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[Nydus]

Oh Boy. 2080 is 1% faster then my 1080ti. Nope I'm out! I was really hyped for the launch but this shit price/performance is enough to drive me away.

Maybe I'll update my 7700k to a 9900k... But that's almost no fps gain at 4k and Intel's 10nm WILL come. So that also makes no sense.

Hardware is a shit hobby at the moment

 

[Pey.]

My review of the RTX 2080 > http://www.pcmrace.com/2018/09/19/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition-review/

List of games benchmarked at 1080, 1440p and 4K:

Assassin's Creed Origins
F1 2018
Far Cry 5
Final Fantasy XV
Forza Motorsport 7
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War
HITMAN
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Strange Brigade
Total War Saga: THRONES OF BRITANNIA
Warhammer 40.000: Dawn of War 3

Final Fantasy XV Video Comparison TAA Vs DLSS:



The review also has 3 gameplay videos at 4k (AC: Origins, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and The Witcher 3).

 

[PhoenixTank]

Is there likely to come a time when the 1080 ti prices (brand new) bottom out, then begin to rise again due to a lack of stock? Just wondering when the optimal time to pick one up is likely to be. I watched a Gamers Nexus video a few weeks ago and Steve reckoned October would be a good time to strike.

May not rise in price at the end but could just go straight of stock. If that was the same Ask GN that I watched then he mentioned that there was still a decent amount in the supply channels. I'd listen to Steve - this month or next.

 

[Meh3D]

I prefer the Hardocp reviews since I feel they better reflect how people play with these cards in general. I prefer the play through testing verses benchmarks.

 

[BenBuja]

My review of the RTX 2080 > http://www.pcmrace.com/2018/09/19/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition-review/

List of games benchmarked at 1080, 1440p and 4K:

Assassin's Creed Origins
F1 2018
Far Cry 5
Final Fantasy XV
Forza Motorsport 7
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War
HITMAN
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Strange Brigade
Total War Saga: THRONES OF BRITANNIA
Warhammer 40.000: Dawn of War 3

Final Fantasy XV Video Comparison TAA Vs DLSS:

The review also has 3 gameplay videos at 4k (AC: Origins, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and The Witcher 3).

Good video comparison. Thanks for posting!
Did DLSS add any noticable input lag? Any artifacts or anything or is it the real deal?

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

May not rise in price at the end but could just go straight of stock. If that was the same Ask GN that I watched then he mentioned that there was still a decent amount in the supply channels. I'd listen to Steve - this month or next.

Funny, the model I have been looking at (EVGA 1080 ti SC2), which has been in stock at Scan for weeks, sold out today. The FTW model is now saying 'end of life', meaning no more stock expected. People aren't hanging about.

 

[Nethernova]

So is the GTX series dead and its all RTX now?

 

[bodine1231]

Is there likely to come a time when the 1080 ti prices (brand new) bottom out, then begin to rise again due to a lack of stock? Just wondering when the optimal time to pick one up is likely to be. I watched a Gamers Nexus video a few weeks ago and Steve reckoned October would be a good time to strike.

I bought a used 1080 ti today for $500 shipped. I wanted to wait on the scores and it seems like a used 1080 ti is BY FAR the best value right now. It'll last me until the next round of cards for sure.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I bought a used 1080 ti today for $500 shipped. I wanted to wait on the scores and it seems like a used 1080 ti is BY FAR the best value right now. It'll last me until the next round of cards for sure.

I've never bought a used GPU before and I'm a little wary of it. I'm certain it'd be fine 99 times out of 100, but still, it would be my luck to get one that explodes within 24 hours. I'd prefer to buy new.

 

[Soltype]

Can 1080 ti do dlss, if not I want to the fps of the Rtx 2080 ti with dlss off.

