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Nvidia facing lawsuit over GTX 970 "false advertising"
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Bandwith and bus. It's not a complete 224gb/s / 256 bus.
NumberThree
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How do you read the first reply without reading the damn OP? There's more to it than the amount of memory.
AzureSkies
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dead
zerokoolpsx
Member
He doesn't remotely look like an engineer, but his laugh got me cracking up LOL!
The translation is totally wrong, which is even funnier.
LeeRoyBrown
Banned
Why do AMD suck?
At the time of purchase JAN 2014 AMD was by far the better choice.
AMD released a card that cost me $439, so I didn't have to pay $890 for an Nvidia 780. Which in turn dropped the prices of cards all around the industry, making things better for everyone.
I paid half the price I was calculating 2 months earlier when making my new build.
I've had 0 driver issues, no overheating issues and max every game at 2k res.
The Nvidia fanboyism on this forum blows my fucking mind.
daninthemix
Member
I'm glad someone is taking the effort to punish Nvidia about this. Their response has been more outrageous than the initial deception.
Yes, it's still a fantastic card but lying about specs in an industry driven entirely by specs cannot go unpunished.
Yes, it's still a fantastic card but lying about specs in an industry driven entirely by specs cannot go unpunished.
Gurgelhals
Member
Don't expect them to change, because they've been pulling shit like this since the old TNT / Voodoo2 days in the late 1990s. Whenever they'd been called out on a stunt like this, they always managed to just sit it out somehow. As it has already been pointed out in this thread: They really are dicks. Unfortunately, they're also very competent.
Yeah, but did they ever face a class action lawsuit?
thelastword
Banned
I know it's meant to be funny, but what was said here was quite true though. I mean some of these enthusiasts run out to buy the top end gpu every year, just to run the latest game at the highest resolution/settings and within a couple months there's something better. How would one feel if they bought a Titan for $1000 and the 980 outperforms it at a lower price.
I really don't know how Nvidia got to pricing GPU's so high in the first place, GPU's in excess of $500 is a bit much, farless $1000. People should really stop supporting these exorbitant prices. Nvidia did what they did because they are the kingpin in the gpu space and thought they'd maximize profit(illegally) on account of their brand name.
One thing I'd like to know though, are AMD gpu's really that power hungry in relation to Nvidia's? I chuckled at the knocks on AMD, but they give a better price to power ratio over NVIDIA by far. If AMD was not in the game I'd suspect the 980 would easily be over $1000 too.
protomouse
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Monetary compensation. I'm based in Germany, so I'm interested to see what this lawsuit will bring about for the rest of the world. I'm not aware of a similar class action taking place here in Europe, but the American case will surely set a precedent.
Me too, although I'm talking with the Gigabyte support and give them a chance to make it good by letting me upgrade for a lower price to a 980.
ScepticMatt
Member
welp
Gurgelhals
Member
They did, actually. And - surprise, surprise - they even managed to weasel themselves out of the settlement: http://www.techspot.com/news/43614-customers-get-shafted-in-nvidia-class-action-suit.html
Moral Panic
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Bandwidth has always been theoretical and the card can still hit it's theoretical bandwidth peak. Bus width is still 256bit. The only incorrect specs are the L2 cache and the number of ROPS. But no where in the Nvidia site or advertising will you see them use those specs, they were only given to reviewers.
The Bookerman
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Canada Computers. Sorry.
captainnapalm
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There may have been some deception around the 970, but I can't say I'm disappointed I got it. As a 1080p gamer, it's already proved valuable for DA:I and AC:U, much more so than the 2GB card I had would have done, and with the new cards not coming until 2016, I'm glad I have one for when Arkham Knight, Witcher 3 and GTA V comes around.
I always figured the card would be transitional, but it'll see me through for 2015 and probably most of 2016.
I always figured the card would be transitional, but it'll see me through for 2015 and probably most of 2016.
This lawsuit will not benefit anyone but the lawyers. If the court finds in favour of the plaintiffs, companies will just be encouraged to include even less technical information in their advertising literature. Recipients will probably receive $5 each in a few years, if they spend 15 minutes filling in a form.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Eh... I got refunded the full cost of a windshield replacement after a class action suit about said windshield.
My exact thoughts.
On both counts.
Actually, I think I'll wait for the first generation of cards targeted at VR. (Post consumer launch of the Rift).
Wow,just... wow.
Though I guess a defective part is not quite on par with intended false advertising?
alexandros
Banned
Good, maybe this will discourage Nvidia and everyone else from attempting a stunt like that again.
Impressive.
