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NVIDIA GameWorks - Watch Dogs 2: PC Trailer
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Everyone obsessing over the volumetric smoke and fog and ignoring the fact that this is the second game to use HFTS? I'm disappointed, GAF. 
Honestly, I'd love to see similar techniques used in games. It may be out of reach for the consoles this gen, but I'm really hoping it will be commonplace next gen.
Honestly, I'd love to see similar techniques used in games. It may be out of reach for the consoles this gen, but I'm really hoping it will be commonplace next gen.
UpDownLeftRight
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Everyone obsessing over the volumetric smoke and fog and ignoring the fact that this is the second game to use HFTS? I'm disappointed, GAF.
Honestly, I'd love to see similar techniques used in games. It may be out of reach for the consoles this gen, but I'm really hoping it will be commonplace next gen.
What's HFTS? I'm no master at graphical features but I've never heard of that one before.
YOU CRAZY!
I might preorder when I get home from work >_>
http://images.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/tom-clancys-the-division/tom-clancys-the-division-shadow-quality-interactive-comparison-001-nvidia-hfts-vs-nvidia-pcss.html
NVIDIA shadowing technique.
Nyteshade517
Member
https://developer.nvidia.com/Hybrid-Frustum-Traced-Shadows
The Division has it...and now so will Watch Dogs 2
QuantumSquid
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From the Ubisoft blog:
Sounds like they actually put a good amount of work into making this a quality PC port, and the pack-in deal with Nvidia GPUs is another good sign - most of the games that have been included with GTX graphics cards, at least in 2016, have been reasonably well-optimized. I know Gears of War 4, The Division and Rise of the Tomb Raider certainly were.
Sounds like they actually put a good amount of work into making this a quality PC port, and the pack-in deal with Nvidia GPUs is another good sign - most of the games that have been included with GTX graphics cards, at least in 2016, have been reasonably well-optimized. I know Gears of War 4, The Division and Rise of the Tomb Raider certainly were.
It's mentioned in the video. HFTS stands for Hybrid Frustrum Traced Shadows. Now, I don't know the implemented in detail, but the gist of it is it's the best looking shadow implementation in games by far. It looked amazing in The Division.
Unlike PCSS, it doesn't overly soften the shadows and shadows close to the surface it is cast on look pristine and sharp. Hopefully Dictator can weigh in on this more. Notice how the shadows of spokes of the wheels are nicely defined. It is so far the only shadow technique that does this well.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Yeah, I am not saying that because it interacts with actors means that it is volumetric. I was just making associations because these Nvidia gameworks trailers often tout that tech, the smoke in particular stuck with me because I think it looks pretty good in the Arkham games, and it looks a bit similar here. But yeah, I reviewed that part and it doesn't seem to interact with the cars, so maybe that's not it this time.I did not see any physicalisation at all really or interaction at that point in the trailer. But even then, interactive movable particles does not mean they are volumetrically rendered. Crysis 1 for example has billboard particles effected by wind forces, grenade explosions, or helicopter down draft... and those are definitely not "volumetric".
Also, this is very impressive fog rendering:
Is that valley fog in the console versions?
But yeah, the fog is insane.
Well, HFTS has some problems in Division iirc and it was pretty taxing so it's hard to get too excited about lol. Let's see how it looks this time.Everyone obsessing over the volumetric smoke and fog and ignoring the fact that this is the second game to use HFTS? I'm disappointed, GAF.
Honestly, I'd love to see similar techniques used in games. It may be out of reach for the consoles this gen, but I'm really hoping it will be commonplace next gen.
LukasTaves
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Those volumetric clouds made me go DAMN!
I suppose you can blame Ubi for Far Cry 4 even though it was an Nvidia driver update that made the god rays mutually incompatible with... I want to say HBAO+ (Nvidia should have fixed the bug, but by the same token I'm sure Ubi could have worked around it), however everything functions just fine in AssCreed Syndicate.
Dreams-Visions
Member
You know what? They can have my money, off effort alone.
I've no idea how many of these features I can enable on my 1080, but I guess we'll see.
