nVidia GeForce GTX 11-series projected to launch in July.

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Far Cry 5 is already hard to have a steady 60fps at 4K, so future titles like Fallout 76 will struggle too I imagine. Nobody 'needs' anything. Obviously these cards are for the enthusiasts crowd. Do we need cars that go over 100mph?
For me, anything over 60 fps is icing on the cake. The thing about next gen video cards is that they can run newer games for a longer time.
 

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Far Cry 5 is already hard to have a steady 60fps at 4K, so future titles like Fallout 76 will struggle too I imagine. Nobody 'needs' anything. Obviously these cards are for the enthusiasts crowd. Do we need cars that go over 100mph?
The only people who seem to complain or are "against" next gen stuff (gpu's, consoles, whatever) are those who invested late into the current gen and are now upset that something new may be coming out soon. Literally those are the only people I ever see complain about this stuff coming (which is made evident by them saying "I just bought x, so I would be fine with [next iteration] coming out in 2-3 years"). That's technology people.
 
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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/vietnamese-store-put-up-preorder-for-asus-rog-strix-1180s.html

A Vietnamese store has placed a preorder for the ASUS ROG STRIX 1180 online.
So basically the shop claims the card will be in stock on September 28th and would be a 12nm based Pascal respin with faster graphics memory(GDDR6) tagged as Turing (GT104). Notice that the 3584 CUDA cores listed are a similar amount to the 1080 Ti, and that thus hints at a Pascal respin at 12nm.

  • GPU: GT104
  • 3584 CUDA cores
  • Memory type: GDDR6 Micron - new architecture
  • Size: 16GB
  • Memory BUS: 256-bit
  • Memory Speed: 14.0 Gbps
 
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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/vietnamese-store-put-up-preorder-for-asus-rog-strix-1180s.html

A Vietnamese store has placed a preorder for the ASUS ROG STRIX 1180 online.
So basically the shop claims the card will be in stock on September 28th and would be a 12nm based Pascal respin with faster graphics memory(GDDR6) tagged as Turing (GT104). Notice that the 3584 CUDA cores listed are a similar amount to the 1080 Ti, and that thus hints at a Pascal respin at 12nm.

  • GPU: GT104
  • 3584 CUDA cores
  • Memory type: GDDR6 Micron - new architecture
  • Size: 16GB
  • Memory BUS: 256-bit
  • Memory Speed: 14.0 Gbps
To be honest I'd be hard pressed to shell out money for a card based on 12nm when 7nm is seemingly right around the corner.
 
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I am going to wait for 1180Ti. Sure the 1180 probably will be 15-20% faster than 1080Ti, but there are no games struggling on my 1080Ti at 1200p.

Over the last 2 gen the 80Ti series seems to pack more punch for the dollars.

Parking my funds for a real 4K HDR PC monitor with 10bit 4:4:4 1000nits etc.
Yea, that monitor would be nice. I got a 1080ti, but Don't think i'l want to upgrade until like 3-4 years. Just got my pc rig last december, and it cost me quite a penny.
 

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https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20180629PD204.html

The sources pointed out that graphics card prices are expected to see an average drop of around 20% in July, while the dramatic slowdown in orders for mining ASICs will also negatively affect revenues at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) as well as its IC design service partners, such as Global Unichip, in 2018.

http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/lenovo-legion-y530-to-feature-the-geforce-gtx-1160/

As you may have already mentioned, LaptopMedia is the first website in which you can read a detailed review of the new Lenovo Legion Y530. We have one additional surprise for you though – In addition to the GTX 1050 and GTX 1050 Ti variants at the end of this year (November / December), the model will be released with the next-gen NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1160!

http://laptopmedia.com/video-card/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1160-6gb-gddr5/
 
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https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-2080-ti-benchmark-leak/

NVIDIA’s next-generation graphics cards are a complete mystery even after several rumors and leaks. While there is no concrete timeframe given when the new cards would launch, a listing in Ashes of the Singularity benchmark database (via TUM APISAK) may have revealed the next-gen flagship graphics card for the GeForce family.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2080 Ti Benchmark Leaks Out – Tested in AOTS Benchmark, Is This Leak Credible?
The benchmark was posted by the user “Nagato” who has no playtime in the game itself so I would say he’s a tester rather than a gamer. The user tested the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2080 Ti graphics card that is clearly mentioned in the hardware configuration. The chip was tested with a Core i7-7700K CPU which is good enough for gaming. The interesting part is that the card is listed as a special delivery for GSS. This is the first time we are looking at such an unusual naming attached to a GeForce card.
 
