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[Coulomb_Barrier]

Dampening my enthusiasm somewhat that these cards don't OC that well compared to Maxwell. Even 2100 OC doesn't give you a lot of real-world performance gains over AIB card boost clocks.

Seems to hit a wall at 2Ghz, regardless of extra power connectors or temps.

 

[QuantumSquid]

Dampening my enthusiasm somewhat that these cards don't OC that well compared to Maxwell. Even 2100 OC doesn't give you a lot of real-world performance gains over AIB card boost clocks.

Seems to hit a wall at 2Ghz, regardless of extra power connectors or temps.

Gonna try to hit that with my FE then.

How high should my fan curve go to prevent thermal throttling at 2GHz?

 

[opticalmace]

Dampening my enthusiasm somewhat that these cards don't OC that well compared to Maxwell. Even 2100 OC doesn't give you a lot of real-world performance gains over AIB card boost clocks.

Seems to hit a wall at 2Ghz, regardless of extra power connectors or temps.

Yeah. Because of that ~2.1GHz wall in overclocking, which the FE card can almost do, I'm leaning toward buying a cheaper AIB card and calling it a day. Normally I would be interested in the high-end OC'ing AIB cards, like the MSI Twin Frozr or Gigabyte G1, but it may not be worth it here.

I may also be mixing up the 1070 and 1080 in OC'ing performance, but I thought they were pretty similar.

Gonna try to hit that with my FE then.

How high should my fan curve go to prevent thermal throttling at 2GHz?

Just try it and check logs of the temperature and core clock. See if it starts dropping speed once you hit a particular temperature. If so, and if you don't mind it, increase the fan speeds when approaching that temperature range.

 

[QuantumSquid]

Yeah. Because of that ~2.1GHz wall in overclocking, which the FE card can almost do, I'm leaning toward buying a cheaper AIB card and calling it a day. Normally I would be interested in the high-end OC'ing AIB cards, like the MSI Twin Frozr or Gigabyte G1, but it may not be worth it here.

I may also be mixing up the 1070 and 1080 in OC'ing performance, but I thought they were pretty similar.


Just try it and check logs of the temperature and core clock. See if it starts dropping speed once you hit a particular temperature. If so, and if you don't mind it, increase the fan speeds when approaching that temperature range.

Okay, sounds good.

I put in a preorder for the MSI 1070 FE on Amazon. I'm just gonna let that be what it is and hope that I get my card before the end of this month. MSI has good customer service, or so I've been told. This will be my first product from them.

What is the best software for customizing core clocks and fan curves? I already have MSI Afterburner, will that work?

 

[Jafku]

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1070
GTX 1070 in stock

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Gonna try to hit that with my FE then.

How high should my fan curve go to prevent thermal throttling at 2GHz?

Not sure but the FE gets hot quite quick so you'll need them spinning up past audible levels.

Yeah. Because of that ~2.1GHz wall in overclocking, which the FE card can almost do, I'm leaning toward buying a cheaper AIB card and calling it a day. Normally I would be interested in the high-end OC'ing AIB cards, like the MSI Twin Frozr or Gigabyte G1, but it may not be worth it here.

I may also be mixing up the 1070 and 1080 in OC'ing performance, but I thought they were pretty similar.

They're both pretty similar. OC AIB cards giving you only a handful of frames per second gains over FE cards at 1440p and certainly 4k for obvious reasons.

I'm leaning towards the MSI Armor if only cos its cheapest but still way overpriced at £390.

 

[shoreu]

has anyone caught anything on the twin Frozar from MSI in america?

 

[CHC]

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1070
GTX 1070 in stock

* Founder's Edition, obviously.

 

[Durante]

Dampening my enthusiasm somewhat that these cards don't OC that well compared to Maxwell. Even 2100 OC doesn't give you a lot of real-world performance gains over AIB card boost clocks.

Seems to hit a wall at 2Ghz, regardless of extra power connectors or temps.

It seems like memory OC can give you quite significant performance improvements depending on the game/settings though. I've seen ~10% in real-world performance in some reviews which achieved a good memory OC.

Edit: the first FE is down to 459€ in Germany, so it seems like prices are continuing to normalize slowly.

 

[Knurek]

I'm leaning towards the MSI Armor if only cos its cheapest but still way overpriced at £390.

I just need to have some non-PR confirmation that the Armor 2x edition this time has semi-passive cooling.

