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[Gravijah]

You should go back to you Genki Rockets avatar.

This is a fact.

it wouldn't move, it's not the same. gengar will have to do.

 

[odin toelust]

Saying that everyone's opinion is equally valid is like saying that there is no such thing as quality.

If someone was of the opinion that the McDouble is the best burger, they are wrong. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean opinions can't be wrong.

 

[raphier]

Fuck you, Francine.

It's a fact!

 

[Wiseblade]

Saying that everyone's opinion is equally valid is like saying that there is no such thing as quality.

If someone was of the opinion that the McDouble is the best burger, they are wrong. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean opinions can't be wrong.

Last time I checked, Juniors aren't even allowed to have opinions.

 

[BobsRevenge]

The best feeling you get on an internet forum is when someone responds to you and you get to type something back. Exposing your opinions in the most offensive way possible is the best method of ensuring this happens.

 

[truly101]

Jaded cynics and snarks think they impress people with their refined and descriminating tastes, as such they must offer their insufferable opinions in the most obnoxious and overbearing way they can muster. They haven't figured out that most people just don't give a fuck what they think or who they think they can impress.

Its all about delivery IMO. I've read posts by people that trashed games I loved, but they did it in a way that was strictly based on their experience and there was no attempt to condescend to those that did like the game in question. Maybe most people don't know how to do it, or its just not as fun I guess.

 

[truly101]

It's a fact!

racist

 

[TheRagnCajun]

I try very hard not to judge a game I haven't played, and when the criticism does come, I justify it.

 

[Roto13]

Hey guys

STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE

Venusaur > Empoleon

 

[Orayn]

Saying that everyone's opinion is equally valid is like saying that there is no such thing as quality.

If someone was of the opinion that the McDouble is the best burger, they are wrong. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean opinions can't be wrong.

The problem comes when we try to establish official criteria for "best" anything. Whose standard are we going to use? Sure, we can judge things according to a widely agreed upon system with a rational basis, but that still doesn't change the fact that everyone, including those who establish the standards, have irrational likes and dislikes that can't really be established as right or wrong.

 

[Dragon]

The best feeling you get on an internet forum is when someone responds to you and you get to type something back. Exposing your opinions in the most offensive way possible is the best method of ensuring this happens.

So this is a high school movie where the dick gets the girl. Gotcha.

 

[Melchiah]

Seriously if something has you in an utter rage (how people get that worked up about games in general is just odd) just take a chill pill....especially in LTTP threads, one guy talks about how much fun the game in, then another will come in and totally thrash the game calling it a piece of shit or whatever... if you don't like something in a game don't get snotty or self righteous, besides just because you don't like it doesnt mean other can't enjoy it. Im not against criticism, but sometimes the criticism can just be a constant beat down of any body who has found any enjoyment in something.

That immediately brought Heavy Rain's LTTP thread to my mind. It feels like some people just can't accept other people liking something they hate, and they feel they have to prove them wrong, eventhough it's impossible.

 

[Enosh]

Opinions, man.

nothing wrong with them

but when you go "lolollo cod is shit, sub hd, dudebro lololol" it's realy fucking annoying

 

[MNC]

You calling me a liar!

QUOTED SO YOU CAN'T EDIT IT OUT

 

[Galang]

http://i.imgur.com/cZQZS.png[IMG]

Fuck you, Francine.[/QUOTE]

Haha, that's great.

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

The whole site seems really uptight and "srs bsns" to me (although I'm just measuring this against what I saw in my lurking days). Hopefully the Wii U launch and the 2012 election will bring the crazy out again.

 

[ghst]

yet somehow, the piss warm ever-so-empathic mediating invertebrate is the worst poster type of them all.

 

[Orayn]

nothing wrong with them

but when you go "lolollo cod is shit, sub hd, dudebro lololol" it's realy fucking annoying

"It's not my fault that you're a plebian who likes sub-HD dudebro shit. Some people just have the ability to tell good games from bad ones, unlike you. "

...Which is how I would respond in another life. Isn't it wonderful that we can have pleasant, productive discussions like that?

yet somehow, the piss warm ever-so-empathic mediating invertebrate is the worst poster type of them all.

