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No Sex Please, We're Japanese (BBC Documentary)

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I made a thread about the world declining population a while ago:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507641


http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...lly_start_declining_not_exploding.single.html

TLDR:
- It took longer for Earth to reach 7 billion than 6 billion, the first time it actually reversed in time taken between the billion milestones (123 years, 33, 14, 13, 12, 13)

- It takes a 2.1 replacement rate to maintain population equilibrium (2.1 babies per couple)

USA is around 1.9
Sweden 1.9
Europe overall is 1.5
Spain 1.48
Germany is 1.36
Italy 1.4
Japan 1.4
Singapore 1.2

- 1960 vs 2009
Mexico 7.3 -> 2.4
India 6.0 -> 2.5
Brazil 6.15 -> 1.9

Wow pretty big improvement!

edit: here is a map!

800px-Countriesbyfertilityrate.svg.png
 
In other words click bait. Because a weird Japanese dude who spends time with his virtual girlfriend is a better headline than gender parity.

No. It was 5 minutes of an hour long documentary, you are fixating on that point more than the reporter. The title of the documentary may be inflammatory/click bait but you are the one linking it to the virtual girlfriend thing.
 
This doc asks a very important question, but unfortunately like most of the other ones that ask it, it feels more like a vehicle to watch Japanese people do silly shit rather than provide some clarification.
 
As a Japanese woman, I can't help but feel sorry for Japanese men.
They are always the one to be blamed by the western media.
Is it taboo to criticize women in the west?

There is also a reason that there special trains for women.
It's also there to protect men from getting a bum rap.
Some women can be nasty as fuck just to get some little money from a poor innocent guy.
 
No. It was 5 minutes of an hour long documentary, you are fixating on that point more than the reporter. The title of the documentary may be inflammatory/click bait but you are the one linking it to the virtual girlfriend thing.
Except the documentary didn't actually go into the real reasons of the birth rate decline and was mainly fixated on oddities like the otaku. It was a joke.
 
It's also there to protect men from getting a bum rap.
Some women can be nasty as fuck just to get some little money from a poor innocent guy.

I once rode the train from Osaka to Kyoto, and noticed some dude stepped inside the women only car. He noticed some minutes later, as evidenced by a look of abject horror. He sat with his hands on his lap and eyes to his feet for the remainder of the journey. Don't know why he didn't just move, but it was pretty amusing.
 
The more frightening part of this was the part about 40 minutes in where they talk about how huge the entitlement spending debt is. The US is on that same trajectory although our birthrate numbers are not as bad as much of Europe and Japan.
 
As a Japanese woman, I can't help but feel sorry for Japanese men.
They are always the one to be blamed by the western media.
Is it taboo to criticize women in the west?


It's also there to protect men from getting a bum rap.
Some women can be nasty as fuck just to get some little money from a poor innocent guy.

In general men are criticized more then women by media here in the West. I wouldn't say there is a taboo against it, but media outlets are usually much quicker to single out men as a source of social problems. The largely ignore the effect that women's empowerment in the workforce and in the home has had on men. In the U.S. men are getting out competed at school and on the job. The portrayal of men in the media and the image of what a man's role is in today's world has not kept up with the pace of change and it's making it much more difficult for men to find contentment with their place in the world.

The natural consequence of women kicking so much ass is that they will increasingly become the primary source of income for families. As you can guess, at least in the absence of generous vacation time, this will lead to women wanting to have less children. More open attitudes towards men being caregivers coupled with paid paternity leave is how this should be countered. Unfortuantely though paternity leave is an alien concept in the U.S. I suspect the same is true in Japan.
 
In a society where 12-hour workdays are common place, I'm not surprised so many decide to become neets.

If "responsibility" meant slaving away for a company, then fuck responsibility - the system is broken.

When being an adult in general in Japan seem to suck (those gender roles), no wonder you get man-child rent.
 
It almost sounds like you're making Japan's issue to be a none-issue.

It's an issue, but the weird shit in Japan and virtual girlfriends amongst otaku are definitely not the cause of it as so many of these sensationalist reports seem to want to say.
 
I never would have thought getting young people to have sex could ever be a problem in any culture.

