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Nvidia roadmap shows GeForce RTX 5000 cards set for 2025 launch

Nvidia has previously released a new generation of graphics cards every two years or so. With Ada Lovelace having arrived in October 2022, the successor was expected...

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We've seen a few rumors recently claiming that Nvidia's successor to the RTX 4000 series, expected to be called the RTX 5000, will arrive next year. But it seems that the next-gen cards aren't going to be with us until 2025, according to team green's latest roadmap.

Nvidia has previously released a new generation of graphics cards every two years or so. With Ada Lovelace having arrived in October 2022, the RTX 5000 successor was expected next year, but it seems Nvidia is increasing the cadence to 3 years.

 

[mansoor1980]

super next year

 

[Lucifers Beard]

That’s fine, happy to wait it out and see what competition is like. I don’t see the value in upgrading from 3080 to 40XX and I’m currently doing good at 1440p.

I did consider upgrading to AMD 7900XTX but even then it felt like a small upgrade for a large cost.

 

[OverHeat]

My wallet will be a little more ready hahahah

 

[ToTTenTranz]

It's not news that Nvidia has transitioned to a 24-month / 8 quarters period between GPU generations since the GTX10 series.
If the 40-series released between Q4 2022 and Q2 2023, the 50-series are expected to release between Q4 2024 and Q2 2025.

 

[Zathalus]

Could be due to the issues with 3nm.

 

[nightmare-slain]

I have a 4080 so i'm good. I'll buy a 5090 when Nvidia release it

 

[Bojji]

Yeah they don't give that much fuck about PC gamers right now.

 

[OverHeat]

My 4090 is going to have to do until then I guess.

 

[nightmare-slain]

Yeah they don't give that much fuck about PC gamers right now.

Good thing the cards aren't coming out now but 2 years from now

My 4090 is going to have to do until then I guess.

I wish SLI was still a thing and actually worked. Imagine sticking 2x 4090's in your PC with a total of 48GB VRAM

 

[sono]

successor to the 1000 is the 2000
2000 is the 3000
3000 is the 4000

"We've seen a few rumors recently claiming that Nvidia's successor to the RTX 4000 series, expected to be called the RTX 5000"

That part of the rumor seems sound

 

[winjer]

Since Moore's law is slowing down, this is to be expected. Not only the time for new process nodes has increased, but prices for newer process nodes has increased drastically.

 

[E-Cat]

Yeah they don't give that much fuck about PC gamers right now.

Correct. AI is eating the world. And even with that renewed focus, big AI companies are still GPU-starved. That is why companies, e.g., Tesla, are making their own ASICS now. In a little over a year, Tesla expects to have 100 exaflops of compute from Dojo + legacy NVIDIA GPUs.

 

[nemiroff]

Oh man, my money be like dusty AF.

 

[nightmare-slain]

Since Moore's law is slowing down, this is to be expected. Not only the time for new process nodes has increased, but prices for newer process nodes has increased drastically.

Seriously wtf are we going to do in a few years. These cards are on 5nm. I know there are some 3nm products coming out this year/next. What do we do when we're at 1nm? Can we go any smaller or will we hit a brick wall? Quantum computers don't seem to be anywhere near mass production for consumer electronics.

I think we'll just stick acceleration chips on. We already have AI cores on GPUs so they will improve. DLSS has been impressive and came a longway. It'll be interesting to see what else we can do with AI. Maybe we'll get Quantum cores or some shit.

 

[Tsaki]

That's over the usual 2 years between generations. Seems they want to have it on 3nm and will be waiting for the yields to be become sustainable on it.

 

[winjer]

Seriously wtf are we going to do in a few years. These cards are on 5nm. I know there are some 3nm products coming out this year/next. What do we do when we're at 1nm? Can we go any smaller or will we hit a brick wall? Quantum computers don't seem to be anywhere near mass production for consumer electronics.

I think we'll just stick acceleration chips on. We already have AI cores on GPUs so they will improve. DLSS has been impressive and came a longway. It'll be interesting to see what else we can do with AI. Maybe we'll get Quantum cores or some shit.

These numbers don't have any relation to transistor sizes in any form. They are more of a marketing number.
The CEO of ASML said a few months ago, that there is the possibility that the cost of newer process nodes will become unfeasible, sooner than what the technological limits of lithography.
So the cost of new process nodes will soon become too expensive for consumer chips. Companies can justify more expensive chips, up to some point, but they will also have limits.
When Moore talked about his prediction for transistors, he was talking about both size and cost per transistor being reduced by half, every 18 months.
It also doesn't help that TSMC has no competition, so they are overcharging their customers by around 30%. Maybe more. And their costumers, then pass that cost to the consumer, meaning, us.

 

[Bojji]

Good thing the cards aren't coming out now but 2 years from now

But that's more time than usual 2 years they released so far, that's something new from Nvidia. They will refresh ada cards next year...

 

[Hudo]

5000 is also the pricing.

