It's not always like that, it only happens when the cards in question are really popular and/or in low supply.
It might have been getting worse over the years, maybe it's due to PC gaming becoming more popular
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Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070 Review Thread
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It might have been getting worse over the years, maybe it's due to PC gaming becoming more popular
Same otherwise I'd be unpressured to wait
billmcdougal
Member
Thinking of pre-ordering the MSI 1070 Gaming X. $450 is more than I wanted to pay, but I was waiting to upgrade before playing the Witcher expansions and they're quite high on my hype chart.
Wouldn't it be better to go with a 970 then?
They are in stock everywhere, usually on clearance sales (so cheap, cheap, cheap), and by the time you will play everything 970 can run (which is... everything released so far?), you will be able to upgrade either to 1070 or even 1170.
At least around here, 770 and 780 wasn't that bad, maybe a week or two of low availability. 980 and in particular 970 was absolutely dreadful though. You couldn't really reliably get the more desirable AiB models of the latter in stock for months. (But at least in that case we know that it sold at unprecedented levels for a card in its range)
It sounds silly, but I'd hope that if nothing else the increased price level of 1070 at least leads to a faster normalization in that regard
And I agree that it's frustrating, especially if you need a GPU quickly for some reason.
I'm in the same boat. Got a 970 in November for 280 but unfortunately it broke last week. Although Amazon gave me a full refund so maybe it was actually fortunate since I basically used it for half a year for free. Now I'd rather get the 1070 than another 970 but it's so expensive, the cheapest is 450 at the moment. Hoping prices will go down as supply goes up.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I really hope anyone suggesting that puts his wallet where his mouth is and gets such crossfire setup and enjoys it for next few years
Nah. Have a Gigabyte 1070 G1 on backorder from Amazon.
Gigabyte has announced a new lower-end 1070. It looks like it uses the same heatsink and PCB as the G1, but the clocks are lower and there's one less fan (meaning that this card will be hotter and/or louder).Could be nice if they get it out for $400.
icecold1983
Member
At least around here, 770 and 780 wasn't that bad, maybe a week or two of low availability. 980 and in particular 970 was absolutely dreadful though. You couldn't really reliably get the more desirable AiB models of the latter in stock for months. (But at least in that case we know that it sold at unprecedented levels for a card in its range)
It sounds silly, but I'd hope that if nothing else the increased price level of 1070 at least leads to a faster normalization in that regard
And I agree that it's frustrating, especially if you need a GPU quickly for some reason.
980ti custom boards were pretty hard to get for a while too
TharpDaddy
Member
Heat doesn't impact performance unless it hits throttling temps right? This lower end card sounds good to me if its sub $400
$899 in NZ. I know that feeling...
Unknown Soldier
Banned
I've owned a lot of Gigabyte stuff over the years, never had issues with it.
True, which is pretty interesting considering the price level on those.
Cuban Legend
Member
I JUST WANT THE ASUS STRIX 1070 to be in stock already!!
Not just because I'm an ASUS fanboy or because of the overclock, but because the 2 HDMI ports on the back are perfect for me.
I want to wait for an AIB with a $379 version of a 1070 but I doubt thats ever going to happen, this is really frustrating seeing all the custom board partners pricing their cards around the FE...
I could just go to my local Best Buy and snag an FE 1070, as they are in stock and no one has bought any here where I live, but then I deal with the price markup, UGHHH
Not just because I'm an ASUS fanboy or because of the overclock, but because the 2 HDMI ports on the back are perfect for me.
I want to wait for an AIB with a $379 version of a 1070 but I doubt thats ever going to happen, this is really frustrating seeing all the custom board partners pricing their cards around the FE...
I could just go to my local Best Buy and snag an FE 1070, as they are in stock and no one has bought any here where I live, but then I deal with the price markup, UGHHH
I honestly just want a card that's close to one of the best ones.
KnightHart
Member
I've never been a huge fan of their mobos for the same reason. On my first and second ever PC builds I used Gigabyte cause they were the best bang for your buck back then and they were both DOA. Nothing but good things when it comes to everything else though, especially their GPU's.
Currently staring at my deposit/back-ordered Gigabyte G1 from NCIX. Its a pretty hefty jump from an EVGA 770 2GB and the thirst is so real. Gotta wait 2-3 weeks apparently
Beautiful Ninja
Member
I believe Gigabyte has a reputation of really cheaping out on their low end stuff, but their high end gear tends to be built quite well. I've heard few problems about Windforce GPU's, but their cheap mobo's would be rather shoddily made.
Shadowhaxor
Member
Yes. It had a bit of issue when it was discovered that it wasn't s true 4GB card, but is still one of Nvidia's best cards. The GTX 970 was very available on launch. I didn't get what's going on with the GTX 1080 and GTX 1070's.
Nvidia rushed these cards out to beat AMD to market. It's also a new, immature process and yields aren't quite up to snuff.
ShadowKingpin
Member
I really hope I can get one around $400 by beginning of September, since that is when my parts will be purchased. I need in this in my life.
I was finally able to look up my PSU. It's this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016 (Antec BP550 Plus 550W ATX12V V2.3)
According to the Newegg page it does not have an 8-pin connector, but could somebody tell me if that's correct and I really would need to get a new PSU with the 1070?
If so, what's a good brand? I paid $65 for that one back in 2011 and bought another one for another PC in 2013. Do most new ones come with 8-pins?
Edit: And I might be willing to settle for that lower-end Gigabyte. My current 760 is a Gigabyte with a 3-fan cooler. I don't think I've ever seen its temps go over the low 70's. I'm using a full tower with a lot of space though. Does that lower-end just mean a worse cooler or actually less horsepower?
