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Nintendo: "We Can't Satisfy Core Gamers And We Hope They Enjoy It"
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Daante said:
No, not really. You don't really care how they position "themselfs" because you don't have a problem with the DS. You just seem like the type who wants to troll the Wii for whatever reason you have, and Nintendo's press conference will likely provide you ammunition for months to come. This doesn't help your case:
Daante said:
Yep. Works well with this.
Daante said:
What's the Sixaxis again? I don't mean to be a hater, but make up your mind.
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shykyoichi
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.Xellos said:
Eteric Rice
Member
Indeed, PC for the win! :O
I don't see what the fuck you guys are complaining about. We got House of the Dead: Overkill, Madworld, Excitebots, Klonoa, and Punch-Out and Little King's Story are coming out soon. And we're only in the 5th month of the year.
Unless you mean Nintendo themselves, well yeah, they've always been slow as hell. But they have released a new Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Brawl, etc. Games take time, mang.
What the fuck do you want?
maniac-kun
Member
it just takes the same ammount of effort to do a flash minigame collection so i dont care about this and gta 4 has better minigames.Porridge said:
a realy new animal crossing would be great but its nearly the same game as the ds version with minimal upgrades.perfectchaos007 said:
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
You know, I just had flashbacks to Gamecube era arguments.Eteric Rice said:
Bluemercury
Member
CaVaYeRo said:
Is there anything about it being kotaku???
perfectchaos007
Member
*shakes head at Nintendo*
You guys don't understand.
We ask for hardcore games and you give us Animal Crossing and expect us to be happy for a year.
You show us Disaster Day of Crisis at E3 2006 and don't even release it stateside.
You cancel project hammer
You won't listen to the hundreds of thousands of requests to localize mother/earthbound.
You think, according to recent PR statements, that we are always wanting another Mario or Zelda game to satisfy our core needs. This is not true. We want ANYTHING thats not strictly for casuals like Wii Fit/ Wii Music/ Mario Party. It doesn't have to be the new Mario adventure or Zelda, it just has to be for the gamer.
You guys don't understand.
We ask for hardcore games and you give us Animal Crossing and expect us to be happy for a year.
You show us Disaster Day of Crisis at E3 2006 and don't even release it stateside.
You cancel project hammer
You won't listen to the hundreds of thousands of requests to localize mother/earthbound.
You think, according to recent PR statements, that we are always wanting another Mario or Zelda game to satisfy our core needs. This is not true. We want ANYTHING thats not strictly for casuals like Wii Fit/ Wii Music/ Mario Party. It doesn't have to be the new Mario adventure or Zelda, it just has to be for the gamer.
Shin Johnpv
Member
maniac-kun said:
Really? So how come everyone isn't doing it then and selling 20 million copies of cheap flash mini game collections?
adama-rama
Neo Member
Honestly, with Mad World and Little Kings Story still left for me to finish, I'm kinda happy there isn't a massive Nintendo game launching soon. Then I'd have less time to play The Conduit next month.
So yeh, thanks Nintendo
So yeh, thanks Nintendo
DeaconKnowledge
Member
adama-rama said:Honestly, with Mad World and Little Kings Story still left for me to finish, I'm kinda happy I don't have a massive Nintendo game launching soon. Then I'd have less time to play The Conduit next month.
So yeh, thanks Nintendo
Those are third party games. They don't count. There's nothing but casual waggle crap for the Wii now, Nintendo doesn't care about us.
I thought they would have learned their lesson when I didn't buy the GameC....er, supported them last generation.
maniac-kun
Member
you sure dont need a killzone 2 like budget or manpower to do wii sports. its just a simple engine and some simple grafics with stupid controles where movements replace button presses. and it ships as a demo disc in most country with the wii.Shin Johnpv said:
i leave simple games for the simple minded.
Eteric Rice
Member
maniac-kun said:
Yes, because something is simple to play, it's for simple minded people.
Do me a favor. Grab a camera, and try to keep up with this guy's simple game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwC544Z37qo
RevenantKioku said:
Right...
Dabookerman
Member
perfectchaos007 said:
You have your Smash Bros and Mario Kart.
You should be grateful!
perfectchaos007 said:
Wii Fit, Wii Music, and Mario Party are for everyone just like Super Mario Bros on the NES was and just like all the new franchises that appear every generation on Nintendo consoles.
If you didn't pick up ExiteBots and and are not planning on picking up Punch Out!! then it is probably time to move on to PS360. Really, Nintendo hasn't changed much this generation other than expanding their portfolio, releasing more games than ever, and finding audiences that Sony and Microsoft forgot existed. Galaxy and Twilight are surely the last of the types of games in those franchises that we will see that appeal to the type of gamer birthed in the PS1 era.
Bottom line: if a certain portion of GAF is now disenfranchised with Nintendo that same portion is slowly going to become disenfranchised with the direction MS and Sony will be heading in the next ten years...if both of those companies remain in the gaming space.
