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Nvidia Project SHIELD early benchmarks hit the web, shows Tegra 4 perfomance
- Thread starter 1st Course
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Wii U like off TV play for steam gaming
MikeE21286
Member
Isn't most of the main processing done by the client/pc that streams to the device?
1st Course
Member
Yes.
Well, for one, it's marginally faster than the fastest smartphone that exists right now. More importantly though, it has
a) real physical controls
b) a separate battery
c) PC streaming
Its GPU is three times as fast as the iPhone 5's.
Power consumption is probably tenfold though.
So I didn't need to run a long HDMI cable through my walls and mount that plasma in the bathroom?
Not when it's playing Android games.
d) Its design is horrendous
It's a dual device. Yes, it can stream games, but it also has a fully fledged Android store. Stuff like The Conduit HD runs natively through Android.
Meant to be played indoors. Which makes ergonomics > aesthetics a wise choice. Nothing worse than crappy handhelds that turn your hand numb after 10 minutes.
If Drinky Crow raves about how comfortable it is, I'll trust my instincts on this. Dude hates everything.
MikeE21286
Member
it designed and shaped to be like a 360 controller,people who tried it say the shape really good for long gaming session which is something smartphones/Vita and 3ds not really do well.
Does it run android? If so, what a waste of technology.
Oh boy, a ridiculous looking handheld thing that'll play all the hits like Angry Birds and Sonic Jump. Maybe the occasional garbage-tier IAP-riddled gameloft shooter will work with it, score!
Oh, it streams PC games? Okay, that could be cool if it would work without input lag, compression and general hiccups. (But it probably won't)
Oh boy, a ridiculous looking handheld thing that'll play all the hits like Angry Birds and Sonic Jump. Maybe the occasional garbage-tier IAP-riddled gameloft shooter will work with it, score!
Oh, it streams PC games? Okay, that could be cool if it would work without input lag, compression and general hiccups. (But it probably won't)
Watch some videos on youtube. It does seem to. Which is why so many people rave about it. And is the only reason any one is interested in it.
Please be excited. Nvidia passed on next gen for this.
Of course it doesn't work without compression or input lag. That's physically impossible. The question is really how much input lag there will be. It uses hardware encoding on the latest NV GPUs, so I'm positive that they could achieve levels that make it a very viable product.
ss_lemonade
Member
I believe the international/exynos s4 variant is a bit faster than the snapdragon one so that'll make an interesting comparison.
Wasn't there an app for tegra android devices that did the same?
Beermeister
Banned
It will be DoA.
LittleJohnny
Banned
1fps better than a Galaxy S4, not sure if this is good or bad...
We're talking WiiU levels of lag here. You need a 6 series Nvidia card. It has video encoding hardware built in and then the Shield has hardware to decode that. Doing this with other methods adds unacceptable lag for most people.
That's why I think controllers like the MOGA which hold my phone are a better solution. I don't want to drop hundreds more on a second device which is just as capable as my phone and will be out of date just as quickly. I assume most of the streaming is about the software considering the way OnLive works.
Precisely. I'm annoyed that i'm gonna have to fork out for innards that i have no use for. I don't care about mobile games - i want PC games in bed.
Waiting for lag and compression benchmarks...
zephervack
Member
I just need someone to hack the Wii U controller so I dont need this thing, PC streaming is the only thing that interests me.
720p to the Wii U Gamepads 480p though. I doubt a lot of PC games even work at that resolution.
ss_lemonade
Member
I was talking about that app that required you to have an nvidia card to use but yeah, I guess the Shield having specialized hardware should make a difference
zephervack
Member
Render game at 720p and downscale it on the fly, but yeah I'd rather do it on a 720p screen now that I think about it.
Same here. I think you'd run into too many UI problems.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't think it's really adding cost to it. They need to have some type of mobile chipset to run the OS. And Tegra 4 chips really won't be expensive for Nvidia. So they wouldn't have saved anything appreciable by going to a slower chip. It's in there, however, because this is Nivida. And they're going to have premium pricing on it. So by using Tegra 4, some fence sitters might rationalize to themselves why it's so expensive. And this might be the tipping point that says it's worth it for them.
TouchMyBox
Member
Looks solid, but I'm a bit disappointed that it performs so closely to the Adreno 320, I guess they still have some time to optimize though.
Is there still no word on the pricing?
alexandros
Banned
Sadly no.
I do hope they support downscaling on PC for SHIELD, I'd like to render at 1080p and look at it on Shield's 5" 720p display. IQ should be pretty good.
I've been keeping tabs on this on and off, and it doesn't seem affordable to me if the below comes true.
http://seekingalpha.com/currents/post/877781
Noooo thanks. I can likely pay for most of a ps4 at that price.
Rodney McKay
Member
Have they said HOW this device streams games from your computer? Is it Wifi or bluetooth or something?
The only thing I remember them saying was that there would be a minimum graphics card you need for it to work.
The only thing I remember them saying was that there would be a minimum graphics card you need for it to work.
TotalBiscuit said lag is pretty good (as isn't even noticeable) iirc.
Fragamemnon
Member
Would definitely pay $350 for one if what Drinky (my partner in crime, we basically like the same things) says about ergonomics pans out. You'll make up the extra cost in very short time in dirt cheap games bought from sites like GMG or Amazon and activated on Steam.
My only real outstanding question is whether or not the Shield control scheme will be easily recognized as a 360 controller for Steam games, or if there is going to be some kind of hassle on a per-game basis to set it up. The latter would be a real dealbreaker, much more so than the price.
My only real outstanding question is whether or not the Shield control scheme will be easily recognized as a 360 controller for Steam games, or if there is going to be some kind of hassle on a per-game basis to set it up. The latter would be a real dealbreaker, much more so than the price.
1st Course
Member
I don't think so, the international exynos S4 (GT-I9500) scored only 12.5 FPS in the same bench. Snapdragon is a beast.
I guess the only way it would not be recognized as a 360 controller is if there are any microsoft legal hurdles to that. But even if there are, I would expect such an issue to be quickly fixed by a third party.
Battery life isn't the only concern coming from huge power consumption.
Whenever I play some games on my Galaxy S3, it feels like I'm frying my fingers. Not good if you want prolonged gaming sessions.
And I guess it's not a bad product. But it's only catered towards the hardcore PC gamer with a technical interest and with a job to be able to pay this thing. Engineers, for example. It actually caters to the niche of the niche, and it will become outdated in two years. It's a cool concept, but I don't see any point in bringing this out to the market.