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[Muppet345]

Miis in either of those games would have been terrible, and to be honest, I don't want them anywhere near Animal Crossing. Why devolve the AC characters? Miis aren't anywhere near as developed or interesting, design wise. They're great for stuff like Wii Sports or Wii Play, but not for "real" games.

Agreed completely. Unless they expand the Mii, I don't want to see them in Animal Crossing or anything other than "Wii [name]" titles. Even "converting" them would be pretty limited.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I hope Nintendo never allows them to use Miis. Let the 3rd parties come up with something original for a change

like Rabbids and MySims those are very cool, Miis should stay first party exclusive

Which is good, because the MySims are far more interesting and have far more personality than the Miis do.

I agree with this

 

[MarkMacD]

True, but as Nintendo themselves have said, they can add more options to the Mii system anytime. Would be nice to at least give people the -option- of using them....

 

[Deku]

I suspect casual Nintendo fans (or potential casual Nintendo fans) won't care much about third-party support on the DS or Wii, either.

I don't think that's true, actually despite constant innuendo about 3rd party titles not selling, the charts tend to prove otherwise. 3rd parties have about 50% of the software market in NA on the DS and even higher on the Wii (although we only have 2 months of data for this)

 

[Pellham]

maybe Nintendo doesn't want 3rd parties making games like a FPS where you get to mass-murder your miis.

(I'd buy a game like that)

 

[Ranger X]

Nintendo indeed seem to be sleeping at the wheel with the Miis. That concept is a gold mine, i think they should have figured already.

Maybe they aren't and will reveal new stuff in the coming months. I'd say next year would be too late though.

 

[underfooter]

Mysims would sell two or three times as good if it used the Mii's. It is gonna probably flop on its face now.




Which I guess is smart because it will probably suck. Keep the Mii's away from EA Nintendo, and let us use them in the awesome upcoming 'Animal' Crossing with wiiconnect24.

 

[Chris FOM]

Is there any outside confirmation of this? I'm pretty sure in an interview a few months back that Reggie was quoted as saying that 3rd parties had the option to use Miis, but none had chosen to do so.

OK, looks like the original interview was posted on MTV and has been taken down, but there's an IGN article sourced from it. IGN quote:

Apparently, Reggie's forthright attitude surprised even the interviewer, as he struggled to keep up with the Nintendo president's honest answers. When asked about the possibility of bundling Nunchucks in with the Wii remotes, Reggie hinted at the fact that this may happen, should there be enough demand for the add-on. He also shot down concerns over a sort of Wii 2.0 launching next year with built in DVD playback. When asked if there was a DVD playback-enabled Wii coming to North America next year, Reggie said that "the answer is no." The interviewer also asked about the likelihood of third-party support of Miis, and while Reggie confirmed the possibility, he did say that he has yet to see anyone take advantage of it.

So not definitive, but it sure doesn't sound like Nintendo is holding back, assuming Reggie was telling the truth.

 

[ethelred]

Good ol' Nintendo.

Is there any outside confirmation of this? I'm pretty sure in an interview a few months back that Reggie was quoted as saying that 3rd parties had the option to use Miis, but none had chosen to do so.

Isn't EA outside confirmation? I mean, it is the largest third party publisher in the world.

True, but as Nintendo themselves have said, they can add more options to the Mii system anytime. Would be nice to at least give people the -option- of using them....

Exactly. I can think they'd be a valuable addition to plenty of games, but even then, if just the option is there, that's going to be a pretty cool thing for a lot of gamers, so why not go for it? It makes one of the system's most fun built-in aspects a core part of some of its games... third parties should be able to deliver on that experience every bit as much as Nintendo itself.

 

[Chris FOM]

Good ol' Nintendo.



Isn't EA outside confirmation? I mean, it is the largest third party publisher in the world.

EA as a whole would be. A single EA producer is not. I want to hear this from multiple producers or a similar quote from another news source that doesn't source this interview as its original base beyond one, single source. As much as people try, they sometimes get wrong information, and this is something that could easily get confused. I'm not saying it's wrong, merely that jumping Nintendo based on an offhand comment by a producer in a single article (which Wii games has he produced thus far? anyone know?) is premature. Get some sort of confirmation.

 

[ethelred]

Miis in either of those games would have been terrible, and to be honest, I don't want them anywhere near Animal Crossing. Why devolve the AC characters? Miis aren't anywhere near as developed or interesting, design wise. They're great for stuff like Wii Sports or Wii Play, but not for "real" games.

Three words:

Koei. MII MUSOU.

3 million copies sold, day one. I'm a ****ing genius.

 

[bumpkin]

Agreed completely. Unless they expand the Mii, I don't want to see them in Animal Crossing or anything other than "Wii [name]" titles. Even "converting" them would be pretty limited.

They could do something like have a wing of the museum that houses the Miis in your Mii channel, or maybe rotates them like the Mii parade. The potential is there for Mii integration, especially in AC, Nintendo's just got to tap it the right way.