General Lee
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They did give out incorrect specs to review sites that are used by consumers when deciding whether to buy their product, so to me it's pretty clear cut Nvidia should not just get away with this, regardless of whether it was an "internal miscommunication" or an outright lie. Of course I'm sure Nvidia has some sort of clause there where it states they reserve the right to change any given specs at any time in the future, which would be just silly. I don't know if this will end up in Nvidia having to settle, but companies really shouldn't just go unpunished when their product is incorrectly specced as better than what they actually are.
RealityCheque
Banned
Well anybody from the UK is entitled to a full refund right now as part of our consumer rights. But, you're right about the rest of Europe.
MikeE21286
Member
Was very dumb of them to comment.
They should be held accountable
They should be held accountable
FlyingSaucer
Banned
I would laugh so hard if Nvidia decided that making PC cards wasnt worth the bother.
I would laugh too, because that would probably be one of the worst business decisions I've ever seen.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
Maybe it would be more productive to decide that lying and cheating isn't a clever way to do business rather than just shutting down the entire company.
They sold the part knowing that it would fail around the time everyone's warranty would run out.
SneakyStephan
Banned
The point is not for people to get anything out of it (though they should get their money back if they want to so they can buy the thing they actually wanted and not the thing they got, if I bought a tv with a TN panel after they said it was a VA panel I'd want my money back immediately)
The point is that there are legal consequences to false advertising, if there weren't then... well, do I really have to explain this?
Yes, because we should let corporations do whatever they want in the hopes they keep bestowing us with their glorious favor of selling us things.
We are not their hostages and are in no way beholden to them.
If nvidia and amd take their ball and there is a market then some better company will step up, even if it means having to practically start over architecture and driver wise. It doesn't matter at all in the long run, the only thing that matters in the long run is how much anti consumer bullshit a company thinks it can get away with.
A lawsuit like this is a reminder that there are limits.
Consumerists and their beaten housewife syndrome is so insane..
Oh no he might leave me!
Pretty much. Even if each individual owner only gets like $10, in the aggregate it'd be a significant enough sum to basically send nVidia a message not to falsely advertise their products.
In my experience AMD has more microstutter and badly optimized games, more driver issues, lower quality features and more heat in their cards. I have had two AMD cards and two Nvidia cards, i also research GPUs before making a purchase. This is far from Nvidia fanboyism. You should watch that bloodpressure.
BibiMaghoo
Member
This. They need to be taken to task for this fuckery.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I've used amd and nothing but amd since 2003. I would like nothing more than to go amd again as nvidia are quite a lot more anti consumer than AMD.
Thanks for dismissing my grievances, driver issues, stutter in games, driver updates causing problems with my browser and for the longest time lack of downsampling and AA support as me being an NVIDIA fanboy.
You've had an amd gpu for a year, play a tiny fraction of the games out there. I'm sure you know what's up better than the aggregate of 'nvidia fanboys' who complain about their amd gpus.
But yeah, my heart's fine! Says the 20 year old to the heart patient.
in case you confuse this post with nvidia fanboyism or defending the 970, I think you made the right choice in hindsight by choosing a cheaper amd gpu over a false advertised fuck you to the consumer.
The Omega Man
Member
With people mentioning a 20% refund for some, I'm going to see if I can get more out of them later on.
The funny thing about Bumpgate is that even after the settlement, Nvidia still refused to accept responsibility:
http://m.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1736698/nvidia-settles-bumpgate-class-action-lawsuit
I loved my Nvidia card when I used to have one, but I don't think I'm ever going to support this piece of shit company again until they change their shitty business practices.
CyanideFuse
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And the only real winners will be the lawyers.
The ROPs are definitely reported as 64 still. I don't know how GPU-Z obtains this data?
The ROPs are definitely reported as 64 still. I don't know how GPU-Z obtains this data?
? The consumers are definitely also winners here. In the future, Nvidia might think twice before fucking their customers in the ass and then lying about it.
CyanideFuse
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There are a lot of 970 owners in the muck cart who are unable to get a refund on their card. I am all for future accidentally-on-purpose f*ck ups by nVidia to be lessened / stopped but it would be nice for people at this time now to have some recompense.
We will have to wait and see how this lawsuit goes as to what can be achieved.
CrunchyFrog
Member
It's a pretty clear cut case of false advertising. Nvidia will come in with a settlement within maybe a year or so.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
I may have had the same GPU in my Dell laptop which was like 8 years ago. I never had a problem with replacements. At the end they even replaced my whole laptop with a newer model because they ran out of my version. I remember I had the complete care warranty though. Not sure which warranty u had...