party involve
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