Kenka said:
Protip: They are not talking to you.
OnPoint said:
If a sequel comes it won't be they type of sequel GAF is expecting, that is for sure.
Also, I think what Kaigler is trying to get across is the Nintendo does not want to fall into the trap that others have fallen into. Disney ran their animation legacy into the gutter from overexposure and Pixar is getting dangerously close to a similar situation by going with annual releases.
perfectchaos007
Member
Yes Boss! said:
dammit I don't want to, but Nintendo isn't leaving me much choice. I'd like to think I've out grown Nintendo, but now Nintendo seems to be appealing to an audience much older than me!! It's not that nintendo is kiddy, it never has been for me, I've never found zelda or Mario kiddy, but the software they bring out now is just so casual. They did give us metroid and last I heard, Retro is still in business so maybe we'll hear something from them? but a 360 is just a $199 investment so I guess I don't have much to lose. It's sure better than waiting on Nintendo to please me. That sounded wrong
adama-rama
Neo Member
Full Recovery said:
Sounds like Denise Kaigler. She doesn't come across as a typical video game PR person.
They can't all be Perrin...
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Linkified said:
She knows the difference, but she's trying to challenge people's concept of core gaming.
This is Nintendo's mission, the reason why they will not pigeonhole certain gamers at every turn is because they want to bridge them all. Denise Kaigler knows this, and if you have the opportunity to ask Nintendo, and you pay attention to what they're saying, you'll notice it right away.
The reason why "core" gamers, as most people are defining now won't be satisfied with E3 is because Nintendo wants to change the definition of "Core".
When bitmob asked her what Nintendo can do to satisfy the Core audiences besides reviving franchises, the question itself is really uninformed. Hardcore gamers want new franchises from Nintendo that cater to their needs, what Nintendo wants to do is to introduce gamers into a realm where values from the expanded audience and Core values are bridged. That is, you likely won't get "new" IPs specifically catered to the hardcore, because you'll mistake them for casual games.
What Nintendo calls Core is really their existing fanbase and new experiences that can be shared with expanded audience members. From that definition Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Kart Wii and Phantom Hourglass are all Core games. Not a macho culture of bigger and badder, visuals and explosions on new IPs that can't be shared with everybody. They're not gonna be doing that now.
maniac-kun
Member
tetris the grandmaster 3 is a hardcore arcade game and its not simple. if nintendo would do awesome games like this no one would complain.Eteric Rice said:
Considering this is the same company that as early as 1987 would intentionally undership good games at Christmas in hopes that customers would be forced to buy shitty games and wait til after Christmas to get the good games they want, I can't believe anyone remains to be shocked at anything Nintendo does. They have been all about dicking consumers around in one way or another from day 1.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Yes Boss! said:
Great post. Nintendo has actually increased their output this gen over last; if gamers aren't satisfied with it then they should seriously reconsider if Nintendo is for them.
You know, if I only owned a Wii this gen, I would be pissed off reading this. Whether its the fault of the third-parties or Nintendo, there just aren't as many good "core" games coming to the Wii as there are coming to the HD consoles. And seeing this statement that basically says, "We read the complaints and it just shows how much we're loved" all the while NOA is still dragging their feet on bringing some games here. I can see why people are calling bs on this.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Stupid PR is stupid.
That being said 1st party game-wise, Nintendo has supported their machine far more than Sony and Microsoft have, so most arguments to the contrary are moot.
That being said 1st party game-wise, Nintendo has supported their machine far more than Sony and Microsoft have, so most arguments to the contrary are moot.
adama-rama
Neo Member
lawblob said:
Will do. Right after I kill this undead cow thingy.
majortom1981
Member
Where in the nintendos employees quote does it say that they cant satisfy core gamers and we hope they enjoy it?
There is a difference between bashing nintendo and Outright lying.
There is a difference between bashing nintendo and Outright lying.
I just don't get those defending this. Yes, hardcore gamers are insatiable, but Wii-only gamers are being starved. If Nintendo's only response to this is more empty rhetoric like "We're just too awesome for hardcore gamers!" instead of, you know, more than two or three releases a year, I will continue to be thankful that I also have my 360 and PC.
PuppetMaster
Member
RevenantKioku said:
Sure you have...
Well it clearly had the opposite effect on me. Nintendo consoles went from being my only console with the SNES and N64, to my 3rd in line console with the GCN and now the Wii. I never thought I would be playing the Wii less than I did the GCN, but I do. So I guess their plan of not satisfying us has cracks in it.
Taurus said:
Wow, he could have just as easily broken his neck and been paralyzed for life.
Awesome stunt though.
The only problem I have is with Nintendo doing these 3 month announcement-to-launch games. I HATE that. Excitebots and Punch-out are two examples. I just like to be a little more hyped and get the feeling that the game has been in development for a good amount of time. Yes I know it shouldn't matter if the game is fun/awesome but for some reason it matters to me.