970 version had fans always running.

 

[QuantumSquid]

It seems like memory OC can give you quite significant performance improvements depending on the game/settings though. I've seen ~10% in real-world performance in some reviews which achieved a good memory OC.

Edit: the first FE is down to 459€ in Germany, so it seems like prices are continuing to normalize slowly.

Based on what you've seen so far, what would be a good conservative stable core clock and memory clock for the FE? I was thinking a flat 2 GHz for the core clock, but I wasn't sure about the memory.

 

[J-Rzez]

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1070
GTX 1070 in stock

I was almost tempted to go with this, but surprisingly controlled myself. I'll wait it out for the AIB cards in either this or 1080, whatever I find first.

I think part of the supply issue on the 1070 is that even places like Best Buy and New Egg have pre-made PCs with them in it. Thus cutting supply short for everyone else. This product launch has been garbage at best.

 

[QuantumSquid]

I was almost tempted to go with this, but surprisingly controlled myself. I'll wait it out for the AIB cards in either this or 1080, whatever I find first.

I think part of the supply issue on the 1070 is that even places like Best Buy and New Egg have pre-made PCs with them in it. Thus cutting supply short for everyone else. This product launch has been garbage at best.

You made the right choice not buying from Nvidia directly. If I recall correctly, they run their store through Digital River, who has 97% negative rating from Customer Service Scoreboard.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

You made the right choice not buying from Nvidia directly. If I recall correctly, they run their store through Digital River, who has 97% negative rating from Customer Service Scoreboard.

Square Enix Store uses Digital River too. Ugh.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

It seems like memory OC can give you quite significant performance improvements depending on the game/settings though. I've seen ~10% in real-world performance in some reviews which achieved a good memory OC.

Edit: the first FE is down to 459€ in Germany, so it seems like prices are continuing to normalize slowly.

Hopefully this is the case although the reviews I've seen had hefty mem OCs too.

 

[Azulsky]

Hopefully this is the case although the reviews I've seen had hefty mem OCs too.

Looks like the AIB versions are doing better, this MSI one has a 8 + 6 pin power.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_gaming_x_review,30.html

 

[QuantumSquid]

If I keep my resolution at 1080p, how many years do you think a 1070 will last me?

Could I make it to 2020?

 

[dgrdsv]

1060 is supposed to be 970 +~15% and full 6 GB of VRAM.
Costing the same as 970 now.
Hardly worth the upgrade for 970 owners, anyone with a lower card willing to play at 1080p60 should be happy with it though.

That would put it ~980 level which I'd say would be bad. GP104 is ~20% faster than GM200, I expect GP106 to be ~20% faster than GM204 meaning that top card on it should be ~20% faster than 980. Will cost $250-300 probably though.

But yeah, it still definitely would not be a worthy upgrade for 970 owners - unless there will be a 1060Ti 1070 is the only viable option for them.

 

[TheExodu5]

Heads up to Canadians.

NCIX had the 1070 Gigabyte G1 Gaming listed for $570. If you go to the product page however, it's $550.

That's the best price we've seen here. Way more reasonable than the $650 MSI Gaming X.

I went to the store and am on the reservation list for this card.

 

[Azulsky]

If I keep my resolution at 1080p, how many years do you think a 1070 will last me?

Could I make it to 2020?

If you are playing the same games as you are playing in 2016 then it will last you for the physical lifespan of the card....../smartass

#1 Wont last forever if you want >60fps especially if you want to max out a 144hz monitor
#2 SSAA/VSR/DSR where you are effectively rendering at integer multiples of 1080p then downsampling back to 1080p for IQ(Image Quality)

New cards always put up awesome #'s against current gen games. BF1 will probably knock them down a notch.

 

[QuantumSquid]

If you are playing the same games as you are playing in 2016 then it will last you for the physical lifespan of the card....../smartass

#1 Wont last forever if you want >60fps especially if you want to max out a 144hz monitor
#2 SSAA/VSR/DSR where you are effectively rendering at integer multiples of 1080p then downsampling back to 1080p for IQ(Image Quality)

New cards always put up awesome #'s against current gen games. BF1 will probably knock them down a notch.

Considering BF1 runs on the same engine with roughly the same fidelity as Battlefront, which ran amazingly well on even lower-end cards, I'd be surprised if the 1070 couldn't handle BF1 on Ultra at 1080p at a framerate significantly above 60.

