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Nioh Alpha Demo Feedback
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Go and play Dark souls then and stop complaining.
The game is not dark souls. Deal with it.
I noticed the visuals for like 30 seconds, then got too engrossed in the gameplay to care.
Action mode all the way.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Frame rate is arse, needs massive improvement.
LordGorchnik
Member
I really hope everyone who has posted their thoughts put their feedback on the link that KT games sent out. Some of this feedback is really good such as "Offering all unequipped to shrine" etc.
Press R1 after you finish attacking and see the blue aura converging on the character. If there's a big sparkle it means you pulled it off perfectly.
Weapon degradation needs to be toned down. Consumeables that repair said weapons and armor drop far less often early on, making it more sensible to farm extra weapons instead of repair stuffs. You need to be able to purchase these things from somewhere to avoid being forced to respawn everything at a shrine, where you still can't purchase consumeables. The game has some camera issues, especially if you get an object inbetween the camera and player avatar. Most games would simply make anything in that zone transparent. Stones are super important to allow players to avoid drawing too much aggro from groups and these dont drop very often early on, which is pretty rough when players die in 1-2 hits before getting any armor.
Lion Heart
Banned
I'd buy the game as is, the demo was genius since I was only slightly interested before.
I would prefer if armor durability was improved as well since you can't even repair it afaik. Also tighten up the graphics on level 3 and we have a winner.
I would prefer if armor durability was improved as well since you can't even repair it afaik. Also tighten up the graphics on level 3 and we have a winner.
You can repair Armor with an item, name ends with Glue.
One usage of that item repairs every piece of armor you have equipped.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Just begged for font size options on the whole menu/image system
no way
lucebuce12
Member
Yep. When the blue bar fills up fully on your stamina meter, press R1.
Alternatively, you can look at the blue particles hovering around your character. I believe they all come close, or line up or something when the blue bar gets full.
I personally just used the stamina bar to do it.
EDIT: I might have worded it incorrectly. When you do moves, a blue bar starts filling up in your stamina gauge. It starts from the current stamina you have left, and fills up to a large chunk of the stamina you just used. When you press R1, it gives you back stamina depending on where the blue bar is. If the blue bar is filled fully, then it gives you as much Ki as possible, indicating a perfect Ki pulse.
No
There's a blue aura visual cue that circles around the character and converges when whenever you stop attacking. Press R1 when it converges closest to the character to do a ki pulse.
If there's a big sparkle then you pulled it off.
lucebuce12
Member
Definately add rotating item shortcuts. Hate switching between Fire Shuriken and Shuriken in the option menu's.
Basically it's REALLY f'n hard at the start, but once you get the combat system down, it's so satisfying. The combat is better than Dark Souls i'd say but worse than Bloodborne. So in the middle.
Basically it's REALLY f'n hard at the start, but once you get the combat system down, it's so satisfying. The combat is better than Dark Souls i'd say but worse than Bloodborne. So in the middle.
Too fresh ti compare it yet, but I agree that the combat is very good, including the lock on mechanic that gives you more freedom and doesnt completely hinder your maneuverability like it usually does.
Weeaboosuke
Member
lucebuce12
Member
Agreed, the transformation was really overpowered. It could be balanced by making it very difficult to acquire so you could save it until a key moment when you need it, but as it stands it's fairly easy to always have it for a boss encounter.
And once you exhaust the boss/empty it's stamina bar, it's just as susceptible.
LordGorchnik
Member
How do you unleash your spirit animal? I press the button once the gauge is flashing but nothing happens.
johndoe11235
Member
It's all good. Just don't look at the flames and destroy all impurities with ki pulse.
No seriously I hope they do they something about the frame rate.
Just don't look at any object with animation that's more than few meters away from your character, baddies running at like ~10fps is hilarious though.
lucebuce12
Member
Also don't drop too much of your stuff at once. Game was running at 60 fps, I dropped a LOT of stuff, game was then running around 25-30 fps near that area lol.
Just beat the first boss on the first try. Never really played a souls game before. It took about 5 hours to get to that boss after dying multiple times. I think I was overleveled for that boss as well (around level 23-24). I had a lot of fun playing the alpha and might get around to doing the second level before it ends.
