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Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070 Review Thread

Durante said:
The more consistent frametimes in some games I can support, but 30% FPS? Nah. Not compared to a 2500k at 4.5 GHz -- at least not if you aren't already talking about >>>60 FPS.
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Arma is single threaded and doesn't run anywhere near 60 fps in multiplayer:p

mmos like tera, wildstar or gw2 also are severely cpu bottlenecked (single digit fps on low end cpus in crowded places)

Doesn't skylake have about 30 percent higher IPC than sandy bridge? And they all overclock to 4.5ghz as well

I mean 30 percent over 5 years is really really sad performance gains to begin with :p

http://techreport.com/review/28751/intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake-processor-reviewed/8 (I linked one page but there's more games tested) shows skylake has some pretty nice frametime consistency gains over sandy bridge
 
Nothing in your link and nothing I've seen shows anything remotely like a 30% increase in average FPS compared to a 2500k at 4.5 GHz.
Yes, modern CPUs also OC roughly to the same frequencies, but that's (a) much less of a jump, relatively, and (b) already running into other limitations in common gameplay scenarios.

The latter is actually perfectly illustrated in the FPS chart in your link. If you OC the 2500k that significantly, it will run into the same average ~130 FPS area as all the others.
 
MuchoMalo said:
It's probably too late, but this has been available for preorder for the past hour (Gigabyte G1)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H0WU884/?tag=neogaf0e-20
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It's probably not too late - I can still add it to cart, so it still works at the time of this posting.

What really perplexes me is how the MSI Founder's 1070 has been preorder-able for the past day and a half. They must have so many orders on that one model now, how will they fulfill them all?
 
Durante said:
The more consistent frametimes in some games I can support, but 30% FPS? Nah. Not compared to a 2500k at 4.5 GHz -- at least not if you aren't already talking about >>>60 FPS.
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It is close to 30% when tested in really demanding places

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total was 28% for them
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http://pclab.pl/art65154-37.html

And memory used in that test favored ddr3 slightly:

DDR-2133 9-9-10-24 1N vs DDR4 DDR-2666 16-17-17-36 2N.



dr_rus said:
There's definitely a benefit in waiting for 2-3 months after the start of sales. Even if the MSRP won't change the real retail prices are likely to fall closer to it.
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Yeah nowadays i try to avoid any hardware buys if they aren't throwing some free stuff (games or accessories) or some reduction in price.
 
QuantumSquid said:
Damn that's tempting.

How much will the MSI Gaming X 1070 be?

If it's significantly more expensive I might just buy this. I like how unique it is too, isn't it MSI's only orange video card?
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Yeah, anyone else know? This is tempting but I want to know how much non founders edition 1070 will cost before I do this.
 
Nyteshade517 said:
Newegg has an MSI 980ti Golden Edition for $399.99 right now ($369.99 after mail-in rebate)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127912

tempted
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Damn that is a HUGE savings. Debatably worth it to have an upgrade now, the 1070 won't be near that price for quite some time judging by the way things have been going.

My only concern is how far the 1070 will likely pull ahead as drivers are further optimized. The 980Ti is as fast as it will ever be today, it's no longer the flagship.
 
In wondering when custom editions will become available for preorder in NZ, I'm without a graphics card at the moment... I also have a ps4 and some games I wanna play on there but still...
 
CHC said:
My only concern is how far the 1070 will likely pull ahead as drivers are further optimized. The 980Ti is as fast as it will ever be today, it's no longer the flagship.
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Your concern and mine. It will be interesting to see the performance delta between Pascal and Maxwell in upcoming releases. One hopes the similarities between Pascal and Maxwell mean it shouldn't be too much extra work optimising drivers for Maxwell.

As an aside I find it amusing that the unintended consequence of NVidia's price markup is that so many are now (re)considering their older flagship. The idea of buying a 780 TI during the release of 970/980 would've been nuts.
 
Right now you can get a 980ti for less then the price of the 1070's msrp. I'm starting to think that FE price will be the norm, which is a turn off. Has me considering the 980ti.

I'm itchy, but my conscience is screaming to keep waiting.
 
SneakyStephan said:
Arma is single threaded and doesn't run anywhere near 60 fps in multiplayer:p

mmos like tera, wildstar or gw2 also are severely cpu bottlenecked (single digit fps on low end cpus in crowded places)

Doesn't skylake have about 30 percent higher IPC than sandy bridge? And they all overclock to 4.5ghz as well

I mean 30 percent over 5 years is really really sad performance gains to begin with :p

http://techreport.com/review/28751/intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake-processor-reviewed/8 (I linked one page but there's more games tested) shows skylake has some pretty nice frametime consistency gains over sandy bridge
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Yea no, this isn't true.

There is a lot that runs on multiple threads, but the main simulation does indeed run on one causing performance issues.

Regardless of that fact, I still manage to average 60+ FPS in multiplayer, even in stuff like Wasteland.

I don't think it's fair to say multiplayer doesn't run at 60fps when every fucking server uses shitty SQF scripts that bloat the game. Normal ARMA 3 TvT runs great.
 