 

[CraigerGamer]

I just got an email from newegg with a coupon for 10% off select desktop graphics cards. Don't know if the 1070 or 1080 qualify but the discount code is BTEEKFH48. Though tit might be worth a shot. Code expires 6/19.

 

[opticalmace]

If I keep my resolution at 1080p, how many years do you think a 1070 will last me?

Could I make it to 2020?

If you're willing to tweak settings over time, then sure. If you want 100% maxed, then no. Also depends on what you play, mind you.

 

[Pavaloo]

Heads up to Canadians.

NCIX had the 1070 Gigabyte G1 Gaming listed for $570. If you go to the product page however, it's $550.

That's the best price we've seen here. Way more reasonable than the $650 MSI Gaming X.

I went to the store and am on the reservation list for this card.

thanks for the tip! I may have to go after work and put my name down..


Does anyone think there will be a benefit to waiting beyond the 1060 releasing? Do GPUs usually see price degradation in their first year?

 

[Azulsky]

thanks for the tip! I may have to go after work and put my name down..


Does anyone think there will be a benefit to waiting beyond the 1060 releasing? Do GPUs usually see price degradation in their first year?

Likely when AMD launches their Vega series in the fall or when the Ti launches. Wouldn't expect it to be much though maybe $50 to bring it in line with last gen for the AIB versions.

When it got my 780s then upgraded to the Tis with EVGA step up I only had to pay the shipping difference since they had slashed the 780s original price

 

[dgrdsv]

thanks for the tip! I may have to go after work and put my name down..


Does anyone think there will be a benefit to waiting beyond the 1060 releasing? Do GPUs usually see price degradation in their first year?

There's definitely a benefit in waiting for 2-3 months after the start of sales. Even if the MSRP won't change the real retail prices are likely to fall closer to it.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Heads up to Canadians.

NCIX had the 1070 Gigabyte G1 Gaming listed for $570. If you go to the product page however, it's $550.

That's the best price we've seen here. Way more reasonable than the $650 MSI Gaming X.

I went to the store and am on the reservation list for this card.

That is $430 USD. Dammit, why does NCIX US have nothing???

Edit: Actually, they do have the G1... for $570 USD.

What
The
Fuck
????

Now I know how the rest of the work feels.

 

[TheExodu5]

There's definitely a benefit in waiting for 2-3 months after the start of sales. Even if the MSRP won't change the real retail prices are likely to fall closer to it.

Usually I'd say so. And I think it might be the case for the overpriced cards like the MSI Gaming X, but this Gigabyte card is quite reasonably priced, within the range of custom cards from previous gens when compared to the base MSRP.

 

[HungOverOnATues]

NCIX had the 1070 Gigabyte G1 Gaming listed for $570. If you go to the product page however, it's $550.

Looks like they fixed it. The wait for non-fucked pricing on 1070/1080 continues.

 

[Zojirushi]

Used 980tis on eBay are still going for roughly the price of new 1070s. Who in their right mind would still do that now?

 

[blAAAm!!!]

I need that Asus Strix 1070 asap! Thats the last piece of my new build im waiting on

 

[QuantumSquid]

Used 980tis on eBay are still going for roughly the price of new 1070s. Who in their right mind would still do that now?

Newegg is selling brand new EVGA 980 Ti Classifieds for $410 on eBay. I'll admit I came pretty close to buying one, that's a pretty good deal, especially considering you can use EVGA's Step Up program to switch to a 1070 or 1080 in the future.

 

[Bright-Light]

This info might be somewhere in this thread but im quite new to pc gaming and im not sure getting a 1070 would mean i have to upgrade anything else. can somebody shed some light on it please?

 

[opticalmace]

This info might be somewhere in this thread but im quite new to pc gaming and im not sure getting a 1070 would mean i have to upgrade anything else. can somebody shed some light on it please?

You're fine, just drop the new card in.

 

[Bright-Light]

You're fine, just drop the new card in.

Awesome. cheers.

 

[Bydobob]

Used 980tis on eBay are still going for roughly the price of new 1070s. Who in their right mind would still do that now?

New 980 TIs have just taken a tumble elsewhere though, making the 1070 almost redundant. This one caught my eye unexpectedly this morning and I ended up biting:

www.ebuyer.com/737142

I figured I could always step up to the 1080 in 3 months.

