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Nippon Ichi is fine! It was a mistranslation, d00ds.
- Thread starter zeromcd73
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sony doesn't care enough to buy a struggling japanese developer. they would be sure to shut down nis america too, i'm sure.
The user base is there, yes. Those consoles don't disappear into thin air. The buyer base looks to be gone.
SliceSabre
Banned
I've done my part for every Disgaea game and will continue to do so.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Honestly, the company is suffering because of their backward thinking. This type of game will never sell alone on PS4. They need to port some of their backlog to ios/Steam to have any chance of success. Having a short sighted vision of focusing on the Japanese market is hurting them badly.
Yeah. I mean, they only (more or less) recently disbanded one of their oldest studios (Liverpool). I don't get why people think that Sony
1) would be interested
and
2) would be good news.
Also, Sony wouldn't really gain anything. If no one is willing to pick up NIS or the Disgaea franchise, they obviously aren't worth it, and if someone does, future games would likely come out on Sony's platforms anyway.
Bomber Bob
Banned
RIP NIS
influentzar
Member
When I look at this list of releases, PS3 still have healthy sales at least in early 2015.
If not, Tales of Zestiria, Yakuza 0, SAO wouldn't release there, would it?
ShogunDarius
Member
Noooooooooooooooooo I can't imagine nis and nisa dying, the horror of relying on atlus eu localizations D:
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Do it SCEJ. At least help them with some funding. Disgaea titles are cheeeeeeap to make in comparison to some of the stuff they make.
In fairness, VC was a well funded and unique game. Disgaea is neither.
Any word on VC steam numbers?
I regularly see PS3 titles getting outsold by their PS4 versions in Japan.
Aquamarine
Member
They have a market cap of 3.48 billion JPY ($29.2 million).
I think Disgaea is quite unique. Not the individual games but the series. Anyway, my favourite game of theirs is actually Phantom Brave. Which is very unique.
As for budget, I really think that a large portion of the Steam audience doesn't care much.
That seems a bit pricey. I imagine nobody will buy the company as a whole but would be interested in the successful parts.
The reason for that is that strategy games don't sell (well) on concoles.
Which is the last TBS game that sold a lot of copies on consoles?
Meanwhile, handhelds, phones and PC's all have numerous successful strategy titles. 2 out of those platforms are also very big in Japan.
Instead they bet everything on PS4.. even though it's sells afwully in their home market and the sales of their PS3 entries weren't exactly growing. Doesn't seem l ike a great idea.
This is obviously armchair analysis and i do hope it works out for them.
I've never played Disgaea, though I've heard a few friends sing its praises. I'm not sure if this is the type of game I'd like, to be honest. I'm also not sure if the 5th installment is the best time to jump in. Will I be missing a lot?
The reason I ask is because I don't like seeing talented developers go out of business if I can help it. I mean, I already have a PS4, and a studio that's releasing it's 5th installment of a niche franchise must be doing something right, eh?
The reason I ask is because I don't like seeing talented developers go out of business if I can help it. I mean, I already have a PS4, and a studio that's releasing it's 5th installment of a niche franchise must be doing something right, eh?
GhostTrick
Banned
None. But we know that Ethan Carter sold more than 70k and Shovel Knight sold more than 100k on Steam.
Considering that Valkyria Chronicles seems to have sold more...
GhostTrick
Banned
I think NIS already tried Steam... but they failed. Of cpurse that was with an unknown IP.
KiTA
Member
We've known this for a while. The fact that they're now openly talking about it is horrifying, though.
Edit:
Wait, they just said that out of the blue in an unrelated discussion? Holy crap, they must be in really, REALLY bad shape.
nintendork666
Member
Poor NIS, they're awesome. I hate seeing companies that actually bother bringing niche titles over here struggle.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Disgaea 4 is at 170k. There's some hope I guess.
No not really! It's just unfortunate that their portfolio is so specifically niche.
My gaming tastes changed over time, and I would have liked to see them grow their franchises a bit more.
Take Vanillaware, for example. I feel like they've made efforts to keep themselves relevant. Dragon's Crown is a good example of how they've taken their expertise and art-flair in side-scrolling RPGs like Odin's Sphere and transposed it to a broadly-appealing Dragon's Crown.