CHC said:
My only concern is how far the 1070 will likely pull ahead as drivers are further optimized. The 980Ti is as fast as it will ever be today, it's no longer the flagship.
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Erm that's normal?

Something that has been on the market for two years more will have all the low hanging fruits of optimization already taken so new architecture is going to always have more untapped potential
 
Google said:
What sort of performance bump would I see with a 1070 vs 2 x 980s?
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Considering a lot of games don't scale or don't scale well with SLI, I think it'd be worth it. I'm moving from 2 980s to a 1080 for this very reason.

I don't think DX12 will be friendly to multi-GPU if it's entirely up to the developers to support it and not something NVIDIA and AMD can assist with through drivers.
 
CcrooK said:
Odd. Says it was out of stock yet it still let me order?
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Yes. Amazon doesn't have any in stock currently but instead of having to stalk the page constantly for days until they finally get some stock, they will just ship one to you when they receive that stock. You're basically reserving one. I wouldn't expect it to ship until next week though.

Google said:
What sort of performance bump would I see with a 1070 vs 2 x 980s?
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In games without SLI support, a pretty significant boost.

In games with SLI support, your performance will be worse. If you want guaranteed better performance in every game, even the ones that support SLI, you'd need to go for the 1080.
 
QuantumSquid said:
Yes. Amazon doesn't have any in stock currently but instead of having to stalk the page constantly for days until they finally get some stock, they will just ship one to you when they receive that stock. You're basically reserving one. I wouldn't expect it to ship until next week though.
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I see. I was just curious. Canceled it out. Gonna wait for more custom cards later.
 
QuantumSquid said:
In games with SLI support, your performance will be worse. If you want guaranteed better performance in every game, even the ones that support SLI, you'd need to go for the 1080.
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Therein lies the pitfall with upgrading from SLI. That next buy is tough... You typically either give up a performance on some games to benefit on others, or you double down and go SLI again. Alternative is to suffer on the games that don't support SLI for a long time, then upgrade.
 
Here's what I have so far for confirmed NA pricing for AIB cards:

Gigabyte G1 Gaming - $429
ASUS Strix - $449
EVGA ACX 3.0 - $419
EVGA ACX 3.0 SC - $439
EVGA ACX 3.0 FTW - ???
MSI Armor - ???
MSI Armor OC - ???
MSI Aero - ???
MSI Aero OC - ???
MSI Gaming X - ???
Zotac Amp - $449
Zotac Amp Extreme - ???

Am I missing anything?
 
jrh2 said:
$429 is less than I thought that card would be

I think it's probably what I'm aiming for
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I managed to snap this up by chance after randomly checking nowinstock. It will pair nicely with my shiny new Dell 1440 144. Although I was hoping to get a 1080, I think this may just be the smarter buy.
 
jrh2 said:
Here's what I have so far for confirmed NA pricing for AIB cards:

Gigabyte G1 Gaming - $429
ASUS Strix - $449
EVGA ACX 3.0 - $419
EVGA ACX 3.0 SC - $439
EVGA ACX 3.0 FTW - ???
MSI Armor - ???
MSI Armor OC - ???
MSI Aero - ???
MSI Aero OC - ???
MSI Gaming X - ???
Zotac Amp - $449
Zotac Amp Extreme - ???

Am I missing anything?
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dang i really wanted to go all in on the ASUS 1070 Strix... I've always had ASUS cards since 2006 with my 7950 GX2...

Now I'm more inclined to wait for the reviews and buy the most affordable AIB 1070, or the best bang for buck version.
 
CcrooK said:
I see. I was just curious. Canceled it out. Gonna wait for more custom cards later.
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I was considering cancelling and waiting for cards like the MSI Gaming X but then I realized that, being an MSI Twin Frozr card, they will probably be super expensive, so I think I might stick with the 1070 SC. EVGA is my preferred brand and I can't imagine a better card coming from them that won't be more expensive than the Founder's Edition.
 
NeoBob688 said:
When will the Gigabyte's GTX 1070 G1 be reviewed and available?

EDIT: The one with the 3 fans.
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Review: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080-g1-gaming-review,1.html

Stalk this page to get one once it is available: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H0WU884/?tag=neogaf0e-20

It was up for preorder earlier today. I'm sure if you just stalk that page for a day or two, the opportunity to secure one will present itself.

EDIT: I think I'll stick with my 970 for just a little while longer. I can still play most games on decent settings with it at 1080p 60fps, so I don't see much reason to drop the majority of my spending money on a 1070 right now.

I will be cancelling my preorder at 9:30 PM EST (15 minutes from this post). I do not know if it will make it available to preorder again, but if you're trying to get your hands on an EVGA GTX 1070 ACX 3.0, that's what my preorder is for.

Refresh the hell out of this page at 9:30 if you want a shot at my preorder: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GX5YWAO/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Good luck!
 
Jafku said:
MSI GTX 1070 Armor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127951&ignorebbr=1
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That's a pretty terrible price considering the Armor is their low end cooler.

