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Nintendo Voice Chat 60. New. Improved. Stupid. Achievement Unlocked.
- Thread starter AceBandage
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Clearly the answer is that Nintendo needs to make a third-person shooter, with Mario as the main character while Luigi provides cover. Internet support and Wii Speak must be supported, as well as MotionPlus, even if it doesn't actually do anything useful. You shoot at Goombas and the various Koopa Troopas, with the Koopa Kids as various bosses. Princess Peach and Daisy are whores who you can give money to for 'services' that will restore your health. Toad is the obnoxious red-shirt sidekick who gets killed halfway through the story. Rosalina is the love interest who tragically dies about 3/4 of the way through after she jumps on Dry Bones and starts celebrating, only to realize (when it's far too late) that Dry Bones has come back to life and it bites off her head, filling the screen with splotches of blood. Mario then goes on a bender, eating mushroom after mushroom, until a random Mii (because you have to have Mii support, or else you automatically deduct a point from the game) comes by and bounces up and down wildly, which somehow tells Mario that he must go on.
Oh, and three scenarios in, you play the role of Birdo, who gains the trust of Bowser and successfully attacks Diddy Kong, only for Wario to fart in your face and kill you, starting World War III.
Faith in Nintendo redeemed.
Oh, and three scenarios in, you play the role of Birdo, who gains the trust of Bowser and successfully attacks Diddy Kong, only for Wario to fart in your face and kill you, starting World War III.
Faith in Nintendo redeemed.
Considering the ridiculous amount of effort you put into hyping and promoting low-quality games solely because they appear on a Nintendo console, I'd say your main fear should be that your apparent lack of taste will result in your final station being that of lead Q&A for Cabella's Hunting Farm.doomed1 said:
It's funny they think that way because I visited their site fairly regularly when they were more optimistic and showed genuine interest in the games. Even just for little things as JKR's stupid comics or checking out their editor blogs. If they truly believe trolling is a good way to get hits, that's quite a sad turn of events for them.Baconbitz said:
I think you completely misunderstand me. I ONLY own the Wii (and a DS and a now low end PC, but that's besides the point), and thus I will tend to talk about games on it. My tastes also run a long gambit from FPSs to SRPGs and everything in between, but can you think of a game (that isn't The Conduit. Was disappointed by that one) that is objectively low-quality that I've hyped recently? Please, I'd like to hear it, or perhaps your tastes are lacking and you don't see the merit in the admittedly niche, but wide gambit of games I enjoy. It's got nothing to do with the Nintendo console, it has to do with my belief in voting with my dollar and seeing merit in all types of games with a focus on interaction. I can't afford more than one home console a generation (for reasons more than monetary), so I voted with the console that I felt represented my desire for the direction of the industry. I still feel like I've made the right choice.No6 said:
But the attempt to create games into the new "film" is not only pointless and stupid, but it also stagnates the industry and blinds developers to what really matters about games: interaction. Interaction, as I said before, is GOD in gaming, no matter what form it takes. Most industry "experts" don't seem to understand this, or worse don't WANT to understand it and instead satisfy their masturbatory desire to make games as "mature" as possible to satiate some sort of raging inferiority complex. That'll be what kills the industry, if anything.
Black-Wind
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godhandiscen said:
Im waiting to get a job and a HD TV before I do anything with a HD console.
And even then IDK which I want more . . . one has free online and the other have Fable series + Better Bayonetta but it comes with the fear of RRoD.
Until then my DS is my only system of choice well my Wii gets a growing back log interrupted only by big games I just HAVE to have.
Oh, and if you think IGN (or atleast IGN-Nintendo) is shit then don't go there, they wont hits so don't ive it to them. I only gave them like one hit in the last few months because I just had to see for myself what Malstrom was bitching about with Matt's troll-rant on how Nintendo is lazy.
MisterHero
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R.I.P. N64.com
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Wow.
Black-Wind
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More interesting parts that maybe AceBandage can clear up . . .