Or Atlus, and the way they made a conscious choice to push the Persona series in different directions (see P3 and P4, as opposed to say the Shin Megami series), and also to team up with Arc System Works to make a fighting game using Persona characters.
NIS did good by having their Danganronpa series crossover into an TPS-action-adventure game (see: Danganronpa Another Adventure). They should try to do the same for Disgaea as well.
durrrrrrrrrr
Member
NIS Business Strategy:
1. make Disgaea to save company
2. make a bunch of stuff no one wants
3. repeat step 1
didn't they try the same sob story with D4?
1. make Disgaea to save company
2. make a bunch of stuff no one wants
3. repeat step 1
didn't they try the same sob story with D4?
lazyproblems
Member
Yikes, them talking about this publicly is a very bad sign. Hoping for the best, but hard to get too hopeful knowing D5 is being released the same day as Bloodborne.
NIS does not own Danganronpa. Danganronpa is developed and owned by Spike Chunsoft. NISA, the English localization branch of NIS, localized and published the games in North America and Europe. They don't own the games themselves, however.
OmegaDL50
Member
The port wouldn't nearly be as expensive compared to other hardware, as the PS4 runs on x86 architecture, so making a PC port would be a fairly straight forward affair, compared to say porting from Power PC derived Cell Broadband architecture to x86 PC instead.
I don't think he was being serious there personally. Reads like he is "jokingly" playing for sympathy sales in the face of launching against a much bigger title.
If N1 seriously had so much riding on Disgaea 5 alone there's no way they wouldn't also at least be releasing it on PS3 as well, where they know their established audience already is.
If N1 seriously had so much riding on Disgaea 5 alone there's no way they wouldn't also at least be releasing it on PS3 as well, where they know their established audience already is.
BONKERS
Member
Disgaea is definitely one of those. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
And yeah the budget isn't high> But the games are great, I certainly wouldn't care otherwise on PC. Where people could probably mod in higher quality sprites. I know I would do it.
Sparrowhawk
Member
If they released a game on mobile they wouldn't have to worry about anything.
I'm not talking about moving to mobile-only, but it would definitely stop the ship from sinking.
I don't really play any of their games, but I know so many people who love the Disgaea franchise and I'm just so used to their name being attached to quirky stuff. It'd be sad to see them go.
I'm not talking about moving to mobile-only, but it would definitely stop the ship from sinking.
I don't really play any of their games, but I know so many people who love the Disgaea franchise and I'm just so used to their name being attached to quirky stuff. It'd be sad to see them go.
Yes. It's an SRPG, and it's anime style, and it's a popular console niche franchise.
Each of those alone is enough for moderate success on Steam. All three combined? Oh boy.
Tiu Neo
Member
Didn't they say the same thing about Disgaea 4? Their new tactic to sell more copies is pity, now? 
I will buy when it comes west, anyway.
...that would also make their games more expensive to develop, so they'd have to balance the cost with the benefit. Not sure if their games would sell that much on Xbox. PC? I could see it selling well, probably.
I will buy when it comes west, anyway.
Go multiplatform and see more sales
Xbox/PlayStation/PC
...that would also make their games more expensive to develop, so they'd have to balance the cost with the benefit. Not sure if their games would sell that much on Xbox. PC? I could see it selling well, probably.
Sparrowhawk
Member
Look at all of the Final Fantasy being ported over to Steam.
I've been buying them just so they don't stop lol.
For example, I never thought I'd see the day Valkyria Chronicles released on Steam. There's also the Ys series and The Legend of Heroes series as well.
Digital distribution is also cheaper than physical. I think they would do rather well on Steam.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Disgaea probably sells 90% of its sales in JP so thats why PS3/4 was chose since thats where the audience is. Now I'm assuming PS4 was chosen instead of PS3 due to fears of franchise fatigue.
You could say the same for stuff like Agarest or Ys or The Legend of Heroes or Valkyrie Chronicles before they released, they all performed great there. In the end Steam is a platform that loves its RPGs and strategy games, and a platform that's very compatible with console-style game design (unlike mobile for instance). If there were a chance to expand that would probably be the path of least resistance.