 

[nkarafo]

Maybe these cards will have enough RAM... for last year's games.

 

[Loxus]

These numbers don't have any relation to transistor sizes in any form. They are more of a marketing number.
The CEO of ASML said a few months ago, that there is the possibility that the cost of newer process nodes will become unfeasible, sooner than what the technological limits of lithography.
So the cost of new process nodes will soon become too expensive for consumer chips. Companies can justify more expensive chips, up to some point, but they will also have limits.
When Moore talked about his prediction for transistors, he was talking about both size and cost per transistor being reduced by half, every 18 months.
It also doesn't help that TSMC has no competition, so they are overcharging their customers by around 30%. Maybe more. And their costumers, then pass that cost to the consumer, meaning, us.

 

[GHG]

My 4090 is going to have to do until then I guess.

I think we'll be alright man. Just.

It's a struggle.

 

[DGrayson]

3080 looking good until 2025 at 1440p. Fine to wait helps my wallet.

 

[Celcius]

I’ll most likely be keeping my 3090 until 2025 then I guess

 

[STARSBarry]

3080 looking good until 2025 at 1440p. Fine to wait helps my wallet.

Exact same situation, although il see if I can stretch it to 2026 if they release some new 4000 series cards in 2024 with slightly better specs again like they did with the 3000.

Got an early 3080 for the RRP but then they released the 3080 12GB which would have been nice to get instead.

 

[ReBurn]

successor to the 1000 is the 2000
2000 is the 3000
3000 is the 4000

"We've seen a few rumors recently claiming that Nvidia's successor to the RTX 4000 series, expected to be called the RTX 5000"

That part of the rumor seems sound

I heard the successor to the 5000 will be the 6000, but it's too early to know if it's true.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Hope we see better value cards with the 5000 series.

 

[marjo]

Hopefully before then Intel will have a solid competitor. AMD and NVidia can both fuck off.

 

[E-Cat]

Hope we see better value cards with the 5000 series.

Better "value" can be deceptive, they can still be more expensive due to the chip manufacturing costs skyrocketing.

 

[captainpat]

4k native path traced games at 60fps here we go!

Hope they can keep the size the same cause I'd rather not have to change my case

 

[TheRedRiders]

I think we'll be alright man. Just.

It's a struggle.

Genuinely curious, has the 4090 been struggle to run titles at a reasonable frame rate and resolution?

I plan on building my first PC this year with a 4090, go hard or go home is my approach.

 

[Hudo]

3080 looking good until 2025 at 1440p. Fine to wait helps my wallet.

3080 gang represent!

 

[Ulysses 31]

No 4090TI then?

 

[nemiroff]

Genuinely curious, has the 4090 been struggle to run titles at a reasonable frame rate and resolution?

No.

 

[MikeM]

Can’t wait for a 6GB 5060 that barely beats a 4060.

 

[Leonidas]

Good to know I'll have plenty of time to enjoy my current 40-series card

 

[analog_future]

Perfect. By then we should know whether pro consoles are going to be a thing or not, and if not I'll probably build a gaming PC at that point.

 

[hlm666]

Too busy using all the wafers and fab allocation they bought and couldn't sell to gamers for h100s instead. They need to change their moto from the way its ment to be played to failing upwards is an artform.

 

[tr1p1ex]

are you saying every few years new cards come out?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Start lining up kidney and liver lobe donations now.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Wonder if AMD will follow suit.

 

[winjer]

Wonder if AMD will follow suit.

This change is probably caused by TSMC's cadence with newer process nodes.
So everyone will probably follow suit, including AMD and Intel.

 

[STARSBarry]

Can’t wait for a 6GB 5060 that barely beats a 4060.

Now that's not true, it's going to absolutely destroy in price. 4060 is $299 the 5060 will beat it at $399

 

[HTK]

That's the next time I upgrade.

 

[AndrewRyan]

Really looking forward to this generation. I'm expecting the 5000 series to be the holy grail for 4k/120 TVs.

 

[kiphalfton]

Generations are getting longer, prices are getting higher, and increase between generations is getting smaller.

Guess those people who bought the RTX 4090 shouldn't feel too bad about their purchase decision. As everything else had been a disappointment this gen.

However, I have no doubt Nvidia will fill fuck over anybody who bought a RTX 4060 > RTX 4080, and release cards that have more VRAM; they're gonna try and get people to double dip on this generation.

 

[General Lee]

This is part of why I decide to splurge on a 4090. The writing's on the wall for GPU manufacturing process tech to slow down significantly, at least when it comes to price/performance. 4090 should remain a top of the line card for a long time. If Nvidia doubles down on AI on their future chips, standard gaming performance might take a further backseat.

 

[twilo99]

3080 looking good until 2025 at 1440p. Fine to wait helps my wallet.

I feel the same way about the 6800xt

 

[SantaC]

Good to know I'll have plenty of time to enjoy my current 40-series card

4080 with only 16GB Vram. Nvidia is a joke.

 

[Catphish]

3080 gang represent!