I am the words of my post
Opinions are my body and preferences are my blood
I have created over three thousand posts
Unknown to Scathing Criticism, Nor known to Gushing Fanboyism
I have withstood pain to create many walls of text
Yet, those messages will never mean anything
So as I quote, UNLIMITED GAF WORKS!

 

[Wiseblade]

Venusaur > Empoleon

AWW HELL NAW

 

[Roto13]

You can't change facts, Unwiseblade.

I find that respectfully disagreeing with someone who is also being respectful in their disagreement with you is more satisfying than agreeing with someone.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Venusaur > Empoleon

Empoleon takes neutral damage against Venusaur's grass moves. He could conceivably defeat Venusaur with an Ice Beam or two.

 

[Electivirus]

You can't change facts, Unwiseblade.

I find that respectfully disagreeing with someone who is also being respectful in their disagreement with you is more satisfying than agreeing with someone.

Also this. Nothing better than a rational, non-rage filled debate with someone with a differing opinion.

 

[Roto13]

Empoleon takes neutral damage against Venusaur's grass moves. He could conceivably defeat Venusaur with an Ice Beam or two.

Well obviously we're talking about overall coolness.

 

[Wiseblade]

Also this. Nothing better than a rational, non-rage filled debate with someone with a differing opinion.

Yeah, it's really nice to have a chilled debate about a game's strengths and flaws every now and again.

But it's so much easier to draw a line in the sand and call anyone who dares step over it a moron.

 

[Electivirus]

Well obviously we're talking about overall coolness.

But Venusaur basks in the sun! I'm pretty sure he's a lot warmer than a penguin who swims through icebergs!

 

[SturokBGD]

I find that respectfully disagreeing with someone who is also being respectful in their disagreement with you is more satisfying than agreeing with someone.

I respectfully disagree. I prefer it when the other person is fuming mad at me.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Well if you telling me, that after posting my negative sentiments about a game and the reasons for them a "lol, u stupid. the game was absolutly awesome!" is a valid reply, well then my opinion of you is that you shouldn't be posting at all.
Why?
Because such an answer gives no room for any kind of discussion and isn't that the reason for posting on a message board/forum? Discussing stuff? It's of course a valid reply, great that you had fun with it, but if you don't explain why, then you could as well save us all the time and not post at all.

 

[Orayn]

Yeah, it's really nice to have a chilled debate about a game's strengths and flaws every now and again.

But it's so much easier to draw a line in the sand and call anyone who dares step over it a moron.

Not enough people want to put on their game-design hats and indulge their inner Melvin like I do, but would prefer to post their visceral Timmy-powered likes an dislikes.
(Sorry to bring my Magic jargon into this, it's just useful for describing some of this.)

 

[Tenck]

Did you really just make a thread saying "Dont feed the trolls".?

Have no idea where you pulled that one out.

 

[SapientWolf]

The best feeling you get on an internet forum is when someone responds to you and you get to type something back. Exposing your opinions in the most offensive way possible is the best method of ensuring this happens.

Not really, because banned people don't get those type of opportunities.

Opinions are not facts. I tend to say "I think" a lot for this reason but I don't impose that on other people. My biggest pet peeve is when people make sweeping qualitative statements without anything to back them up ("this game is awesome / terrible!") More so for negative statements.

 

[Wiseblade]

Not enough people want to put on their game-design hats and indulge their inner Melvin like I do, but would prefer to post their visceral Timmy-powered likes an dislikes.
(Sorry to bring my Magic jargon into this, it's just useful for describing some of this.)

Sorry, I don't understand your silly M:tG in-jokes. I play the far superior Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG. ¬.¬

 

[ampere]

I'm pretty sure there are GAF posters that don't like videogames at all.

Oh it sure feels this way sometimes. Especially when you see 'game x bitching thread'.

 

[Orayn]

Sorry, I don't understand your silly M:tG in-jokes. I play the far superior Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG. ¬.¬

More of a game-design in-joke. I'm sure there are other names for the same thing, but "Melvin" refers to the kind of people who play games with some cognizance of how the games are put together, and are interested in what really makes them tick, mechanically. "Timmy," on the other hand is about people who follow their gut, wherever it takes them.

Melvin is the kind to type up a wall of text about how Demon's Souls is "challenging," but not "difficult," and lauds the way the levels are set up to keep the player on edge.

Timmy is the kind to talk about the sweet tricks he pulled in Just Cause 2, like bailing out of a jet at the last minute to use it as a cruise missile against a bunch of enemy tanks.