 

[Drensch]

In a sense it could be bad that they aren't sharing the miis. On the other hand, I think it's fair to say thatthe Miis now have brand value, and letting any developer use the miis in a game could tarnish their image and brand value, not to mention grab lazy developers using miis as a crutch.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Three words:

Koei. MII MUSOU.

3 million copies sold, day one. I'm a ****ing genius.

Not only would it sell, but it would be disgustingly cute.

 

[ethelred]

Not only would it sell, but it would be disgustingly cute.

Forget Gundams. Slicing down wave upon wave of bloodthirsty Miis is the future.

Mii Sports = 1 million copies
Mii Play = 1 million copies
Musou = 1 million copies

Mii Musou = 3 million copies

Ima be rich.

 

[Ranger X]

Even "converting" them would be pretty limited.

This is only limited to devs imagination. Miis should truly be pushed. There's many types of games it could fit and personalise the characters.

 

[splattergnome]

In a sense it could be bad that they aren't sharing the miis. On the other hand, I think it's fair to say thatthe Miis now have brand value, and letting any developer use the miis in a game could tarnish their image and brand value, not to mention grab lazy developers using miis as a crutch.

Nintendo let EA use Mario and Co. in their sport games during the GameCube era, so I really don't see any reason why they shouldn't let one of the most important third parties use Miis, either especially if it ensures further support.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Forget Gundams. Slicing down wave upon wave of bloodthirsty Miis is the future.

Mii Sports = 1 million copies
Mii Play = 1 million copies
Musou = 1 million copies

Mii Musou = 3 million copies

Ima be rich.

They'd have cute little chibi japanese suits of armour and shit. It would be cute overload. I don't think Wii has enough Pikmen to handle that kind of magnitude of adorability.

 

[enishi]

Why there is rumor of Nintendo holding Mii and network support for 3rd party when -

Sega announced their first WFC and Mii support game coming on 24th May in Japan?
http://www.sega.co.jp/wii/pphokuto/

Although it is just a pachinko game......

 

[mollipen]

Three words:
Koei. MII MUSOU.
3 million copies sold, day one. I'm a ****ing genius.

Now, okay... THAT I can get behind.

 

[MutFox]

Mii FPS, where I can create people I hate and brutally kill them...
Hmmm... Maybe that's why Nintendo hasn't let 3rd parties use them.

 

[TDG]

The Mii idea is just so great, but Nintendo has REALLY dropped the ball on this one.
All they're really doing by not allowing 3rd-parties to fully take advantage of the features on the Wii to make make fresh new titles is encouraging more ports from the PS2/PSP instead of new IPs utilizing more of the unique features of the Wii.

 

[Diablos54]

The Mii idea is just so great, but Nintendo has REALLY dropped the ball on this one.
All they're really doing by not allowing 3rd-parties to fully take advantage of the features on the Wii to make make fresh new titles is encouraging more ports from the PS2/PSP instead of new IPs utilizing more of the unique features of the Wii.

http://www.sega.co.jp/wii/pphokuto/

Read the whole thread next time.

 

[TDG]

http://www.sega.co.jp/wii/pphokuto/

Read the whole thread next time.

Now now, I read the thread. Let's not be nasty.
I have to say though, SEGA and EA are totally different beasts. You want EA to be able to put something out that's unique and utilizes the Wii's features, and Nintendo doesn't appear to be allowing them to do that.

 

[No.1]

Wait... there's an online system for the Wii? News to me.

 

[MacGuffin]

Didn't Reggie or someone say that everyone had access to the Mii data like a couple months ago in some interview?

Specifically I thought I remember them saying EA had the info and no one had chosen to use it yet..

Am I mistaken?

 

[Zoramon089]

Now now, I read the thread. Let's not be nasty.
I have to say though, SEGA and EA are totally different beasts. You want EA to be able to put something out that's unique and utilizes the Wii's features, and Nintendo doesn't appear to be allowing them to do that.

In all honesty, I think Nintendo will reveal everything to devs at the GDC in a couple days. WiiConnect24 support, online tools, 3rd party Wii tools, etc.

 

[King Dork]

Sure they've learned something. They've learned that they can sell lots of their first-party software in an environment with little third-party competition, because Nintendo fans don't seem to care about software droughts.

Oh wow. And I thought I was the only one clever enough to figure out Nintendo's dirty little secret.

 

[TDG]

In all honesty, I think Nintendo will reveal everything to devs at the GDC in a couple days. WiiConnect24 support, online tools, 3rd party Wii tools, etc.

Lets hope so, though I'm not sure what took so long.

 

[Haunted]

They'd have cute little chibi japanese suits of armour and shit. It would be cute overload. I don't think Wii has enough Pikmen to handle that kind of magnitude of adorability.

SD Gundam: Scad Hammers says hi.

Well, it's no real Musou - but it's close! I think more games with big Mii-involvement in gameplay would be great.

 

[dyls]

Nintendo indeed seem to be sleeping at the wheel with the Miis. That concept is a gold mine, i think they should have figured already.

