memoryman3
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No more special sauce for Xbox console going Into helix
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Of course!
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
They kicked out Phil, where would the special sauce come from? They kept the Booty but lost the glaze.
Seriously though, Asha was brought on to push Co-Pilot for gaming. Anyone thinking the 360 days are coming back is delusional.
Seriously though, Asha was brought on to push Co-Pilot for gaming. Anyone thinking the 360 days are coming back is delusional.
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kevboard
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yeah, I wonder when they'll jump to 13 already. we are on DX12 since the middle of the Xbox One generation lol
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
isn't that all consoles the last 2 gens?
No.
Customizations for series X:
Velocity Architecture:
- ssd/direct storage
- decompression block
- sampler feedback streaming.
All custom for MS from my understanding?
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kevboard
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yes... it absolutely is. the only exception is the PS5 Pro
I'm not aware of any custom features, but I imagine they could have something like Tempest Audio again.
kevboard
Member
Customizations for series X:
Velocity Architecture:
- ssd/direct storage
- decompression block
- sampler feedback streaming.
All custom for MS from my understanding?
Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs
We visit Microsoft for a briefing on the impressive tech of its next flagship console
these are basically obsolete now tho. it was a slight modification to speed up data transfer and to take load off of the CPU. sampler feedback streaming was also never used in anything so far afaik.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
I'll just wait for the dev kits . . . i mean tools . . . or next year's e3 . . . or acquisition to be final . . . or DX12 . . .
It most certainly did. I remember for a while it being a really nice (mostly) piece of hardware. Was an above average success. Something to build on, cultivate, mature, buff, polish.....
Then Microsoft kinda just let it poop it's pants and it's just kind of a thing.
I have one for work. I really like it.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
That's the MS MO. Same can be said for Mixer, Zune and Windows phone. They come out of the gate strong, but do about zero support or cultivating and end up dropping it.
Bojji
Gold Member
Customizations for series X:
Velocity Architecture:
- ssd/direct storage
- decompression block
- sampler feedback streaming.
All custom for MS from my understanding?
Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs
We visit Microsoft for a briefing on the impressive tech of its next flagship console
I think SFS is just part of RDNA2/DX12U?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No the PS5 had custom things added too.
- Kraken Decompressor Hardware
- Custom I/O Stack
- Oodle Kraken + Oodle Texture work
- Added a Geometry Engine
- Tempest 3D Audio
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Lol... I recall saying the very thing in the PS speculation thread. The leap in SSD speeds is so vast that we literally will be talking about 1 second vs 2 seconds, and yet that would be one being 100% faster.so like the Series X and PS5? this isn't new...
there's no secret sauce when every API is based around the Direct X feature set, because the GPUs are literally designed around Direct X and then put into a console, and all you essentially get inside a console is a PC part that has been stripped down somewhat
people forgot it because it was insane overkill and barely accomplished anything that the comparatively slow SSD inside the Series X, with no secret sauce couldn't do as well, with only slight differences.
if your storage solution is 50% faster, but the time frame you're talking about is 2 seconds... then... like... wow, now it will take 3 seconds to load instead! the horror!
and in games "designed around it" you get a 2 frame stutter by running them on an ordinary SSD! SCANDALOUS!
Ah well, SSD and IO complex was still "special sauce" though.
Xbox Series 361.I wonder what it will be called?
PC Series X?
PC 360?
PC One?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
The special sauce will come out of the box:
Pepare for an influx of new accounts pushing... The green message
Pepare for an influx of new accounts pushing... The green message
Your claim is they were the same. Reality indicates that there are differences. Whether you care or not.
Physiognomonics
Member
Oodle is software. There are others custom silicon units on PS5, some of them inherited from PS4 Pro. Zen 2 CPU is also very customized and unique.
And according to Cerny the biggest customizations are for PS4 BC. Overall PS5 is highly customized by Sony.
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This thread is full of a whole breed of "doesn't matter" posters that have come to defend xboxs honor.
RoboCain
Member
Or just a PC, going by my experience with the Xbox Rog Ally X.
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
Does your news mean that these helix apus will no longer be considered part of the "semi custom" division of amd?
Steve Holt
Member
The people that are interested in this should probably just get a PC at this point.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
The customisations did lead to closing the gap between PS5 and XSX. The Road To PS5 video confused many here thinking it was underpowered. Smart Shift for example copped a lot of flack initially.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
OverHeat
« generous god »
You are getting a PC the joke is on you
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I will be getting an Xbox Helix™ Entertainment System, thank you very much.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Fixed
Steve Holt
Member
ftfy
Steve Holt
Member
The SoC is still custom
OverHeat
« generous god »
My Xbox already do Path-tracing
bitbydeath
Gold Member
SupremeJ
Gold Member
Do you have a PC with Xbox Mode?My Xbox already do Path-tracing
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Steve Holt
Member
memoryman3
Member
I mean, this is a good thing if you want games to run with polished drivers on Xbox and AMD GPUs.
Venom Snake
Member
I'm fine with that. If it's a pre-built pc, it doesn't need any gimmicks, everything is already on the table.
A hefty chip, RT/60fps, a decent scaling solution, and we're good to go.
A hefty chip, RT/60fps, a decent scaling solution, and we're good to go.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
There's a difference between input "gimmicks" and customized hardware. A rather large difference, in fact. This isn't just a removal of some useless spec, but slapping a pre-built PC together, throwing some Xbox logos on it, and serving the plate. If it works out, great (especially for people like me who will only be interested in it for the backwards compat implications), but otherwise, it is hardly exciting in the console space.
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Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Hardware-wise, it's a prebuilt that is magically 33% less energy hog, 50% of the cost, while being about 33% of the overall volume.
BTW, console "special sauces" for GPUs are taking features OUT to reduce die space...
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winjer
Gold Member
Unique sometimes just means gimped. As in much less L3 cache, lower clock speed, and removing part of the FPU.
Though the later is not needed for gaming performance.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Eeeeeh..... not really. Unless you're talking pre-built, and even then, there's no secret to it. Nothing is customized. They are shelf parts and easily to replicate. You couldn't build a PS5 Pro, however.
kevboard
Member
it did close the gap, but it's not something future consoles realistically need anymore.
I feel like we will see less and less modifications to the base AMD hardware going forward from both manufacturers.
it's not like it negatively affected Nintendo to go with essentially purely stock Nvidia hardware either for their last 2 systems.
semiconscious
Gold Member
perfect! asha could learn a thing or 2 from her predecessors...
Venom Snake
Member
It's not that i disagree with your opinion, i don't see it as a typical gaming console either, but if they don't have any ideas for one, let them make a PC with their sticker on it instead.
if it's reasonable priced compared to other pre-built gaming PCs it might be an interesting offer, and if not, then whatever.