I'll still wait for sub-$400 cards, but my time limit is probably early August. If prices are still around the FE then, then I'll have to settle for that or consider a 480.
According to the Newegg page it does not have an 8-pin connector, but could somebody tell me if that's correct and I really would need to get a new PSU with the 1070?
If so, what's a good brand? I paid $65 for that one back in 2011 and bought another one for another PC in 2013. Do most new ones come with 8-pins?
Edit: And I might be willing to settle for that lower-end Gigabyte. My current 760 is a Gigabyte with a 3-fan cooler. I don't think I've ever seen its temps go over the low 70's. I'm using a full tower with a lot of space though. Does that lower-end just mean a worse cooler or actually less horsepower?
I'll still wait for sub-$400 cards, but my time limit is probably early August. If prices are still around the FE then, then I'll have to settle for that or consider a 480.
opticalmace
Member
It has an 8-pin connector, listed as 6+2. It also has a single 6-pin to go with it.
Yeah I just realized that when I looked back at the specs for my specific 760 -- says it requires a 6-pin AND and 8-pin, whereas the 1070 just requires the 8-pin.
And if I'm correct Gigabytes Windforce 1070 just overclocks less than the G1 right? I wasn't intending to OC anyway since I'm only using it for 1080p gaming. Maybe downsampling in cases where I have enough headroom.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
People are willing to pay more. Simple as that.
Yeah, it's terrible.
New MSI 970 Gaming can be had here for 1325 PLN (300), and it's been steadily going down in price for the past few weeks.
New MSI 1070 Gaming will cost 2349 PLN (530).
Considering the power difference between those two, 970 is actually a better deal. :\
They added a shitty blower card to start prices at $379. I don't remember that type of card for the 900 series. Then they added $20, $40 to all the other cards. Add in the jump in price from $349 to $379 and it seems a lot more expensive.
The Windforce has lower factory overclocks out of the box than the G1... maybe by 50~100Mhz? Need to check on the official specs. You can use the Gigabyte software or MSI Afterburner to clock it higher yourself.
The difference being the Windforce has 2 fans and the G1 3 fans, theoretically the G1 should keep things temps lower and more stable overclock, but a number of reviews now have said that the voltage is locked on the 1080/1070 cards and that the temps never get high enough to lower the clocks, so maybe 2 fans will be sufficient. Hard to be definitive until actual reviews come out.
Bl@de
Member
What currency? including tax? Hmm ... maybe a year :/
How about $420 for a EVGA ACX 3.0? Was available for preorder for a bit yesterday or the day before on Amazon?
Sorry. US Dollars.
Seriously? What the fuuuuuck happened to that $379 price?
Sorry. US Dollars.
Seriously? What the fuuuuuck happened to that $379 price?
The AIB partners added a blower style cooler card as the $379 entry model. The better coolers start $20-$40 more.
Sorry. US Dollars.
Seriously? What the fuuuuuck happened to that $379 price?
Same thing that often happens: money. $379 is for the bare bones versions and those are not available yet because the better profit versions are selling as much as they can deliver. Plus some price gouging depending on retailer.
The FE should have been one of the $379 versions with great availability but Nvidia decided they want more money for themselves.
dgrdsv
Member
Except these money aren't for Nvidia, they are for the whatever boardmakers who sell the FE card. (Unless you buy the card directly from NV of course.)
matrix-cat
Member
So is it even worth waiting for a card like the MSI Gaming X to drop in price? It's $450 now, but considering it's overclocked and has a custom cooler, I wonder if that's just going to be the final price. Something like $400 would be a whole lot more palatable, but I don't know if that's a realistic expectation.
Damn it, 2 HDMI ports would be perfect for me as well, but the Asus card is even more expensive than the MSI card I was eyeing.
As an aside, does anyone know why are multiple hdmi ports so rare? Licensing costs?
DrProfBitseys
Neo Member
I think display port is just becoming the standard for high end displays (greater than 1080P and/or greater than 60 Hz)
I'm getting ready to build my first proper PC after about 6 years of laptop gaming, but I'm holding out on the 1070 being readily available before I pull the trigger.
I'm confused, though. Why are there so many different brands of 1070's? I thought it was just the NVidia Geforce GTX 1070, but when I browse newegg I see multiple brands and manufacturers for it. What are the differences?
I'm confused, though. Why are there so many different brands of 1070's? I thought it was just the NVidia Geforce GTX 1070, but when I browse newegg I see multiple brands and manufacturers for it. What are the differences?
Tart Toter 9k
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The difference is mostly the fan/heat sink that sits on top of the board. Some also have slightly different clock speeds.
They are all the same GPU but they do perform slightly better or worse than others based on how they are clocked and how good they can get rid of the heat that is generated.
Just buy a DisplayPort to HDMI cable from amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004C9P9TM/?tag=neogaf0e-20
4K 6ft cable 16 bucks, 10ft cable 18 dollars.
I'm guessing this would work but maybe it won't for your situation.
It's not that I can't use DisplayPort (I'm using it right now), I would just prefer HDMI.
nvidia provides the GTX 1070 chip and a reference design (on which most of the early 1070 cards are based on) to manufacturers.
So the actual cards can vary in clockspeed, fans, connectors, memory and more.
I'm currently waiting a few more months to see which cards from 1 or 2 manufacturers with the best quality and cost/value are filtered out.
People in here and some reviews might be able to tell you what model is a good choice to order right now.