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https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-2080-ti-benchmark-leak/

NVIDIA’s next-generation graphics cards are a complete mystery even after several rumors and leaks. While there is no concrete timeframe given when the new cards would launch, a listing in Ashes of the Singularity benchmark database (via TUM APISAK) may have revealed the next-gen flagship graphics card for the GeForce family.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2080 Ti Benchmark Leaks Out – Tested in AOTS Benchmark, Is This Leak Credible?
The benchmark was posted by the user “Nagato” who has no playtime in the game itself so I would say he’s a tester rather than a gamer. The user tested the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2080 Ti graphics card that is clearly mentioned in the hardware configuration. The chip was tested with a Core i7-7700K CPU which is good enough for gaming. The interesting part is that the card is listed as a special delivery for GSS. This is the first time we are looking at such an unusual naming attached to a GeForce card.
Hadn't the naming scheme been settled on for good and weren't all hints supposedly pointing to nVidia going with 11X0? We're not talking two separate GPU lines here, are we?
 
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I am just feeling weary resignation at this point, the miners will just buy them all and us gamers will either have to pay scalper prices or be left with nothing.
 
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I am just feeling weary resignation at this point, the miners will just buy them all and us gamers will either have to pay scalper prices or be left with nothing.
Mining at the moment seems to be nearly dead and gpu prices returned to norm so we might be saved for now. Still I think I'll try to pre-order one of those new gpus because if it turns out nvidia added something that would greatly increase their efficiency at mining it could make gpus dissappear again :D
 
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  • GeForce GTX 1180: 30/08
  • GeForce GTX 1170 y 1180+: 30/09
  • GeForce GTX 1160: 30/10
Several magazines online somehow state the price tag as around 900 bucks for the 1180.. I so hope that's not true. I'd get it for 699 in a instant, 799 only with at least 25+% increase over 1080ti and never for 899 bucks. I could get myself nearly a complete rig for 1k with a 1080 right now so 1180 better stick around 700ish. (PS talking about €)
 
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Several magazines online somehow state the price tag as around 900 bucks for the 1180.. I so hope that's not true. I'd get it for 699 in a instant, 799 only with at least 25+% increase over 1080ti and never for 899 bucks. I could get myself nearly a complete rig for 1k with a 1080 right now so 1180 better stick around 700ish. (PS talking about €)
I have a hard time imagining a 700 EUR price tag considering that the 1080ti are still mostly at 800 EUR. I'd also bite end of this year with a price of 700 EUR. Don't care about resolution but I'd love to hit 144 fps on 1080p with all games, even the newer ones.
 
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It's probably incompetent journalists directly converting price from region where taxes are included into USD where tax is added later. I see it very often in local portals here.
 
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What I took away from that second wccftech article was this:
- GTX 1160 (120W TDP card) = $499
- GTX 1170 (150W TDP card) = $599
- GTX 1180 (180W TDP card) = $699 to $749

Those prices are freaking awful and make very little sense, since the GTX '60 series has never been that high, nor has the GTX '70 series. Those are like $200 premiums over past generations, which even for Nvidia (who has no competition) is too much (especially when everybody was expecting 7nm Fab).
 
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What I took away from that second wccftech article was this:
- GTX 1160 (120W TDP card) = $499
- GTX 1170 (150W TDP card) = $599
- GTX 1180 (180W TDP card) = $699 to $749

Those prices are freaking awful and make very little sense, since the GTX '60 series has never been that high, nor has the GTX '70 series. Those are like $200 premiums over past generations, which even for Nvidia (who has no competition) is too much (especially when everybody was expecting 7nm Fab).
Yea good luck with those prices.

These gen cards are terrible to upgrade towards anyway. I rather wait a year or two and see what next gen consoles launch with, so i can focus on a 10+ year build again.
 
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Yea good luck with those prices.