I'm not really sure how my experience applies to the balancing since I needed to "git gud." Stamina stun is really punishing as a system, yet the Ki pulse regain balances it out. Enemies can kill you in one to two hits without armor. I haven't really seen a penalty for having a large weight count.
Depending on the balancing of this game on launch, I might wait a few days before buying it.
How do you level up your guardian spirit? I noticed that some of its buffs are grayed out unless I meet some requirement. Is it through dumping points into spirit?
I'm not really sure how my experience applies to the balancing since I needed to "git gud." Stamina stun is really punishing as a system, yet the Ki pulse regain balances it out. Enemies can kill you in one to two hits without armor. I haven't really seen a penalty for having a large weight count.
Depending on the balancing of this game on launch, I might wait a few days before buying it.
How do you level up your guardian spirit? I noticed that some of its buffs are grayed out unless I meet some requirement. Is it through dumping points into spirit?
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Oh man I found that way too amusing for some reason. Brings me back.
If you're overweight, you lose ALL of your stamina in a single attack. I think thats a bit too much tbh. It dosen't really give you the option of being overweight when its handled this way. I would hope that you should pay some penalties for being overweight such as higher stamina consumption, slower run speed, extended recovery frames, longer stamina recharge. All of these penalties would increase the more overweight you are
I think I countered some of it with some equips providing Ki recovery speed. About 4 armor pieces of mine and one of the accessories offered Ki recovery. Using Ki pulse really made the lack of stamina less of an issue.
You don't need to do this to do it, you'll only regain small amounts of stamina. The easiest way to identify it is after expending stamina the part of the bar that's red will quickly turn white and the amount of red that's covered by white when you press R1 determines how much stamina you get back.
Just beat second boss too. Combat is so good in this. Really, compared to yesterday and the very first part of the demo felt i was really learning. From soulish gameplay when you unlock combos and moves it becomes a completely different and awesome gameplay.
A great thing is it rewards skill, beat the second boss with every piece of equipment broken, once i got his pattern it wasn't so difficult.
Played a total of 10 hours, both missions. The only downside to this demo is the loot system, too many loot drop, graphics are not so good (but i am good with it at 60 fps), level design is not so good, especially the second mission area. Enemies placement is a bit too unforgiving.
Anyway i already compiled the feedback survey. This game has potential to be a great game.
A great thing is it rewards skill, beat the second boss with every piece of equipment broken, once i got his pattern it wasn't so difficult.
Played a total of 10 hours, both missions. The only downside to this demo is the loot system, too many loot drop, graphics are not so good (but i am good with it at 60 fps), level design is not so good, especially the second mission area. Enemies placement is a bit too unforgiving.
Anyway i already compiled the feedback survey. This game has potential to be a great game.
How does Ki pulse help when you cant even finish a combo? Its all gone in one swing.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah, as someone who has a lot of problems with this demo, I feel the stamina management was fine. I wouldn't change it.
Why not let you circle-strafe around your locked-on target, AND also allow you to freely run, like in Dark Souls 2 and 3?
I'm not going to say "this game needs to be more like Dark Souls!" about everything. I get that it's its own thing. But Dark Souls games did a lot of things right, and when there is no reason to not replicate these ideas, well...
The lock-on system in Ni Oh is really bad right now. I absolutely hate it. It reminds me of when I played The Witcher 2, lol.
Oh gods those revenants are really intrusive and distracting. Several times I tried to watch the environment for clues or ambushes and the damn revenants blocked my view.
Oh yeah those damn crates in the ship boss fight too. Always had to smash them right away 'cause they'd block my view. Actually the camera just kind of sucks...
Agreed on both.
I don't do finishers. And I had like 55% weight capacity. Some of the enemies dropped in three hits before I could land a finisher. The tankier ones I had to pace myself and not be greedy. They all have some super armor on attacks and fully commit to their attack.
Ki pulse helped when I started investing in those Ki reduction skills so 1-2 Ki pulse, 1-2-3 Ki pulse, etc. I mainly used a katana for my run.
MMaRsu
Banned
Check out this gif.
Thats basically what im seeing here. Once the stamina bar is fully blue, he presses r1 right?
You can destroy those stamina draining aoe that the "zombies" make?
GinoFelino
Member
I think the game is goddamn tremendous.