 

[twdnewh_k]

So to summarize:

- 2080 is barely faster than a 1080ti but more expensive (previously even the new xx70 cards outperformed the Ti)
- 2080ti is real jump but costs $1200
- Cant test new tech cause games not ready

We waited 2 years for this.

 

[Nydus]

So to summarize:

- 2080 is barely faster than a 1080ti but more expensive (previously even the new xx70 cards outperformed the Ti)
- 2080ti is real jump but costs $1200
- Cant test new tech cause games not ready

We waited 2 years for this.

Yeah I'm really disappointed. I would have bought the 2080 if it was 10 to 15% faster then the 1080ti but not even that lol. Sometimes it's even slower!

 

[DeepEnigma]

What a weird uneven RAM amount. Is there a specific reason it is not 12GB?

 

[Luffytubby]

This is disappointing. Perhaps the most disappointing development in PC gaming for at least ten years.

Never the less- AMD, this is your chance. Now is your chance to make Nvidia sweat a bit. You've been so far behind for so long that there was little actual competition in the enthusiast PC gaming market.


Competition is generally good, and while the lack of competition carries some of the blame for this we cannot forget that this is also driven by demand. Particularly due to the increased interest in PC gaming as well as the crypto mining demand. We can only hope that Nvidia is humbled a bit by their price points once the dust has settled.

 

[nemiroff]

What a weird uneven RAM amount. Is there a specific reason it is not 12GB?

https://hardforum.com/threads/2080-ti-11gb-vram.1967312/

It uses a 352-bit bus (32 * 11). It only physically has 11 GB spread out across 11 x 8Gb memory memory chips. The 1080 Ti uses the same configuration.

Why didn't they go for 384-bit?

Because each memory controller is 32 bits wide, and it's optimal for it to be a power of 2. 32 * 11 = 352.

Why didn't they go for 33-bit? (...j/k..)

 

[DeepEnigma]

https://hardforum.com/threads/2080-ti-11gb-vram.1967312/

It uses a 352-bit bus (32 * 11). It only physically has 11 GB spread out across 11 x 8Gb memory memory chips. The 1080 Ti uses the same configuration.

Why didn't they go for 384-bit?

Because each memory controller is 32 bits wide, and it's optimal for it to be a power of 2. 32 * 11 = 352.

Why didn't they go for 33-bit? (...j/k..)

I get that, I just do not get why 11GB is optimal, when RAM has always been paired on even integers. Thus it would be 384-bit with 12GB.

 

[Kadayi]

Well, it sounds like there no point buying the founder's Edition Cards versus waiting for the 3rd party cards because the stock cooling is BS in comparison. Either way though just looking at the prices on these cards in the UK and it's a great big

Paying £500 at the time for a 1070Ti was a bit of a step up even with selling my old 970, but £800 - 1200 for up to a 30% FPS increase....

 

[Tenaciousmo]

Damn, I was hoping for better 4k performances from the 2080, at that price I might just go for dual 1080s or wait for 7nm amd cards... whenever that's happening.

 

[nemiroff]

I get that, I just do not get why 11GB is optimal, when RAM has always been paired on even integers. Thus it would be 384-bit with 12GB.

Perhaps because they met their generational spec/performance target with 11GB? I don't know, but why take on the extra cost if it's only to satisfy those of us with OCD..

 

[Noboru Wataya]

Going from 1080 to 2080ti. Hurry up Nvidia and send it! The benches have me hyped as I play at 3440x1440

 

[DeepEnigma]

Perhaps because they met their generational spec/performance target with 11GB? I don't know, but why take on the extra cost if it's only to satisfy those of us with OCD..

In the end it's all benefit to them, cost/profit ratio.

And true about OCD, lol.

 

[Nikana]

I'm really confused how you launch a product without any content.

Like I get it... You can still bench it compared to older products.

But THE THING these are built for is smoke and no where to be seen. This is utter mind boggling.

Why should anybody buy a promise?