And does Bozon still come here? I thought MM10 would have cased him to peck his head out abit . . .
And does Bozon still come here? I thought MM10 would have cased him to peck his head out abit . . .
AceBandage
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Black-Wind said:
I kind of tuned out for some of that because it was close to the end, but I'll sum up what I can:
This is a bit off. They said they liked the ideas more than anything, but didn't think Sony or MS would follow through on them.
This was more of them saying "Nintendo is getting lazy" and that the new audience wouldn't stick with them for the Wii2. They also admitted that the new audience probably wouldn't be getting a PS3 or 360 though, either.
Basically, they called it a port of the DS game. That the only thing they did differently was "innovate the game box".
It was a hardcore machine because it was on par (power wise) with the other two. That was pretty much their reasoning.
Kyzer said:
Achievements are pretty huge junior. Probably one of the biggest things this gen. I love them as do many of my friends, other programs / platforms have them now as well.
autobzooty said:
That doesn't change the fact that achievements DO give you more things to do. You can still do all the things that games used to do (that you mention) but you'll now get a achievement for it that friends on your list can check while playing any other game or sitting at the dashboard. That is HUGE. If I play metroid prime hunters and do the token events, my friends can't easily check my progress. They're not integrated into the Wii at all. Same with Trophy's in smash bros brawl, I've collected them all but if my friend wants to see on his Wii he has no way to check.
Achievements aren't taking away from your enjoyment at all, so I don't see why you feel the need to dislike them and bash it. They're adding enjoyment to all those who like to collect things, in this case, achievements. If I play a game and it's really good, I want to get 1000/1000 on it or do my best as possible to reach that goal. Sure I'll play it regardless if it's fun, but achievements add more goals or different ways to play that I would not have thought of.(or even give me bonuses ala mass effects, or gamer pictures or now avatar awards
)Achievements are just one small part of the bigger picture that the Wii fails and falls hard on. It's still a fun little system when I want to play some brawl or something, but other then that it's really lacking in many features.
Black-Wind
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Thanks, thats a bit clearer.AceBandage said:
. . . They sound alil less retarded but just as trolling.
HUELEN10
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I am just about done listening to it. I do have to agree that GCN was definitely a system that catered to the hardcore, at least IMO. Like after mid 2002, the hits didn't top coming for years. It was hit, after hit, after glorious hit!
I am not implying that the Wii isn't hardcore (it is, and very much so) IMO, I am just saying that I thought the GCN was, and very much so.
I am not implying that the Wii isn't hardcore (it is, and very much so) IMO, I am just saying that I thought the GCN was, and very much so.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Good Lord can we get more detailed summaries on shitty IGN podcasts?
GrotesqueBeauty
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Reading comprehension get? Interesting that your take on a false dichotomy (that I never actually stated) should present a false dichotomy of its own.Y2Kev said:
Oh yah, IGN editors totally give the 360 and PS3 the same amount of shit that the Wii gets, this podcast being the sterling example. Very comparable situations between the respective teams, I agree.Y2Kev said:
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The beauty of all this is that you've got editors passionately defending the Gamecube, of all Nintendo systems.
HUELEN10 said:I am just about done listening to it. I do have to agree that GCN was definitely a system that catered to the hardcore, at least IMO. Like after mid 2002, the hits didn't top coming for years. It was hit, after hit, after glorious hit!
I am not implying that the Wii isn't hardcore (it is, and very much so) IMO, I am just saying that I thought the GCN was, and very much so.
Hindsight is 20/20 or something.
The GCN was a very underrated system. It had a ton of great content, but it always got overshadowed by the Xbox and the PS2.
And now that Nintendo is screwing up, of course the Cube was a golden beacon of hardcore games. Sort of like how N64 got more props during the Cube's life.
I do agree with IGN on some points, but for most of it they are off their rockers.
PepsimanVsJoe
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What exactly is IGN supposed to give the 360/PS3 shit about?