Maybe they aren't and will reveal new stuff in the coming months. I'd say next year would be too late though.

Exactly. If you had a goldmine, would you let people just wander around in it and take whatever they wanted, or would you keep everyone the hell away from it?

 

[Ranger X]

Exactly. If you had a goldmine, would you let people just wander around in it and take whatever they wanted, or would you keep everyone the hell away from it?

I also means that letting third party use them is a gold mine.

 

[dyls]

I also means that letting third party use them is a gold mine.

You mean if they license the data for a royalty fee? That could be a good idea, and maybe why third-parties aren't using them (yes, I know about the Sega game.)

 

[justchris]

Three words:

Koei. MII MUSOU.

3 million copies sold, day one. I'm a ****ing genius.

Why are you so brilliant?

They'd have cute little chibi japanese suits of armour and shit. It would be cute overload. I don't think Wii has enough Pikmen to handle that kind of magnitude of adorability.

No, please, stop, I'm not equipped to handle that much cute on a Thursday.

 

[QuickKick89]

I'm pretty sure 3rd parties have the tools for online already. While it wasn't live online, do remember that Elebits had WiiConnect24 support and that was close to launch. I don't think Nintendo is trying to give its 1st party any advantage and purposely withholding the tools. I don't see how this would be beneficial to them.

$

 

[Dragona Akehi]

SD Gundam: Scad Hammers says hi.

Well, it's no real Musou - but it's close! I think more games with big Mii-involvement in gameplay would be great.

But you see, this would involve just Miis. In tiny little Japanese armour. Disgusting.

No, please, stop, I'm not equipped to handle that much cute on a Thursday.

The only thing possibly cuter would be KITTEN MUSOU.

The universe would simply implode from the cuteness factor.

 

[SouthernDragon]

Oh, Nintendo.

Please don't be a dick this gen.

Please.

 

[favouriteflavour]

wouldnt games which used mii's need to have similar art? why the hell would i want that?
variety please.

 

[justchris]

The only thing possibly cuter would be KITTEN MUSOU.

The universe would simply implode from the cuteness factor.

I'd buy it, along with that week's dose of insulin.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Three words:

Koei. MII MUSOU.

3 million copies sold, day one. I'm a ****ing genius.

/win

heh I want to make a lu-bu mii now :lol

 

[aeolist]

Miis are essentially Nintendo-owned characters, right? Why would Nintendo allow just any studio to put their characters into a third party game?

I mean I can certainly see a third party pitching a Mii game idea to Nintendo and getting official support, but I don't think it'd be a good idea to just give them away as part of the SDK.

 

[QuickKick89]

Oh, Nintendo.

Please don't be a dick this gen.

Please.

If anything, they're already the biggest they've ever been.

 

[sprsk]

Damn kitten musou!!!

 

[Baryn]

Well, as much as this is a dumb move, i don't think it's that dumb. How out of place would a Mii look in a Madden game? :/

Very and awesome.

 

[gutter_trash]

I would love to have Miis present in R*'s Manhunt 2.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

It's like Nintendo gets off by being withholding.

 

[EphemeralDream]

Not sure how involved he is in the development process but back at Konami Gamer's Day GT held an interview with KoA's Jason Enos who is Senior Product Manager.

This is an excerpt from that interview when they're discussing DDR: Hottest Party. His response is very vague PRish but I would think in his role he knows what features are possible and what are not.

GT: Now, there haven't been a lot of Wii games with online functionality and I'm guessing with a game like this it's really difficult to do online play. But have you guys thought about maybe doing online leaderboards, something like that where you can upload your high scores and maybe compare them against everyone else's?
Jason Enos: Yeah [stutter] definitely we've gotten that feedback a lot, even tonight at the show. It would be great to you know have your Mii and be able to do things with that or maybe see it on the screen. Right now sort of sky's the limit and I mean we're still looking at all the things we could possibly do but we sort of have a general idea about what we want to do which is to make it a great, fun game.

Sloppy transcription and his wording makes it sound like he's not sure if they can do it but he did bring up Miis up on his own. The SEGA game is a better example (and I kind of forgot about it before writing this) since it basically confirms that their usage is not completely locked.

 

[justchris]

They could always do a sort of 'Where's Waldo' type thing with Miis.

You're playing Call of Duty 4, invading a city, and among the innocent people running to get away from the fighting, there's a Mii in the crowd. You get an unlockable bonus if you headshot it.

In Burnout, extra points for hitting a Mii to initate a crash.

In Tiger Woods, use the pointer to have Tiger Woods point to a Mii in the crowd and unlock a new set of clubs.

Wow, I have stupid ideas at work.

 

[sprsk]

Wii Play does Where's Waldo with Mii's

 

[santouras]

Miis are essentially Nintendo-owned characters, right? Why would Nintendo allow just any studio to put their characters into a third party game?

I mean I can certainly see a third party pitching a Mii game idea to Nintendo and getting official support, but I don't think it'd be a good idea to just give them away as part of the SDK.

thats a very good point

If anything, they're already the biggest they've ever been.

huh?