 

[lukilladog]

Wccftech review is very telling, still struggles to hold 60fps on the more demanding games at 4k. If I have to turn settings down right out of the box I wouldn´t even pay $500.

 

[v1oz]

So to summarize:

- 2080 is barely faster than a 1080ti but more expensive (previously even the new xx70 cards outperformed the Ti)
- 2080ti is real jump but costs $1200
- Cant test new tech cause games not ready

We waited 2 years for this.

Didn't the 1080ti only come out in 2017?

 

[v1oz]

What a weird uneven RAM amount. Is there a specific reason it is not 12GB?

It's all about margins. They save a tiny bit of money.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's all about margins. They save a tiny bit of money.

That is what my gut said.

 

[PhoenixTank]

Funny, the model I have been looking at (EVGA 1080 ti SC2), which has been in stock at Scan for weeks, sold out today. The FTW model is now saying 'end of life', meaning no more stock expected. People aren't hanging about.

Not sure what the SC2 was going for before, but one step down, the SC Black is a very decent card FWIW, just with a few less bells and whistles than the SC2. 1 year in here, so far so good.

Good hunting.

What a weird uneven RAM amount. Is there a specific reason it is not 12GB?

I get that, I just do not get why 11GB is optimal, when RAM has always been paired on even integers. Thus it would be 384-bit with 12GB.

It's all about margins. They save a tiny bit of money.

Not exactly "margins". I'm going to gloss over some details here:
This is down to memory controllers being turned off on the chips. They're paired with the actual "cores" in a certain ratio.
Like the 1080Ti (GP102), the 2080Ti has parts disabled due to manufacturing defects - so when those cores are bad the memory controller is disabled and vice versa. They could maybe slap on some extra VRAM but I don't think anyone wants that after the 970 3.5GB fiasco.
Titan Xp is a full GP102 chip and has 12GB. The inevitable* Titan RTX will have 12GB too, assuming you can scrounge up enough kidneys to buy it.
Releasing chips with defects as different SKUs absolutely saves them money though - common practice.

* I say inevitable but I don't know what the yields are like for this generation/node, and these chips are much bigger than usual. If Nvidia can bring it to market they absolutely will.

 

[SonGoku]

Assuming his monitor is 60HZ and he upgrades to a GPU that can handle 4K/60 or close to it (1080ti/2080), would it not be better to cap the FPS at 60? Or enable Vsync?

Wouldn't either of those options result in a better experience than capping the framerate at 30?

I'm in a similar position to the guy you quoted in that I already own a 4K TV and am saving up for a PC Build that I plan to use with it, but I really don't want to play at 30FPS.

I meant hold off on upgrading, wait for competition to drive prices down and 7nm cards
In case of gsync leave fps unlocked
If no gsync: Locked 30

Locked 30 is better than unlocked 40 to 60 fps if no gsync imo

Thanks for the replies, all. Monitor isn't gsync.

Cheap 1080 ti seems mighty tempting.

You might regret investing into an old arch with new cards just around the corner your current card is pretty serviceable, unless you plan on upgrading next year but still bad use of money

Next year 7nm cards, more competition, more power, better prices

 

[pawel86ck]

DLSS interactive comparison
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120751

Also I need to say these benchmark results looks really strange. Sometimes performance difference even without DLSS is almost doubled and I wonder what's happening here. For example wolfenstein 2.

On top of that there are even differences in the same game. For example depending on the benchmark location 1080ti vs 2080ti performance difference may look not that big, but in some more demanding locations that difference is much bigger. Forexample GTA 5, 87fps on 2080ti, and 55 fps on 1080ti.

 

[PhoenixTank]

DLSS interactive comparison
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120751

Also I need to say these benchmark results looks really strange. Sometimes performance difference even without DLSS is almost doubled and I wonder what's happening here. For example wolfenstein 2.

Can't speak to the others but the difference in Wolf 2 is at least partially down to "packed math". FP16 operations (which the game uses) are faster/more efficient on Turing (and Volta) than on Pascal. AMD's Vega benefits from this too.