NeoBob688 said:
That is the 1080 tho.

EDIT: Ok nevermind.
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Somewhat comparable, though the 1080 cooler has more heatpipes than their 1070 version going by their website pictures.

Kind of a terrible review though. Doesn't really show how well the cooler performs...just that it's louder than the stock cooler. But Gigabyte has always been aggressive with their default fan curves, so that doesn't tell us much.
 
TheExodu5 said:
That's a pretty terrible price considering the Armor is their low end cooler.
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I am fucking terrified of what the MSI Gaming X 1070 will cost if the Armor is $450.

The MSI Gaming 1080 costs $720. That's $120 over the $599 starting price.

...maybe people should go for EVGA's $680 FTW edition instead.
 
TheExodu5 said:
That's a pretty terrible price considering the Armor is their low end cooler.



Somewhat comparable, though the 1080 cooler has more heatpipes than their 1070 version going by their website pictures.

Kind of a terrible review though. Doesn't really show how well the cooler performs...just that it's louder than the stock cooler. But Gigabyte has always been aggressive with their default fan curves, so that doesn't tell us much.
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Am I the only one who thinks that noise while gaming isn't super important compared to noise at idle, and thus feels that having a 0% fan mode is more important in the end?
 
MuchoMalo said:
Am I the only one who thinks that noise while gaming isn't super important compared to noise at idle, and thus feels that having a 0% fan mode is more important in the end?
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Both are very important to me.

Personally, I like running my PC fans at fixed speeds. I don't like hearing them throttle up or down. Overall fan performance is what matters in the end.

Of course, the ability to stop the fans during low power usage is pretty awesome. If I could do that for my whole PC, I'd definitely move away from fixed fan speeds.
 
Sadly, I appreciate some background fan noise while I work. I just don't want anything loud. The background noise masks my ears ringing.

Don't abuse your ears young people!
 
TheExodu5 said:
Both are very important to me.

Personally, I like running my PC fans at fixed speeds. I don't like hearing them throttle up or down. Overall fan performance is what matters in the end.

Of course, the ability to stop the fans during low power usage is pretty awesome. If I could do that for my whole PC, I'd definitely move away from fixed fan speeds.
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Fair enough. I wonder if the difference is enough to be an actual problem. I doubt that it's worth the price difference either way, though. I'm just happy with a cheap-ish card with a custom PCB with more power phases though. That's pretty satisfying.

Weevilone said:
Sadly, I appreciate some background fan noise while I work. I just don't want anything loud. The background noise masks my ears ringing.

Don't abuse your ears young people!
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You should look at the FE or the mythical cheap blower then. And I'm sorry the hear that. :(
 
Guess there won't be an SSC this time around seeing as there isn't much of a difference between the SC and FTW clocks that would leave an opening for it. Do wonder where prices will settle in a few months.
 
MuchoMalo said:
Fair enough. I wonder if the difference is enough to be an actual problem. I doubt that it's worth the price difference either way, though. I'm just happy with a cheap-ish card with a custom PCB with more power phases though. That's pretty satisfying.
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The Gigabyte cooler will be fine.

It definitely won't be as good as the MSI Gaming X. The Gigabyte GTX 1070 has 2 heatpipes while the MSI Gaming X has 6. I'm fairly certain the MSI will have a much better cooler. That being said, the Gigabyte is far better priced.

Me? I'm going with the Gigabyte. It's $550 CDN while the MSI Gaming X is $650 CDN. I can't quite justify the difference.

Here's the image on the Gigabyte site:

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Here's the MSI on the other hand:

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Pretty disappointing really. But still, this is a 150W card we're talking about.

To compare, here's Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 980 Ti. It's not the same cooler at all:

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So I'm currently on a 290x, and it's starting to feel a bit long in the tooth. But I also can't tell if a 1070 is going to push me far enough beyond it to make it feel like a worthy investment.

I'm at 1080p, and running most of my games at a good framerate (albeit not always 60s without caveats). What benefits would there be for someone like me? I don't imagine I'll be picking up a 4k display in the next couple years (Though maybe). Should I be waiting another ten? Obviously power is always increasing, but will this feel like a meaningful jump?
 
TheExodu5 said:
The Gigabyte cooler will be fine.

It definitely won't be as good as the MSI Gaming X. The Gigabyte GTX 1070 has 2 heatpipes while the MSI Gaming X has 6. I'm fairly certain the MSI will have a much better cooler. That being said, the Gigabyte is far better priced.

Me? I'm going with the Gigabyte. It's $550 CDN while the MSI Gaming X is $650 CDN. I can't quite justify the difference.
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I've been very happy with my GB780, and thinking about going to 1070.
 
Looking at it some more, I'm pretty worried about what kind of corners Gigabyte has cut to achieve a low price point with it's Gaming G1 GTX 1070.

Here's their 970 heatsink:

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Considering the 970 has roughly the same wattage as the GTX 1070, it's worrying to see that the 1070 seems like a significantly worse cooler.

Again for reference, the picture from their 1070 product page:

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