Okay there's that whole pay for online and RROD thing. There's also YLOD to a lesser extent and uh...somebody help me out here.
Oh yeah motion controls..But I guess they're taking a wait and see on that before commencing with the bitching.
Okay there's that whole pay for online and RROD thing. There's also YLOD to a lesser extent and uh...somebody help me out here.
Oh yeah motion controls..But I guess they're taking a wait and see on that before commencing with the bitching.
Cynar, no one is saying you can't like your acheivements or whatever. The question is are you not playing the wii becuase of a lack of them.
Are developers ignoring it becuase of the lack of acheivments.
Acheivements are pointless as a selling feature and it's inclusion won't help the console with any demographic. It's just pointless.
Are developers ignoring it becuase of the lack of acheivments.
Acheivements are pointless as a selling feature and it's inclusion won't help the console with any demographic. It's just pointless.
Is it just me or are Nintendo fans the only ones who give this damn site any amount of discussion on this forum. Why the hell do any of you still listen to this podcast? If you need Nintendo-centric news so badly, I'm sure Go Nintendo can fill that need. Or the hundreds of other Nintendo fansites.
Edit: Also, if you can't see the importance of Achievements / Trophies then you really need to look into what they do, how they do it, and why it invokes the response in many players as it does. They're quite genius and although I definitely wouldn't call it the greatest contribution Microsoft has made to this generation by any means, it is definitely one of the more important concepts that were borne this gen.
Edit: Also, if you can't see the importance of Achievements / Trophies then you really need to look into what they do, how they do it, and why it invokes the response in many players as it does. They're quite genius and although I definitely wouldn't call it the greatest contribution Microsoft has made to this generation by any means, it is definitely one of the more important concepts that were borne this gen.
GrotesqueBeauty
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I'm not saying they should search for reasons to give the HD systems shit. I'm saying that achievements are a fucking retarded point to harp on even if your object is specifically to criticize the Wii.PepsimanVsJoe said:
NSMB Wii is also a ridiculous object of scorn, particularly coming from the genius who gave the original and vastly inferior NSMB a 9.5. Could NSMB Wii have taken a less conservative approach to art direction? Undoubtedly. The fact remains that it spanks 95% of the games this gen at level design. My problem isn't that the Wii is being criticized; it's that they're attacking it for the most preposterous reasons.
WickedLaharl
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is it even possible for nintendo to patch in an achievement type of system for the wii or will that have to wait for their next system?
HUELEN10
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My opinion of the GCN hasn't changed since the day I got it. I speak only for myself of course.Penguin said:
Agreed, sadly.
Nintendo's screwing up? :lol Seriously though, the drought sucked, but I look at my GCN library and I look at my Wii library, first party-wise of course, and for 3 years into the lifecycle, both libraries looks pretty similar, at least to me. They have, and will continue to make mistakes, but I don't see a dramatic difference as a whole, for better or for worse, between these past 2 generations.
It did? Sure I hated gaming back then, but I was still in some of the know. This is the first I hear of this. Personally, I thought the N64 was Nintendo's weakest lineup, but that's just me. Maybe the whole hindsight thing you were talking about earlier is coming into play, as I have no hindsight for this system. :lol
And how!
It's like calling the opposite of an apple an oyster, pure bullshit!GrotesqueBeauty said:
The many-headed dreaded IOS says no.WickedLaharl said:
AceBandage
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WickedLaharl said:
Not a unified system, no, since the Wii has no unified online structure.
I'm too sleepy to argue this in-depth, but no, I disagree with you. Achievements (and other implementations of achievements like trophies, medals, etc) are an amazing feedback tool for players. The "casual" games on Facebook and AddictingGames.com can use this best. They can reward players for small tasks they do to get them to keep playing. Just a little pop-up telling them "YOU DID GOOD" goes a long way in keeping a player engaged. It doesn't have to mean anything. There just needs to be that positive reinforcement.Ulairi said:
Achievements for larger games can reward a player during longer stretches so they can feel as if they're making progress. They can also reward certain types of player behaviour. They can even extend the life of a game by giving the player additional tasks.