 

[Barzul]

This info might be somewhere in this thread but im quite new to pc gaming and im not sure getting a 1070 would mean i have to upgrade anything else. can somebody shed some light on it please?

I'd say you're good with that resolution for sure and your CPU is a good one. It really should be overclocked though. You have the K version and are running at stock speed.

 

[Cuban Legend]

I need that Asus Strix 1070 asap! Thats the last piece of my new build im waiting on

same here, sucks it doesnt show up on https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1070/

its code is ROG STRIX-GTX1070-O8G-GAMING it looks amazing http://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-GTX1070-O8G-GAMING/

might be the best 1070 overclocker if rumors are true

 

[dgrdsv]

This info might be somewhere in this thread but im quite new to pc gaming and im not sure getting a 1070 would mean i have to upgrade anything else. can somebody shed some light on it please?

Add another 8GB of RAM to this and you'll be fine with a 1070.

 

[QuantumSquid]

Add another 8GB of RAM to this and you'll be fine with a 1070.

Is 16 GB of RAM really that important? I've been running with 8 myself and I was unsure whether it would make a difference to get 16.

Also:

B&H Photo has EVGA 1070 Founder's Editions for the low, low price of only $500!

So when are those not-ridiculously-overpriced AIB 1070s going to start being sold again?

 

[R0ckman]

WTF Zotac Amp 1070 was up on amazon but is out of stock now? Granted I'm getting a 1080 but I was on these sites all day yesterday and didnt see it at all.

 

[Nyteshade517]

WTF Zotac Amp 1070 was up on amazon but is out of stock now? Granted I'm getting a 1080 but I was on these sites all day yesterday and didnt see it at all.

think it was just the page going up...not any that were available

also there's an error on it...says it's GDDR5X and not GDDR5 so they'll have to fix that

 

[Knurek]

Is 16 GB of RAM really that important? I've been running with 8 myself and I was unsure whether it would make a difference to get 16

If you don't want to close your browser while gaming, go with at least 16 GB.

 

[Durante]

There's now a 1070 listed for €432 in Germany. It's a plastic blower, but at least it's getting closer to what the $380 price + 20% tax would end up at (~€406 at current exchange rates).

 

[Iced]

My specs:

i5 2500K (oc'd to stable 4.5 GHz)
GTX 780 SC
16GB ram

Would upgrading to this card be sensible, or is my CPU going to be a bottleneck?

 

[Durante]

My specs:

i5 2500K (oc'd to stable 4.5 GHz)
GTX 780 SC
16GB ram

Would upgrading to this card be sensible, or is my CPU going to be a bottleneck?

It might be a small bottleneck in a scant few very CPU heavy games, but in the vast majority of cases it won't be -- and even when it is, you will still see a significant performance improvement.

 

[SneakyStephan]

My specs:

i5 2500K (oc'd to stable 4.5 GHz)
GTX 780 SC
16GB ram

Would upgrading to this card be sensible, or is my CPU going to be a bottleneck?

Totally depends on what games you play.

Play arma or mmos or total war games, cities skylines, maybe that new planetcoaster game? A new cpu can give you some 30 percent better fps and more consistent framerates

Got a 144hz monitor? go for the cpu too

If you play mostly console ports on a 60 hz monitor you'll get more out of a gpu.

 

[dgrdsv]

Is 16 GB of RAM really that important? I've been running with 8 myself and I was unsure whether it would make a difference to get 16.

Yep, 16 is important. A lot of new games tend to consume 10+ GB of RAM and if you add the OS footprint here you'll see that 8GB total is already cutting close. Doesn't mean that you can't game on 8GB machine but the loadings and hitching will be noticeably worse than on a 16GB one.

 

[Durante]

Play arma or mmos or total war games, cities skylines, maybe that new planetcoaster game? A new cpu can give you some 30 percent better fps and more consistent framerates

The more consistent frametimes in some games I can support, but 30% FPS? Nah. Not compared to a 2500k at 4.5 GHz -- at least not if you aren't already talking about >>>60 FPS.

 

[QuantumSquid]

Yep, 16 is important. A lot of new games tend to consume 10+ GB of RAM and if you add the OS footprint here you'll see that 8GB total is already cutting close. Doesn't mean that you can't game on 8GB machine but the loadings and hitching will be noticeably worse than on a 16GB one.

Interesting. Might pick up another 2 sticks to fill up the rest of my RAM slots then.