These gen cards are terrible to upgrade towards anyway. I rather wait a year or two and see what next gen consoles launch with, so i can focus on a 10+ year build again.
Good point since these new cards seem to be a stop gap for all intents and purposes.

At the end of the day though, I'm not sure why I even care about pricing, specs, etc. as I've barely played any games on PC since I got my first graphics card in 2012 or 2013, relative to console. Ratio of games beat is probably 1 PC game for every 4 console games.
 
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What I took away from that second wccftech article was this:
- GTX 1160 (120W TDP card) = $499
- GTX 1170 (150W TDP card) = $599
- GTX 1180 (180W TDP card) = $699 to $749

Those prices are freaking awful and make very little sense, since the GTX '60 series has never been that high, nor has the GTX '70 series. Those are like $200 premiums over past generations, which even for Nvidia (who has no competition) is too much (especially when everybody was expecting 7nm Fab).
So if they name them 1170 , 1180 and 1180ti then everything will be fine ?
 
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What I took away from that second wccftech article was this:
- GTX 1160 (120W TDP card) = $499
- GTX 1170 (150W TDP card) = $599
- GTX 1180 (180W TDP card) = $699 to $749

Those prices are freaking awful and make very little sense, since the GTX '60 series has never been that high, nor has the GTX '70 series. Those are like $200 premiums over past generations, which even for Nvidia (who has no competition) is too much (especially when everybody was expecting 7nm Fab).
Why would they price them that high if its not 7nm process. Should be similar to the 900 series pricing as the 10 series been out a long time and it feels these are just refreshes of those.
500 dollars for a 1160 is way too much.
 
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The more I think about it, the more sense it makes sense for me to get a gaming laptop with the new chips.

My Razer Blade 14 with 970M is not bad but the new 15 inch Razer is much better with regards to screen, design, keyboard and especially the trackpad. Buying one now with 1060 or 1070 makes no sense whatsoever, but once they refresh the insides with the new 11 series chips then I think I'll get one. Figure they'll have one out within a year.
 
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What I took away from that second wccftech article was this:
- GTX 1160 (120W TDP card) = $499
- GTX 1170 (150W TDP card) = $599
- GTX 1180 (180W TDP card) = $699 to $749

Those prices are freaking awful and make very little sense, since the GTX '60 series has never been that high, nor has the GTX '70 series. Those are like $200 premiums over past generations, which even for Nvidia (who has no competition) is too much (especially when everybody was expecting 7nm Fab).
The article does mention something weird that the top end card has 11GB of memory while the other 8. This would be weird because it would indicate that the 70 and 80 are using different chips. Maybe the 1180ti is launching first.

Also mentioned that Nvidia wants the prices high until the existing 10-series stock shrinks. Good luck, at these prices I will wait.
 
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What I took away from that second wccftech article was this:
- GTX 1160 (120W TDP card) = $499
- GTX 1170 (150W TDP card) = $599
- GTX 1180 (180W TDP card) = $699 to $749

Those prices are freaking awful and make very little sense, since the GTX '60 series has never been that high, nor has the GTX '70 series. Those are like $200 premiums over past generations, which even for Nvidia (who has no competition) is too much (especially when everybody was expecting 7nm Fab).
And you really believe those prices ?

When gtx460 launched at $200. 660 ~ 230, 760 ~ 250, 960 ~ 200. 1160 will be same ~ 250.
 
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And you really believe those prices ?

When gtx460 launched at $200. 660 ~ 230, 760 ~ 250, 960 ~ 200. 1160 will be same ~ 250.
No, or else I wouldn't have written "Those are like $200 premiums over past generations". That article only mentioned the pricing for 3 different cards (for 120w, 150w, and 180w tdp), however, if Pascal is any indication, they'll release the GTX 1180, then GTX 1170, and then GTX 1160. Unless the "GTX 1180+" is actually a thing (NOT a GTX 1180 Ti), then I guess the 120w, 150w, and 180w cards could be the GTX 1170, 1180, and 1180+ respectively, BUT the $100-$150 premium for the GTX 1180+ over a GTX 1180 wouldn't make any sense a) because it sounds like it's pretty much the equivalent of a factory overclocked card and b) even if they are talking about the GTX 1180 Ti, it's waaaayyyy to early to be talking about it since the '80 Ti cards come out way after the fact and are based on the Titans.
 