Achievements are definitely a bonus and the Wii would do well to implement them. Of course, the whole social aspect of having a centralized achievement list which you can share and compare with friends won't work too well with the Wii's current isolationist online model, but maybe in the next generation. Until then, there's no reason we can't at least have something like what's found in Metroid Prime 3 in games.
Edit: Video Games are all about the carrot at the end of the stick. Whether you realize it or not, you're inputting actions and seeing the payoff for that input on screen. Achievements are yet another way of giving you that payoff. It triggers whatever the hell it is in your brain that goes "YES! I did it!" and if you really think that's something only forum-dwellers care about, I think the 11 milion people playing Farmville and having that shit spam their Facebook walls disagree.
Firestorm said:
I'm fine with Achievements, I just don't like the epeen points aspect. Let people earn achievements, let people compare what they've done in the game to what a friend has done. I don't like the score attached to them. It's stupid. I hate playing on the 360 when I get some douche giving me shit because my gamer score is like 3,000.
Who the fuck gives people shit over their gamerscore? I like my gamerscore personally. A friend of mine and I had some healthy competition going there! I like having my score universal and adding to a total. It's another form of progress. I wish my PSN + XBL + Steam achievements could be combinedUlairi said:
Until he pulled way ahead of me
Bastard has less systems than me so he has less spread!GrotesqueBeauty
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Realdoll collectors rejoice.Dascu said:
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GrotesqueBeauty said:
Fixed that for you.
Firestorm said:Who the fuck gives people shit over their gamerscore? I like my gamerscore personally. A friend of mine and I had some healthy competition going there! I like having my score universal and adding to a total. It's another form of progress. I wish my PSN + XBL + Steam achievements could be combined
Until he pulled way ahead of me
People on Xbox Live. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing on Live. Log into a MW2 game with a low gamer score and people are going to give you shit.
Ulairi said:
To be fair, people will give you crap no matter what on Xbox live.
I was playing Left 4 Dead 2, and I forgot what happened, but within like 20 secs got a message from a member on the other team calling me a noob. For the life of me I can't remember, but me and my friends had a good laugh.
Little Green Yoda
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beef3483 said:
If anything, the case can be made that social/online gaming (with respects to consoles!) is the big innovation this gen, not achievements by themselves. Do we have updated numbers on how many gamers get online for each respective console? I seem to recall it being a pretty low percentage across the board. Which would make the shift towards online experiences even more baffling. Though I suppose pay-to-play and DLC content is an enticing incentive to herd consumers in that direction.
I actually like how Metroid Prime handled achievements and if Nintendo had that system built in with all games, I think it would be cool. But, listening to the podcast, i think the IGN crew want gamer scores not achievements. Trying to complete things that may be harder or out of the way and having my friends being able to see it, that would be neat. I just don't want a gamer scores.
WickedLaharl
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what a load of BS. you might have gotten a kid or two giving you shit about having a low gamerscore but by no means is that the norm.
and to stop going online for such a reason is beyond retarded. learn how to mute people ffs.
and to stop going online for such a reason is beyond retarded. learn how to mute people ffs.
Shamrock7r
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The journalistic integrity of IGN Games is so horrid that this hardly seems surprising. I stopped going there on a regular basis many years ago for a few reasons.
I think it is fine to be critical of the industry, company strategies, and so forth, but when a website (e.g. IGN) has missed the mark and been disproven SO MANY times, it just becomes laughable that they continue to throw out advice as if anyone should listen to it with a serious face. The bashing of the Wii pre-launch, the whole HD issue, IGN's silly Wii microphone crusade, the cynical Wii Fit casual strategy. I mean, I can go on and on and on.