That's really not the problem, though. It's the conclusion so many people are making by taking a very cursory glance and focusing on the weird shit in Japan, but the real problem lies in the fact that people don't want to have kids, get married, or start a family. The reason for that has nothing to do with young people's sex drive for the most part.
 
A few years ago I think I read an article looking at the problem as it's going on in industrialized nations in general. I think it might have been the article about the overall world population growth slowing down.

Anyway, the article boiled the population growth problem down to one question: How do you convince educated, goal-oriented women to have children? It asserted that the main problem was that everywhere on the planet you started educating women, birth rates fell.

The Guardian ran an article about the same topic (probably snatched from the BBC doc) and it was very good / weird:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex?CMP=twt_gu

There was a whole GAF thread on this like lats week, but still nice to post it again.
 
Terrible documentary. Way to go and use a fringe minority of otaku culture to represent the entire Japanese nation. This piece is nothing more than blunt sensationalism, and just like so many other Western articles about 'quirky' Japan it only reaffirms the orientalist view of the Japanese nation while deliberately failing to look for the real cause of social problems.

I believe Becky Smith says it best in this article "Sex myths without substance: Mislabelling Japan" published by The Independent.

If the BBC truly wanted to go into Japan's birthrate and fertility problems, they should have looked at issues such as gender inequality at the workplace, delaying of marriage by Japanese youth (no marriage generally means no babies for young couples in Japan), and the rejection of the salaryman lifestyle and its economic impact on youth no longer able to provide for a family.

they spent like 5 minutes on the otakus
 
Ive noticed this type of trend amongst Americans too. A lot of younger people just don't care to get married or even have long term relationships. HD porn and the occasional one night stand are plenty for them. While I fully support same sex marriage, the rise in number of youth who are homosexuals will reduce the future population as well.
 
Ive noticed this type of trend amongst Americans too. A lot of younger people just don't care to get married or even have long term relationships. HD porn and the occasional one night stand are plenty for them. While I fully support same sex marriage, the rise in number of youth who are homosexuals will reduce the future population as well.

Yeah, this isn't exclusive to Japan. Speaking personally, I'm 25, my dad has been divorced 3 times and partially because of this I have no damn plans to get married anytime soon. I've even accepted the fact that I may never marry due to it being such a financial liability, IMO. The one night stand , or friends with benefits, seems much more prevalent especially here in L.A.

I also think that people are focusing to much on the otaku aspect of the documentary, which like Red Blaster pointed out, is only about 5 minutes long. I think a lot of this stems from the long held Japanese belief of work, work, work all the time. Which I think is admirable, but I believe they take it a bit to far. So some of these men are just too tired and don't want to have/or do not have the time for a relationship which in of itself is very time consuming.

Immigration is how you solve population decline so it seems we're at a Catch 22 here. Japanese culture I'm sure is very hard to immigrate into, yet at the same time the Japanese people want to keep their culture intact which I completely understand.
 
semperpee 1 day ago

The solution is multiculturalism? I'd rather see my population shrink than see my own people displaced by outsiders. Why is nowhere safe from multicultural bullshit?
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U9B 24 minutes ago

I agree with you. Multiculturalism is not a solution. It's a problem.
lol
 
If the BBC truly wanted to go into Japan's birthrate and fertility problems, they should have looked at issues such as gender inequality at the workplace, delaying of marriage by Japanese youth (no marriage generally means no babies for young couples in Japan), and the rejection of the salaryman lifestyle and its economic impact on youth no longer able to provide for a family.

Did you watch it? They went over all of those things and only spent a few minutes on the Otaku stuff.
 
They should make having a child like a huge benefit. Like free school and huge tax cuts. Also, they have many elderly people. The couple can still work crazy hours I guess but they should recruit the elderly to assist with the children if the parents cannot be there. Utilize the elderly resources.
 
That was a very interesting documentary. Japan looks like a cool place to visit, everything looks so clean over there.

Would hate working there though. The culture is too workaholic for my liking.
 
Japanse girls are very pretty naturally too (I hate the stupid idol look), so it makes even less sense. Are Japanese men shy as people say?
 
when i went to japan, single ladies who kinda knew some english or spanish, wanted to socialize, so they might be havong sex, just not babies
 
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