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Those prices actually make perfect sense.

Why? There is still a large surplus of the 10 series cards and unfortunately nvidia still needs to sell those.

Therefore it makes total sense that we could see prices of:
1070 -$350
1070 Ti -$400
1080 -$500
1080 Ti -$600
1170 - $650
1180 - $750

Once 10 series stock is cleared, the 1170 could drop to $400 and the 1180 will drop to $600.

That's just a guess.
And yes, the 11 series will completely sell out at that price.
Gamers desperately need AMD to be get a card that really compete in price/performance. See what they have done to Intel.
 
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Soo, launch expected "end of August" and nothing material in site? (don't get me started on wcceffingbs)

Gamers desperately need AMD to be get a card that really compete in price/performance.
Gamers need to be buying those cards, for AMD to have money to develop new cards that really compete.
 
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I've set aside $1200 (canadian) for a new card because I want to play in 4k at decent frame rates and maybe also do next gen VR. Will be interested in how much better it performs over the 1080ti. The 1080ti is still going for $1000 up here right now.
 
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Soo, launch expected "end of August" and nothing material in site? (don't get me started on wcceffingbs)


Gamers need to be buying those cards, for AMD to have money to develop new cards that really compete.
Why would people want to buy products that don't do what they want? The problem is that AMD's performance isn't there.
 
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The generation of GPUs after this one will probably be the first ones where high framerate 4k is really there. 2018 was an awkward year. Everyone is ready for/wants 120hz/4k, but the displays and the GPUs just aren't there yet. Maybe next year.
 
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Brand loality is much more nuanced than that, decisions made are very far from being rational.


Nah. 960 outsold 280/280x, Fermi outsold brilliant cards that wiped the floor with it.
Well, AMD also has the problem of their drivers still blowing, and people say it's not an issue anymore, but it is.

If you just want to slap a PC together and not have a lot of problems, it's basically Intel + Nvidia.
 
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I’ve been running AMD/ATI gpu’s since about 2002 and never had a driver problem. The current drivers actually seem like the best they’ve ever done.

Rumor is that AMD is releasing a revision by year end 2018...but just a die shrink?

I’m looking to go AMD or nVidia for my next upgrade, but nVidia always seem pricey in comparison.
 
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Something tells me that power consumption will stop being important again, soon:

The GeForce GTX 1080 set high standards for efficiency. Launched as a high-end product that was faster than any other client-segment graphics card at the time, the GTX 1080 made do with just a single 8-pin PCIe power connector, and had a TDP of just 180W. The reference-design PCB, accordingly, has a rather simple VRM setup. The alleged GTX 1080-successor, called either GTX 1180 or GTX 2080 depending on who you ask, could deviate from its ideology of extreme efficiency. There were telltale signs of this departure on the first bare PCB shots.

The PCB pictures revealed preparation for an unusually strong VRM design, given that this is an NVIDIA reference board. It draws power from a combination of 6-pin and 8-pin PCIe power connectors, and features a 10+2 phase setup, with up to 10 vGPU and 2 vMem phases. The size of the pads for the ASIC and no more than 8 memory chips confirmed that the board is meant for the GTX 1080-successor. Adding to the theory of this board being unusually hot is an article by Chinese publication Benchlife.info, which mentions that the reference design (Founders Edition) cooling solution does away with a single lateral blower, and features a strong aluminium fin-stack heatsink ventilated by two top-flow fans (like most custom-design cards). Given that NVIDIA avoided such a design for even big-chip cards such as the GTX 1080 Ti FE or the TITAN V, the GTX 1080-successor is proving to be an interesting card to look forward to. But then what if this is the fabled GTX 1180+ / GTX 2080+, slated for late-September?
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"an interesting card", cough. The wording in the article is amazing and now I can see why they needed the "innovative" NDA.
heise.de Nvidia NDA attacks journalistic work
 

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Soo, launch expected "end of August" and nothing material in site? (don't get me started on wcceffingbs)


Gamers need to be buying those cards, for AMD to have money to develop new cards that really compete.
It's not on the consumer to support a company that is delivering a less than stellar product. It's on the company to deliver a stellar product that consumers want to buy. AMD hasn't necessarily been bad, but Nvidia has been consistently better. The new Vega GPUs, while fast and can trade blows with the non-Ti 10-series draw significantly more power.