The problem with IGN is that they can't, for whatever reason and for all these years still, see the big picture. They focus on these little minute details that in the grand scheme of things no majority is going to give a crap about. Achievements? Really? This will be Nintendo's downfall? Nintendo is lazy?
Matt's review of Mario Galaxy really summed up my opinion of IGN as a whole. In the video review, when talking about the graphics, he started throwing out nonsense about "specular lighting", "bloom" and so forth. WHO GIVES A SHIT!? Does the game look good? Does it achieve the intended art direction? Do movie reviews go into the complex details on how the CG was produced in a movie? Unless it is something new, than no. Nobody gives a crap. What they want to know is if the movie is good, enjoyable, and worth their money.
IGN editors, and a lot of gaming journalism in general, are trying so hard to cling to a formula which is still the old basic "16 bit 32 bit 64 bit" drab that seriously, now that the industry has grown so large, the majority of consumers don't really give a rat's ass about.
I guess they can continue whining about lack of "specular lighting", Link talking, Achievements and so forth. Nintendo will continue to make a profit by thinking outside of the box on how to market their games, what is and isn't important, and so forth. Because remember IGN, for all your supposed wisdom on what Nintendo should and shouldn't be doing, if they listened to your backwards, stagnant ideas all this time, we would have another HD 360 like console with little 3rd party support, a small userbase, and really what amounts to the same damn games with some Nintendo exclusives. Somehow I think Nintendo would prefer this direction.
I am too bored now to even get into the whole "Nintendo is lazy" thing, and how your selective critique seems to leave out other offenders, which is pretty much the REST of the industry...idiots...
I think it is fine to be critical of the industry, company strategies, and so forth, but when a website (e.g. IGN) has missed the mark and been disproven SO MANY times, it just becomes laughable that they continue to throw out advice as if anyone should listen to it with a serious face. The bashing of the Wii pre-launch, the whole HD issue, IGN's silly Wii microphone crusade, the cynical Wii Fit casual strategy. I mean, I can go on and on and on.
The problem with IGN is that they can't, for whatever reason and for all these years still, see the big picture. They focus on these little minute details that in the grand scheme of things no majority is going to give a crap about. Achievements? Really? This will be Nintendo's downfall? Nintendo is lazy?
Matt's review of Mario Galaxy really summed up my opinion of IGN as a whole. In the video review, when talking about the graphics, he started throwing out nonsense about "specular lighting", "bloom" and so forth. WHO GIVES A SHIT!? Does the game look good? Does it achieve the intended art direction? Do movie reviews go into the complex details on how the CG was produced in a movie? Unless it is something new, than no. Nobody gives a crap. What they want to know is if the movie is good, enjoyable, and worth their money.
IGN editors, and a lot of gaming journalism in general, are trying so hard to cling to a formula which is still the old basic "16 bit 32 bit 64 bit" drab that seriously, now that the industry has grown so large, the majority of consumers don't really give a rat's ass about.
I guess they can continue whining about lack of "specular lighting", Link talking, Achievements and so forth. Nintendo will continue to make a profit by thinking outside of the box on how to market their games, what is and isn't important, and so forth. Because remember IGN, for all your supposed wisdom on what Nintendo should and shouldn't be doing, if they listened to your backwards, stagnant ideas all this time, we would have another HD 360 like console with little 3rd party support, a small userbase, and really what amounts to the same damn games with some Nintendo exclusives. Somehow I think Nintendo would prefer this direction.
I am too bored now to even get into the whole "Nintendo is lazy" thing, and how your selective critique seems to leave out other offenders, which is pretty much the REST of the industry...idiots...
boiled goose
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and that is the problem. not achievements.AceBandage said:
A lot of wii games have achievements. Both wii sports, mario galaxy, metroid prime, animal crossing, etc.
the problem is that sharing these successes with friends online is extremely difficult or impossible because there is no unified online structure or friend list.
THAT IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM.
Nintendo also needs to fix the shopping channel ASAP.