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NIS CEO: "Important that PS4 and Switch balance out." Multiplat "very much" possible.

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Vita did not sell well in japan. 5 million units in 5 years, when it's predecessor did around 4 times that? I mean it's pretty clear that the bar is being lowered here and that the japanese market is dying. Is there even a real debate here? We are talking about factual numbers and PS3 sold less than half it's Predecessor as well.
It's selling well enough to get supported by many Japanese developers, same as the PS4. You're in a NIS thread and I keep mentioning niche games, what do you think we're talking about?

Hell, just under a week ago, NIS even announced a new game for Vita/PS4 (and again, no Switch version whatsoever).

Vita is a failure even in japan. It didnt sell anywhere near PSP. Saying that PS4 sold just as well as Vita is not reassuring. It just recently outsold WiiU LTD despite WiiU being pretty much dead for about a year. Also PS4 failed to sell software. There is not even one million seller on Ps4. Not even FF, a surefire millionseller, could reach that number. Now PS4 is in a good situation still because there is no competition in the market but its not an incredible success at least in japan so far.
See above. The claim that the PS4 failed to sell software is just bogus. Multiple games are selling just as well on Vita as on PS4 and again, the Vita is clearly supported by niche devs as is the PS4 so the sales are high enough for the devs to warrant support.
 

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Foxconn Leak

The battery capacity is exactly the same. And the weight is very close, 302g+100g(measure by himself) vs 297g+101g.

There's a lot of mistranslation in the post. Other parts of the leak should be taken seriously.
It also claims a inaccurate things like 1080p screen and a 4g version, neither of which panned out. Not to mention the crazy stuff about a high spec switch with > PS4 Pro performance.
 

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I think it's time to accept its most likely a modified tx1 at 20nm clocked like the EG leak.
 

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It's selling well enough to get supported by many Japanese developers, same as the PS4. You're in a NIS thread and I keep mentioning niche games, what do you think we're talking about?

Hell, just under a week ago, NIS even announced a new game for Vita/PS4 (and again, no Switch version whatsoever).



See above. The claim that the PS4 failed to sell software is just bogus. Multiple games are selling just as well on Vita as on PS4 and again, the Vita is clearly supported by niche devs as is the PS4 so the sales are high enough for the devs to warrant support.
FWIW NIS probably only has one Switch Dev kit and they've given it to their main team/brand and they are there at launch. It all depends how it pans out.
 

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I do hope that being multi platform works out for them. So they're now on everything except for xbox
 

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It's selling well enough to get supported by many Japanese developers, same as the PS4. You're in a NIS thread and I keep mentioning niche games, what do you think we're talking about?

Hell, just under a week ago, NIS even announced a new game for Vita/PS4 (and again, no Switch version whatsoever).



See above. The claim that the PS4 failed to sell software is just bogus. Multiple games are selling just as well on Vita as on PS4 and again, the Vita is clearly supported by niche devs as is the PS4 so the sales are high enough for the devs to warrant support.
Since this isn't about hardware, I'll reply before disappearing.

It isn't about support for PS4 disappearing, its about a healthier Japan because these smaller devs can release the same game on PS4 and Switch with minimal effort, I think that any Japanese developer would be silly to go switch exclusive when the port for ps4 would take little to no extra work at all. Now if Switch sells like Vita in Japan, these developers will quickly dry up, but until we know that, it is a safer bet that Switch will do well there. (Not a lock, but their software sells in the millions in Japan and they are far and away the most popular software developer there)
 

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We know the clocks in the leak are bullshit along with the screen resolution, so as Emily Rogers would say, saying the leak is confirmed is stretching it a tiny bit.
No, I can read Chinese original post. The resolution is the signal's resolution sent to the TV, not the screen on the device. And the translator mixed leak and speculation.

It's also claims a inaccurate things like 1080p screen and a 4g version, neither of which panned out. Not to mention the crazy stuff about a high spec switch with > PS4 Pro performance.
My point is, other things might finally come true, like 4g edition.
 

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So do you expect to see FF XV, Ni No Kuni 2, Nier Automata, Marvel VS Capcom Infinite, Tekken 7 and RE VII for the Switch
If Street Fighter IV could end up on 3DS I could certainly see MVCI on Switch. Tekken 7 as well.
 

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I believe tat leak is fake. But it's indeed really strange that they got the battery right.
 
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FWIW NIS probably only has one Switch Dev kit and they've given it to their main team/brand and they are there at launch. It all depends how it pans out.
I'm going to venture a guess and say that Nintendo isn't going to be stingy with devkits when only a handful of developers are making games for the Switch, especially a launch game like NIS is making.
 

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It's not surprising that NIS will support the Switch. It used to be PSP and Vita, but Sony isn't bringing out another handheld so they will have to go with the Switch this time.
 

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I hope new ps4 games will not get compromissed because of the need for Switch porting.
You could have concern trolled in any other thread, but it had to be in a thread about a niche dev who mainly did multiplats for Vita/PS4.

So do you expect to see FF XV, Ni No Kuni 2, Nier Automata, Marvel VS Capcom Infinite, Tekken 7 and RE VII for the Switch
The expectation would be based on technical capabilities and the publisher seeing it as the correct economical decision.