The game is in alpha, and already I'm finding it more exciting to play than Dark Souls 3.
This game gives me the feeling I had playing Bloodborne; Souls gameplay, but wholly fresh and exciting.
Enemy damage is brutal, making the game more grindy than it needs to be, and the dash/dodge would benefit from a buff, but the art, the armor, the combat, the setting...It's so much better than I expected it to be.
Welcome back, Team Ninja.
The game is in alpha, and already I'm finding it more exciting to play than Dark Souls 3.
This game gives me the feeling I had playing Bloodborne; Souls gameplay, but wholly fresh and exciting.
Enemy damage is brutal, making the game more grindy than it needs to be, and the dash/dodge would benefit from a buff, but the art, the armor, the combat, the setting...It's so much better than I expected it to be.
Welcome back, Team Ninja.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Notice the blue sparkles around him. You can use that to time your Ki Pulses without watching the stamina bar and taking your eyes off the action. It takes a not of practice.
Kwansu Dudes
Member
You use Square and Triangle to parry from Mid Stance with the Kahana.
I am part of the leave it as it is crowd regarding Stamina. There really should've been a tutorial because learning the mechanics was brutal and downright frustrating.
Oh my bad, we're talking about 2 different things. I was talking about actually going over 100% weight capacity. No wonder I didn't follow what you were saying.
Chronospherics
Member
Some pretty glaring issues in the demo.
For one, there's no elevation adjustment for locked on targets or camera orientation. So fighting on any surface that isn't flat is a bad idea, yet the game features plenty of these surfaces. Gets little dull having to constantly draw enemies back to areas that are viable to fight in, though some areas are much better than others. Also means you have an uphill advantage. Enemies above you will whiff, but you will hit their feet, but it varies from one attack to another. Either way, pretty poor design.
Cameraing is generally pretty poor throughout, plenty of instances where you can barely see anything when walking down narrow corridors and whatnot. Not sure why the game features so many narrow or linear segments anyway, considering the fights are at their best, and less hampered by things like camera issues in more open spaces.
Difficulty seems okay once it gets going, I like that enemies are more aggressive and less skippable than they are in souls. Running past shit gets you into more trouble than it's often worth, which is neat.
For one, there's no elevation adjustment for locked on targets or camera orientation. So fighting on any surface that isn't flat is a bad idea, yet the game features plenty of these surfaces. Gets little dull having to constantly draw enemies back to areas that are viable to fight in, though some areas are much better than others. Also means you have an uphill advantage. Enemies above you will whiff, but you will hit their feet, but it varies from one attack to another. Either way, pretty poor design.
Cameraing is generally pretty poor throughout, plenty of instances where you can barely see anything when walking down narrow corridors and whatnot. Not sure why the game features so many narrow or linear segments anyway, considering the fights are at their best, and less hampered by things like camera issues in more open spaces.
Difficulty seems okay once it gets going, I like that enemies are more aggressive and less skippable than they are in souls. Running past shit gets you into more trouble than it's often worth, which is neat.
Check out this gif.
The other visual indicator is just as the white orb things are about to be collected by your character is when you can do it. You don't have to stare at your stamina bar.
grandwizard
Member
What they already have here design wise is brilliant. My issues are technical and mainly about framerate.
I hope they don't change too much based on reactionary impressions off this demo. This is a new thing and plays like a new thing and that's why it's so exciting. It's not Ninja Gaiden or Dark Souls but a fusion of both with it's own twists on it. The Ki Pulse 'active reload' is smart and feels awesome which is the best way to add something new to an action game. Unfortunately gamers have a history of hating on something new without taking the time to learn it, expecting it to be like something that's come before it and that it's just failing at copying it correctly. Don't let this happen here please.
The lock-on could have a tighter field that it sways between but I do like that it lets you run around and doesn't lock your character direction. It fits this game and if you want to focus your character you can just tap block.
Oh, and I could tell people would hate the sudden stop when depleting all your stamina would be really hated just like it was in The Evil Within. It's a harsh but fair punishment imo, eyes should always be on stamina.