I've no idea how many of these features I can enable on my 1080, but I guess we'll see.
Oh you, I understood this reference.
Eh? What issues? I don't remember hearing any. It is important to note, however, that HFTS automatically switches to PCSS in the evening and nighttime. It's not a bug, though, HFTS in The Division was only used for the sun. Hopefully, in Watch Dogs 2, it is used more liberally. Yeah, sure it's incredibly taxing, but it's justified if you have the hardware for it IMO. Hell, at least it's not like PCSS which softens the shadows a tad too much for my tastes and still costs a lot of performance cycles.
LelouchZero
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Wow this looks soo good!
QuantumSquid
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Ubisoft's recommended GPU for getting the best experience with Watch Dogs 2 is a GTX 970, so I'm pretty sure with a 1080 you'll be able to enable ALL THE FEATURES without having to worry too much about the performance impact.
Copper
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nah runs at a solid 1800p 30fps
Uhhh, all of them! The 1080 is also a beast.
Collateral22
Member
Have the specs been revealed yet? 970 i5-6600k combo here hoping for 60fps or in around that at 1080p. The Division runs great on it so similar to that would be nice.
Unknown Soldier
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It will probably be intended to be run on a 1080. At what resolution is the question, it's possible that you might only be able to get a decent framerate with all this stuff turned on in 1080p. Either way I'll be keeping an eye on this, I haven't heard that the game is actually that good but for eye candy I'm willing to grab it for $20 in mid-2017 after all the other stuff I want to play in late 2016/early 2017.
Nyteshade517
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Watch Dogs 2 PC System Requirements:
Minimum Specs
OS: (64-bit versions only) Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1, Windows 10
Processor: Intel Core i5-2400S @ 2.5 GHz / AMD FX 6120 @ 3.5 GHz
RAM: 6 GB
Video Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 (2 GB) / AMD Radeon HD 7870 (2 GB) or better
Hard Disk Space: 50 GB
Peripherals: Windows-compatible keyboard and mouse, Microsoft Xbox One Controller, DualShock 4 Controller
Recommended Specs
OS: (64-bit versions only) Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1, Windows 10
Processor: Intel Core i5-3470 @ 3.2 GHz / AMD FX 8120 @ 3.9 GHz
RAM: 8 GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 (3 GB) | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (4 GB) | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 (3 GB) or better | AMD Radeon R9 290 (4 GB) or better
Hard Disk Space: 50 GB
Peripherals: Windows-compatible keyboard and mouse, Microsoft Xbox One Controller, DualShock 4 Controller
QuantumSquid
Member
Expect excellent performance.
Blame mother nature for having a terrible eye for contrast and other asethetic properties. Photo:
Man, why can't Mother Nature be as realistic as video games?
1800 checkerboard is not 1800p.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Yeah, of course it is justified, it is PCSS with ray-tracing on top if i remember the explanation correctly so obviously when the sun comes down there is nothing to ray-cast. I am a sucker for good lighting but even with my 980ti, which was the best at that time, the drop were way too huge for me to keep it on.
Personally, I still have the 980ti so it's hard to get excited. Maybe when I upgrade to the next generation, lol.
ISee
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I never thought I'd be happy about txaa but I'm really happy with temporal AA lately.
HFTS is nice but it will be too taxing for most systems (mine included).
HBAO+ is a no brainer.
4k textures sound like 6+ gb of vram will be needed. Hopefully for the right reasons.
Overall... Sounds nice and normally nvidia promoted games seem to be well optimised.
Looking forward to this one and the performance thread/nvidia guide.
HFTS is nice but it will be too taxing for most systems (mine included).
HBAO+ is a no brainer.
4k textures sound like 6+ gb of vram will be needed. Hopefully for the right reasons.
Overall... Sounds nice and normally nvidia promoted games seem to be well optimised.
Looking forward to this one and the performance thread/nvidia guide.