Yes for the former, god knows for the latter.
 

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It also claims a inaccurate things like 1080p screen and a 4g version, neither of which panned out. Not to mention the crazy stuff about a high spec switch with > PS4 Pro performance.
The leaker's claim about the performance of the system could be interpreted as subjective, yet the fact that he gave the precise capacity of both the console and joy con battery give this leak some level of credence.
 

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It also claims a inaccurate things like 1080p screen and a 4g version, neither of which panned out. Not to mention the crazy stuff about a high spec switch with > PS4 Pro performance.
If you read the quote he mentions the 1080p is due to the software he's using. It's definitely possible that the system considers 1080p to be its 'native' and reports that as the maximum resolution to software, so pretty reasonable he could actually have had the actual console and not known the proper screen resolution.

The 4G thing though... I dunno. There's still a suspicious amount of correct information there however that wasn't known prior to the event last week.
 

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So do you expect to see FF XV, Ni No Kuni 2, Nier Automata, Marvel VS Capcom Infinite, Tekken 7 and RE VII for the Switch
Ni no Kuni 2, MVC infinite maybe Nier Switch can haddle, I think. Even vita get MVC3 port.
 

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The Japanese dedicate console gaming landscape will be soon reduced to just PlayStation 4 and Nintendo Switch, and it will be an uphill battle for niche developers such as Nippon Ichi Software.

I doubt they will find much success in those two platforms.
 

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It's selling well enough to get supported by many Japanese developers, same as the PS4. You're in a NIS thread and I keep mentioning niche games, what do you think we're talking about?

Hell, just under a week ago, NIS even announced a new game for Vita/PS4 (and again, no Switch version whatsoever).



See above. The claim that the PS4 failed to sell software is just bogus. Multiple games are selling just as well on Vita as on PS4 and again, the Vita is clearly supported by niche devs as is the PS4 so the sales are high enough for the devs to warrant support.

Vita is not the bar of good software sales
 

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I'm going to venture a guess and say that Nintendo isn't going to be stingy with devkits when only a handful of developers are making games for the Switch, especially a launch game like NIS is making.
Well we don't know how many Dev kits are out there and NIS is a small publisher who has had a very distant relationship with Nintendo. Getting even one Dev kit early is significant enough.

You're also kinda suggesting their CEO is a liar otherwise.
 

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The Japanese dedicate console gaming landscape will be soon reduced to just PlayStation 4 and Nintendo Switch, and it will be an uphill battle for niche developers such as Nippon Ichi Software.

I doubt they will find much success in those two platforms.
They've also started putting their games on Steam. I'm sure they will be fine.

EDIT: Disgaea 1 has sold over 100k on Steam. Not bad for an old Japanese turn based RPG.
 

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Well we don't know how many Dev kits are out there and NIS is a small publisher who has had a very distant relationship with Nintendo. Getting even one Dev kit early is significant enough.

You're also kinda suggesting their CEO is a liar otherwise.
NIS did publish DS and 3DS games and their NA arm localized some niche Wii titles though
 
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Since this isn't about hardware, I'll reply before disappearing.

It isn't about support for PS4 disappearing, its about a healthier Japan because these smaller devs can release the same game on PS4 and Switch with minimal effort, I think that any Japanese developer would be silly to go switch exclusive when the port for ps4 would take little to no extra work at all. Now if Switch sells like Vita in Japan, these developers will quickly dry up, but until we know that, it is a safer bet that Switch will do well there. (Not a lock, but their software sells in the millions in Japan and they are far and away the most popular software developer there)
Japan's as healthy as it's ever going to be again. The bolded is wrong too. Niche devs make games with costs that align well with their projected revenues. Meaning they're not going to break the bank developing any game. And the devs didn't quickly vanish while supporting Vita either (further proof that they know how to stay in business).

Of course, I doubt that the Switch will see as many niche games as the Vita did because the target audiences aren't the same.

And games only have short-term effects on console sales at best. Games don't really sell consoles (*cough*WiiU*cough*). Console sales sell games. And console sales are mostly dependent on prices.
 

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Since this isn't about hardware, I'll reply before disappearing.

It isn't about support for PS4 disappearing, its about a healthier Japan because these smaller devs can release the same game on PS4 and Switch with minimal effort, I think that any Japanese developer would be silly to go switch exclusive when the port for ps4 would take little to no extra work at all. Now if Switch sells like Vita in Japan, these developers will quickly dry up, but until we know that, it is a safer bet that Switch will do well there. (Not a lock, but their software sells in the millions in Japan and they are far and away the most popular software developer there)
Of course not? PS4 is not going to lose any support, that wouldn't even make sense
 
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Well we don't know how many Dev kits are out there and NIS is a small publisher who has had a very distant relationship with Nintendo. Getting even one Dev kit early is significant enough.

You're also kinda suggesting their CEO is a liar otherwise.
Again, what does Nintendo have to be stingy about? Distant relationship or not, Nintendo would get enough revenue from the software sales of another NIS game to justify another devkit.