 

[etiolate]

"I like it because its good" isn't really a valid opinion or argument and I have no problem with people getting heat for backing opinion with opinion like that. It doesn't belong in a debate.

Also, debates and discussion are a normal part of the real world and actually quite palatable and safe. If someone counters what you say, it doesn't mean they're hating your or anything but just responding to you. Just look at what they said and respond back. Doing so is a healthy discussion.

Not everything is an ice cream flavor of your choice.

 

[daviyoung]

Some people need to grow up

 

[Roto13]

I respectfully disagree. I prefer it when the other person is fuming mad at me.

Well fuck you with something hard and sand-papery then.

 

[odin toelust]

The problem comes when we try to establish official criteria for "best" anything. Whose standard are we going to use? Sure, we can judge things according to a widely agreed upon system with a rational basis, but that still doesn't change the fact that everyone, including those who establish the standards, have irrational likes and dislikes that can't really be established as right or wrong.

I completely agree, though I don't believe i mentioned anything about the "best" of anything. I was just trying to point out that the statement that "everyone's opinion is equally valid" is ludicrous. However, I do believe that anyone who says that Half Life 2 is a bad game (I did not enjoy it personally-shoot me) is wrong. While finding criteria for the "best" is impossible, I believe that it is possible to discern a certain level of quality.

Last time I checked, Juniors aren't even allowed to have opinions.

you've got me there...

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Welcome to the internet?

 

[fernoca]

Welcome to the internet I guess.
The glorious world, on which if you like something, not only you'll find millions that don't like it; but you'll have to provide evidence as to why you like it. And even if you provide said evidence; you'll be wrong.

So, just continue liking what you like.

 

[Snuggles]

we need some haters gonna hate GIF's up in this bitch

 

[Wallach]

NO!

 

[dr3upmushroom]

There needs to be a happy middle ground, as with most things in life.

I agree, people who are too aggressive and who downplay others enjoyment are obnoxious. But, many also are too sheltered and respond to any criticism at all with "Haters gonna hate" or "If you don't love it then why are you posting in the OP" and other such equally obnoxious cliches.

The song in the OP pretty much sums it up. It's OK to not like things, and people shouldn't just respond with childish "Haters gonna hate" GIFs, but the person criticizing shouldn't be a dick about it.

The problem comes when we try to establish official criteria for "best" anything. Whose standard are we going to use? Sure, we can judge things according to a widely agreed upon system with a rational basis, but that still doesn't change the fact that everyone, including those who establish the standards, have irrational likes and dislikes that can't really be established as right or wrong.

Speaking of disagreeing with someone and being a dick about it, this reminds of the time I got in an argument in a thread about a Tom Chick article who was claiming that how "good" a game was could be objectively determined by aggregate opinion and that someone (including himself) could be objectively wrong for claiming a game they liked was good if most people didn't like. One of the most idiotic things I've ever read.

Unfortunately a lot of people have that mindset, even if they don't take it that far. On GAF I blame the old prevalence of game magazines with that "Most objective reviews!" bullshit emblazoned across their covers and the new authority of Metacritic.

 

[odin toelust]

The internet: Where men are women, 12 year olds run microsoft, and opinions = facts.

I'm sure someone can come up with something much better

 

[Wazzim]

It should be mandatory to play this for posting anything, anywhere, ever.

I clicked on Play and nothing happened.

 

[theinfinityissue]

But there are people who freely admit to buying and using apple products on this forum.

apple.

 

[Raonak]

METAL GEAR SOLID 4 IS THE GREATEST VIDEOGAME OF ALL TIME

People trashing on MGS piss me off. I love MGS4, my favourite game of all time (not joking)

I love heavy rain too. So unique. first time I thought to myself "Wow, I nearly killed an innocent guy"

And FF8 is the best final fantasy.

But the DMC reboot is rubbish, and anyone who is remotely excited about it need to eat their brains.

 

[cooljeanius]

It should be mandatory to play this for posting anything, anywhere, ever.

Link please?

 

[dr3upmushroom]

Link please?

You need a refresher course?

 

[Zizbuka]

NO!

When my son was in elementary school, I taught an after school chess class. I swear that little monster was in it. And his mon was like a little league mom who had to settle for chess mom.