I hope they don't change too much based on reactionary impressions off this demo. This is a new thing and plays like a new thing and that's why it's so exciting. It's not Ninja Gaiden or Dark Souls but a fusion of both with it's own twists on it. The Ki Pulse 'active reload' is smart and feels awesome which is the best way to add something new to an action game. Unfortunately gamers have a history of hating on something new without taking the time to learn it, expecting it to be like something that's come before it and that it's just failing at copying it correctly. Don't let this happen here please.
The lock-on could have a tighter field that it sways between but I do like that it lets you run around and doesn't lock your character direction. It fits this game and if you want to focus your character you can just tap block.
Oh, and I could tell people would hate the sudden stop when depleting all your stamina would be really hated just like it was in The Evil Within. It's a harsh but fair punishment imo, eyes should always be on stamina.
Jawbreaker
Member
Here are some things I'd like to see changed/adjusted.
I'm loving the game despite all of this.
- The frame rate is currently all over the place. I like that you get to choose between frame rate and better IQ, but please get the "action mode" to a more consistent 60.
- Sometimes it's difficult to see the enemy you're attacking in front of you. Adjust the camera so this isn't the case.
- A way to repair your equipment at shrines would be nice. While I haven't run into a shortage of repair materials in the alpha, it could be provided at a cost at least.
- Animations are a little stiff. I would love to see them polished up a bit before release. Giving them more fluidity will just feel and look better overall and add to the joy of combat.
- If I throw a rock at an enemy to separate them from a group, I don't expect it to aggro the others. There needs to be consistency here, otherwise it feels more like a roll of the dice than a strategic move.
- The heal button can be unresponsive at times. I've found myself annoyed that pressing "up" on the d-pad has sometimes made me a sitting duck instead of reacting appropriately. A mechanic this crucial should not be dodgy.
- Tone it down just a tad on the loot. I get that it's tied into using it as fodder to get consumables, but sitting at the shrine rummaging through a bunch of useless shit to sell breaks the pace of the game and gets tedious. Less loot, consumable rewards for less; just balance it.
I'm loving the game despite all of this.
E_Darkness
Member
Maybe they can add in options to get rid of certain rarity of loot. You ain't gonna wear that common trash now are you?!
Jawbreaker
Member
I thought about this — and there's no harm in having that option — but I've come across common loot that I preferred over the more uncommon ones. : p
The core of this game is kind of amazing. It's super complex and deep in a unique way. My complaints mostly stem from balancing issues, including hitboxes, enemy placement, and one hit kill attacks that feel a little too punishing.
I'm of two minds on tutorials and educating players on the mechanics. On one hand I've really enjoyed the process of parsing out how the game's systems and encounters work, but on another I can see a lot of people not taking full advantage of the complexity and getting frustrated that Souls tactics don't work. Curious to see how the finished game tackles this.
I'm of two minds on tutorials and educating players on the mechanics. On one hand I've really enjoyed the process of parsing out how the game's systems and encounters work, but on another I can see a lot of people not taking full advantage of the complexity and getting frustrated that Souls tactics don't work. Curious to see how the finished game tackles this.
E_Darkness
Member
I mean at the start of the 2nd mission the common loot was much stronger gear than what I was wearing, so I guess then is the time I'd use it
After beating the second boss I'm liking the game more
yes it has issues and I hope they fix them, but it was still fun overall
the highlights of this demo are the amazing bosses(imo) and the deep battle system
yes the movement is weird and off sometimes, but nothing that can't be fixed.
I really liked the second boss alot.
yes it has issues and I hope they fix them, but it was still fun overall
the highlights of this demo are the amazing bosses(imo) and the deep battle system
yes the movement is weird and off sometimes, but nothing that can't be fixed.
I really liked the second boss alot.
Feels like Samurai Souls.
I like how punishing mistakes are, where at first, literally any enemy can kill you in two hits. Makes it feel very tense, but then it starts to become bullshit when you're tasked with taking out an entire group.
I beat the Oni boss and tried the second area but not really sure how far it lets me play. I don't know if I'd buy this at launch. Got whatever the DLC reward was and stopped playing.
I like how punishing mistakes are, where at first, literally any enemy can kill you in two hits. Makes it feel very tense, but then it starts to become bullshit when you're tasked with taking out an entire group.
I beat the Oni boss and tried the second area but not really sure how far it lets me play. I don't know if I'd buy this at launch. Got whatever the DLC reward was and stopped playing.