Unless there's another quote I'm not seeing, I'm not suggesting that the CEO is a liar. I do think that he believes that Switch/PS4 development is a real possibility. But I also think that he believes the Switch's audience isn't a good fit for all types of games.

Vita is not the bar of good software sales
It is for niche games. It's pretty much the only bar that exists.
 

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Switch CPU is faster (foxconn leak that was proven true friday) so that shouldn't happen.

You'd just have switch version with less frames and or resolution. Though it seems Switch is capable of about half the performance of PS4 if fp16 is used. The device should still be able to do everything the ps4 can with graphical downgrades.

(The CPU is the logic processor, so it was the most important to get right here)
Speed isn't everything. It's still a tegra chip. They would be very significant downgrades. We're talking portable Wii U graphics here.
 

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Vita is a failure even in japan. It didnt sell anywhere near PSP. Saying that PS4 sold just as well as Vita is not reassuring. It just recently outsold WiiU LTD despite WiiU being pretty much dead for about a year. Also PS4 failed to sell software. There is not even one million seller on Ps4. Not even FF, a surefire millionseller, could reach that number. Now PS4 is in a good situation still because there is no competition in the market but its not an incredible success at least in japan so far.
What's the obsession with a million seller. Wii U had a million seller but it did worse than ps4. No competition? What do you call 3DS, Wii U and Vita? Seems you had a premise and are sticking to it. Would you call the 3DS a failure? It has sold less than 50℅ of is predecessor.
 

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Speed isn't everything. It's still a tegra chip. They would be very significant downgrades. We're talking portable Wii U graphics here.
The baseline rise from Vita to Switch for multiplat, I would say that's a significant upgrade.
 

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Wtf happened to this thread...?

If anything, NIS games are the most suitable for multiplatform, they don't even utilize the full power of the device they are on.
 

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Again, what does Nintendo have to be stingy about? Distant relationship or not, Nintendo would get enough revenue from the software sales of another NIS game to justify another devkit.

Unless there's another quote I'm not seeing, I'm not suggesting that the CEO is a liar. I do think that he believes that Switch/PS4 development is a real possibility. But I also think that he believes the Switch's audience isn't a good fit for all types of games.



It is for niche games. It's pretty much the only bar that exists.
It's not about being stingy. If they have three Dev kits spare and NIS and Marvelous are both asking for them it makes much more sense to send two to Marvelous and one to NIS.

It's also probably more worthwhile to give another publisher a Dev kit than giving NIS two.
 

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Maybe there will be a N64 / PS1 situation again, only with regions and consoles switched.

I would be fine with that sort of success.
 
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It's not about being stingy. If they have three Dev kits spare and NIS and Marvelous are both asking for them it makes much more sense to send two to Marvelous and one to NIS.

It's also probably more worthwhile to give another publisher a Dev kit than giving NIS two.
Why would anyone assume that, this late in the game, they haven't produced enough devkits to match the amount demanded?

I know people think Nintendo screws up but with the way people talk, you'd think morons run the company.
 

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Switch CPU is faster (foxconn leak that was proven true friday) so that shouldn't happen.

You'd just have switch version with less frames and or resolution. Though it seems Switch is capable of about half the performance of PS4 if fp16 is used. The device should still be able to do everything the ps4 can with graphical downgrades.

(The CPU is the logic processor, so it was the most important to get right here)
Hmm? What is this about a Foxconn leak? How was it proven true?
 

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Why would anyone assume that, this late in the game, they haven't produced enough devkits to match the amount demanded?

I know people think Nintendo screws up but with the way people talk, you'd think morons run the company.
Well we know for a fact that the vast majority of indies can't even request a Dev kit yet and it's possible NIS might be receiving more but games that have been in production for a while probably wouldn't be able to just add a Switch SKU, especially not small teams like NIS.
 

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I'm sorry to crush your beliefs but according to these lists psp had 61 games released in the entire 2012 while vita 83
PSP was still getting relatively major games through 2012 (and 2013) which skipped Vita. Stuff like Digimon World Re;Digitize; Super Robot Wars Z-II; Tales of Heroes; 7th Dragon 2020-II; Fate/Extra CCC; Yakuza Black Panter 2; Shining Blade/Ark; Summon Night 5; Nayuta no Kiseki etc.

All of them exclusive of course.

The fact Vita is getting multi-plats with PS4 that aren't coming to Switch in the first few months of its life is not surprising in any way whatsoever. It's not even getting any exclusives. We barely know of any games coming in the second half of the year and all the 'big' hitters for the first few months are also on PS4 (DanganRonpa; Super Robot Wars; Accel World vs. SAO etc.)

The PS4 for the most part isn't even coming close to being fully utilized by japanese Dev's.
As has been pointed out multiple times in that thread, that isn't really down to Vita.

Games can be better than they are right now, but most of this comes down to budget. Look at things made just for PS4 - Omega Quintet; Onechanbara Z2 etc., there's no reason they couldn't have been tweaked to be on Vita without largely affecting the game. Because they're made for peanuts based on sales expectations.
 

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Nintendo and Sony supporting niche devs so they can keep doing games for dedicated plataforms instead of mobile? Yes please !