 

[Shai-Tan]

I didn't realize the msi trio was monstrous

I may have trouble fitting that into my NZXT h440 case :/

 

[Kenpachii]

Kinda interesting to see 2x 2080ti's in sli. Wanna see the ultimate power.

 

[SirKicksalot]

NGX looks amazing, can't wait for Premiere to support it. Adobe's CUDA support was a lifesaver, this looks like a huge generational leap.

 

[bodine1231]

I've never bought a used GPU before and I'm a little wary of it. I'm certain it'd be fine 99 times out of 100, but still, it would be my luck to get one that explodes within 24 hours. I'd prefer to buy new.

Just buy from a manufacturer with a transferable warranty,thats what I did.

 

[DemonCleaner]

Well that's the whole point in releasing a new product to the market in the first place, if you want to sell it that is. Otherwise there will be no incentive for your previous client to upgrade, if he sees no improvement.

20 series is an actual downgrade in that regard. 980 to 1080 was +40% perf/$ upgrade! wheres 1080 to 2080 is actually a downgrade.. [~ +45% price increase, but only ~ +37% perf increase] That is an embarrassement of epic proportions to any self respecting tech company.

and when you account for the fact that new features [DLSS or Raytracing] are not even available at launch just makes it look like an even more of a failure. There's literally nothing to justify such horrible perf/$ right now.

well while your figures are right, you're logic on the above isn't in a monopoly, like we see it today in the high end gfx market. if you (as in nvidia) want to sell RTX you just need clear stocks of your last gen product with the same price/perf and after that people have pretty much to buy what you're offering if they want 1080ti and above performance. and no, the whole point of launching a new product is to improve your market share and/or improve your profits. new tech or better price to performance is just a tool to achieve that.

 

[DemonCleaner]

DLSS interactive comparison
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120751

Final Fantasy XV Video Comparison TAA Vs DLSS:

looks like DLSS does also free the image of DoF and motion blur

joke aside, this is gonna be huge!

 

[DemonCleaner]

i have to say, i kinda feel bad for Nvidia. after pulling all this crap the past decade, they once do something really innovative to further the industry and as soon as they do it, they get all the flak with this launch.

 

[nemiroff]

I'm really confused how you launch a product without any content.
Like I get it... You can still bench it compared to older products.
But THE THING these are built for is smoke and no where to be seen. This is utter mind boggling.
Why should anybody buy a promise?

When it comes to the Ti Trio I want it for the general raster performance NOW, and for the 4K VR performance NOW. it is after all THE fastest cards on the market.

DLSS and hybrid RT features is a near-future bonus, and it's also a very important "kickstarter" for raytracing in the long run. So I'm happy to bend over to contribute to an accelerated progress in that area.

Historically the Ti wasn't supposed to come out now, and that's why I looked at it as a "Titan" type card and sort-of didn't have _that_ much of a problem with the price (neither do I like it..). With that said, yeah, the 2080 should perhaps have slightly better value right out of the box now before the Tensor cores are activated to fire on all cylinders.

 

[dark10x]

I'm really confused how you launch a product without any content.

Like I get it... You can still bench it compared to older products.

But THE THING these are built for is smoke and no where to be seen. This is utter mind boggling.

Why should anybody buy a promise?

I don't disagree but the software situation is kind of out of their hands. RTX features can take advantage of Nvidia's own APIs, I believe, but most games in development rely on an upcoming addition to DX12 which has not been rolled out to the public yet. This will be included in an October Windows Update. They are basically relying on Microsoft here since this feature requires that update.

Naturally, developers have access to pre-release software necessary to test these features but until the DX12 update is rolled out to everyone. I'm surprised there aren't at least a few examples of Nvidia specific RT games available right now, though, but I can understand it.

The only solution to this, realistically, would be to delay the launch of the hardware until late October or November.