Sounds very good. Now just got to wait and see if the performance level is good enough. Ubi seem to be making a bit of a push to improve the PC side of things lately, so I look forward to seeing how this turns out. If all's well, this will be the first Ubi game I've bought in quite a while
Frankly I'd actually encourage the perfromance heavy effects as long as they are optional as usual. Love having future proofed games that I can enjoy at a better standard during a future playthrough
Frankly I'd actually encourage the perfromance heavy effects as long as they are optional as usual. Love having future proofed games that I can enjoy at a better standard during a future playthrough
RamaTheVoice
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I'm not sure I like that this isn't a 1080p60 video.
Interestingly enough, I took this photo recently to illustrate the difficulty of contact hardening shadows:It's mentioned in the video. HFTS stands for Hybrid Frustrum Traced Shadows. Now, I don't know the implemented in detail, but the gist of it is it's the best looking shadow implementation in games by far. It looked amazing in The Division.
Unlike PCSS, it doesn't overly soften the shadows and shadows close to the surface it is cast on look pristine and sharp. Hopefully Dictator can weigh in on this more. Notice how the shadows of spokes of the wheels are nicely defined. It is so far the only shadow technique that does this well.
(Bicycles are hard!)
icecold1983
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ive been through this 1000 times. god rays changed with almost all 10 patches far cry 4 recieved. txaa and pcss never worked. pcss was also chaged with many of the patches, but not all and remains broken.
syndicate txaa is broken and pcss breaks the base msaa edge coverage
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2t0BsiVu0jpYThXaDY4T0hMUEk/view?usp=sharing
thats what txaa looks like in syndicate. if you think thats functioning fine i dont know what to tell you. download the file for proper quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04URvixusZM
ubis fake footage gameworks trailer
And why couldn't they have given us all these details prior to the console launch so people could make these most informed purchase?
I have a pretty nice gaming machine with a GTX 980Ti but bought this for my PS4 Pro simply because of the delay. I might have been convinced to hold off if they'd talked more in depth sooner.
I have a pretty nice gaming machine with a GTX 980Ti but bought this for my PS4 Pro simply because of the delay. I might have been convinced to hold off if they'd talked more in depth sooner.
chromatic9
Member
Wow impressive stuff. Defo buy. 1070 just nodded in approval.
Could HFTS help track shadows in sim driving games like Assetto Corsa, Pcars?
Good things, waiting and all that.
Could HFTS help track shadows in sim driving games like Assetto Corsa, Pcars?
Good things, waiting and all that.
Everyone obsessing over the volumetric smoke and fog and ignoring the fact that this is the second game to use HFTS? I'm disappointed, GAF.
Honestly, I'd love to see similar techniques used in games. It may be out of reach for the consoles this gen, but I'm really hoping it will be commonplace next gen.
HFTS is nice and all, but it brought my Titan X Pascal to it's knees in some scenarios in The Division, so hard to get to excited for now. Very cool for future GPUs though.
QuantumSquid
Member
Ubi said on their blog that there is no framerate cap, so that shouldn't be a concern.
Robobandit
Member
I think the larger concern being expressed is that perhaps the game doesn't run well enough for them to have recorded a 60 fps video, not that it would be capped to 30 fps.. but that to get consistent performance, people would have to.
ISee
Member
Absolutely. But I want a game to scale well across different hardware levels.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Been expecting this for months given the history of NVIDIA having promotions with Ubisoft games.
It still might be a YMMV thing but after waiting over an hour for someone I completely struck out for the first time with NewEgg, doesn't seem like they will be as accommodating to customers who bought the card before the promo started as they were even just a year ago. I figured that might be the case with they way they go about handling video card purchases and promotions now withing having the promo be full price of the game and then offsetting it with cutting the price of the video card as they did with my 1070 FTW and the GoW4 promotion.
It still might be a YMMV thing but after waiting over an hour for someone I completely struck out for the first time with NewEgg, doesn't seem like they will be as accommodating to customers who bought the card before the promo started as they were even just a year ago. I figured that might be the case with they way they go about handling video card purchases and promotions now withing having the promo be full price of the game and then offsetting it with cutting the price of the video card as they did with my 1070 FTW and the GoW4 promotion.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
thanks for sharing. sounds positive but still going to hold off to be on the safe side.