In the CPU field, Ryzen has been an outstanding success and is pushing Intel to compete after doing very little over the past 8 years. While in most cases, Intel provides better performance, the bang-for-buck is titled in AMDs favor.

Thanks to AMD, gamers will have the option to get an 8-core CPU that will work on existing Z370 motherboards, which is nice and unthinkable just two years ago.

I own a generic 1070 and the 1180 would (likely) be the only worthwhile upgrade for me. Of course, we have no idea if miners will dive right back in once the 11-series is in stock. If that happens then fuck everything.
 
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It's not on the consumer to support a company that is delivering a less than stellar product.
It's on the consumer to see through the BS, when one of the two main competitors has been caught strong arming parnters and even reviewers.
"Sync is a god like upgrade" - yeah, sure thing.

In the CPU field, Ryzen has been an outstanding success
Also because Intel's grip on reviewers is nowhere at nvidia's levels. The linguistic gymnastic cited in post #192, to somehow sweeten the fact that 11xx series will be, let me check AMD reviews to use the right terminology: a power hog.

the bang-for-buck is titled in AMDs favor.
Bang for buck is tilted in AMD's favor in GPU market for most time of the history, so, let's not make circles around "but drivers", "but i kinda sorta feel it doesn't kinda sorta smoothly work, unles intelvidia" etc.
Yeah, feelings.
Yeah, brand loyality.
Yeah, half empty and half full.
No, most consumers are not making rational decisions.
 
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It's on the consumer to see through the BS, when one of the two main competitors has been caught strong arming parnters and even reviewers.
"Sync is a god like upgrade" - yeah, sure thing.


Also because Intel's grip on reviewers is nowhere at nvidia's levels. The linguistic gymnastic cited in post #192, to somehow sweeten the fact that 11xx series will be, let me check AMD reviews to use the right terminology: a power hog.


Bang for buck is tilted in AMD's favor in GPU market for most time of the history, so, let's not make circles around "but drivers", "but i kinda sorta feel it doesn't kinda sorta smoothly work, unles intelvidia" etc.
Yeah, feelings.
Yeah, brand loyality.
Yeah, half empty and half full.
No, most consumers are not making rational decisions.
Nobody is rooting for AMD more than me. Nobody. If you want to buy AMD's products to support them, more to power to you. I salute you and appreciate you for that. Seriously, but right now the 1080 Ti is a clear cut faster card and in many cases the Geforce 1080s are being sold for less than $500 and right I have to see a Vega 64 being sold for less than $550. Not to mention the power draw on the Vega cards is drastically higher.

At this moment, given how cheap Freesync monitors have gotten, compared to G-sync, a Vega 64 is a consideration for me, but it's probably not going to happen as the performance over my 1070 isn't going to be drastic enough.

Truth be told, I may not even consider the 11-series unless they offer 4K performance that can blow me away. I told myself I won't upgrade until most games can run at 4K at 60fps at medium ot high settings. Considering that the current Ti struggles to do that.

AMD's best move right now, would be to drop the price of the Vega by $200 and then they reclaim the bang for buck mantle.

I am very much hoping that Navi will be AMD's new 9700 Pro, but that is unlikely.
 
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You start with 1080Ti having no competitor and end with 1070 being fast enough for you. Well...

I'm not even talking this gen, with pricing fucked by miners, but overall, AMD wasn't getting due revenue for better, at and most of times, much better perf/buck cards, people still bought green sticker, e.g. 960.
 
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You start with 1080Ti having no competitor and end with 1070 being fast enough for you. Well...
So?

I'm not even talking this gen, with pricing fucked by miners, but overall, AMD wasn't getting due revenue for better, at and most of times, much better perf/buck cards, people still bought green sticker, e.g. 960.
We can debate this, but "in most cases" is very subjective.
 
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I’ll probably stick with my 970 as I mostly just play indies and older games on my PC these days.

Xbox games too, but few of those have interested me this generation and things like Gears 4 run great in 1080p.

When new Xbox games are struggling at 1080p, or my TV dies and I go 4K I’ll decide between upgrading the PC or adding an Xbox back into my console collection. Gamepass is pretty appealing and could sway me toward the latter next gen.