 

[Kenpachii]

i have to say, i kinda feel bad for Nvidia. after pulling all this crap the past decade, they once do something really innovative to further the industry and as soon as they do it, they get all the flak with this launch.

Nobody is bashing the tech.

Everybody is bashing the price that they want for that tech.

It's basically a new generation video card with double the price tagged on top of it.

Then there anti consumer practices they did a while back also leave a sore spot with a lot people.

Anybody that orders these cards only helps to support nvidia with there trash practices. it would be best if nobody bought these cards.

 

[llien]

20 series is an actual downgrade in that regard. 980 to 1080 was +40% perf/$ upgrade! wheres 1080 to 2080 is actually a downgrade.. [~ +45% price increase, but only ~ +37% perf increase] That is an embarrassement of epic proportions to any self respecting tech company.

I hate to be "that guy", but 1080 cost quite a bit more than 980 ($549), with founder's edition at $699. That's 27% higher price. But with perf going +40% it wasn't as "problematic", agreed.

 

[Whitecrow]

i have to say, i kinda feel bad for Nvidia. after pulling all this crap the past decade, they once do something really innovative to further the industry and as soon as they do it, they get all the flak with this launch.

People dont like changes.
Only the ones who rationalize them are able to choose properly.

If everything they can see is price and fps, they are clearly taking the wrong perspective on why those cards exist.

 

[twdnewh_k]

Didn't the 1080ti only come out in 2017?

18 months actually.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Not sure what the SC2 was going for before, but one step down, the SC Black is a very decent card FWIW, just with a few less bells and whistles than the SC2. 1 year in here, so far so good.

Good hunting.

This is what I eventually went with. And they're selling out quickly, too.

 

[Nikana]

When it comes to the Ti Trio I want it for the general raster performance NOW, and for the 4K VR performance NOW. it is after all THE fastest cards on the market.

DLSS and hybrid RT features is a near-future bonus, and it's also a very important "kickstarter" for raytracing in the long run. So I'm happy to bend over to contribute to an accelerated progress in that area.

Historically the Ti wasn't supposed to come out now, and that's why I looked at it as a "Titan" type card and sort-of didn't have _that_ much of a problem with the price (neither do I like it..). With that said, yeah, the 2080 should perhaps have slightly better value right out of the box now before the Tensor cores are activated to fire on all cylinders.

I get this but I feel like by the time b the software will be readyb in any capacity that isn't just miniscule support we should be approaching 2180 time

 

[LordOfChaos]

Golly, really did a victory lap on Vega.

The price may be shocking to some, but think of it this way, it does give AMD some breathing room to stay in the game. It's also just a big ass die.

 

[drotahorror]

Well, it sounds like there no point buying the founder's Edition Cards versus waiting for the 3rd party cards because the stock cooling is BS in comparison. Either way though just looking at the prices on these cards in the UK and it's a great big



Paying £500 at the time for a 1070Ti was a bit of a step up even with selling my old 970, but £800 - 1200 for up to a 30% FPS increase....

The FE's are way better than last time, I don't really see a big problem with them. They've finally moved away from blowers.



And 71c under load is not awful at all. Beats the shit out of my 1080 FE that I've seen go up to 90c.

I really wanted to upgrade but 30% increase at my resolution isn't worth it and neither is the temperature decrease.

 

[lukilladog]

People dont like changes.
Only the ones who rationalize them are able to choose properly.

If everything they can see is price and fps, they are clearly taking the wrong perspective on why those cards exist.

Given the record of nvidia enhancing effects, it´s more rational to not pay an extra dime for it.

 

[CrustyBritches]

DLSS held up really nice in comparison to native 4k with TAA. I'd be most interested in how well it holds when the player has control of the camera. It would be nice if there were some games that had DLSS support on PC and checkerboard on console. See how they compare.

 

[DemonCleaner]

spot on guys