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Zips said:
I think it has to be American agencies that bring Trump down though. Foreign agencies would be easier to dismiss if not corroborated by American ones.
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Pretty much this. And the rest of the American agencies will all soon be compromised like the FBI.
So this is pretty much kaput because Comey sat on the evidence until his hand was forced.
 
BowieZ said:
Just did a bit of digging.

The accused is named Stanislav Lisov.

A Stanislav Lisov works/used to work at Gazprom, the public owned firm that has ties to Carter Page (the controversial oil industry consultant who became Trump's foreign policy advisor).

Can anyone help me do some digging to see if it's the same guy? It might not be, but it's interesting nonetheless.

EDIT: However there's also this Stanislav Lisov from Taganrog, the same hometown mentioned in the news reporting.
EDIT 2: Actually, examining their photographs (LinkedIn versus Twitter) leads me to believe they actually are the same person (a photograph from ~5 years ago with dreadlocks, compared with one from the last 1-2 years and possibly dyed auburn hair -- same eyebrows, eye-bags, hooked nose).



EDIT 3: He may also have run this reggae website in the past (the dreadlock hair is a clue) -- http://sunny-music.ru (translated).

EDIT 4: Well here's a modern photo according to this report, which looks like a slightly older version of the dreadlock guy but not so much the other one. So there may not be a Gazprom connection after all.



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EDIT 5: Holy shit! This dude tinyurl'd these links on twitter (Google translated):


"And who do you say rules the world? http://bit.ly/dPNKh5" https://translate.google.com.au/tra...xakep.ru/2010/12/09/54241/&edit-text=&act=url

"Yes what is. .. I am scared to live: http://bit.ly/fzfjK6 (via http @gorban)" https://translate.google.com.au/tra...ru/news/opensource/5654588&edit-text=&act=url

"And I thought only Russia comes up with all sorts of "Passport to purchase domain", United States domains immediately closes the http :// xakep.ru/post/54074/ " https://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://xakep.ru/2010/11/29/54074/

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EDIT 6: WOAH dude worked with one Brian Noon at a Florida-based company called Ignite Technologies:

http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/Co...isov&listNameOrder=LISOVAINNAMS P160000216880

This is most likely the same Brian Noon (both apparently based in Melbourne Beach, FL).

Coincidentally? All results related to Ignite, Lisov, and Noon over at CorporationWiki had their data refreshed on January 8, 2017. (I'm honestly not sure yet whether that is just a coincidence.)


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EDIT 7: Hmm, Brian Noon filed a company dissolution form with the FL Dept. State 18 months ago (July 29, 2015) citing "MOVING BUSINESS TO ANOTHER STATE":

http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/Co...0730\75564970.tif&documentNumber=L14000008315

I wonder which state?!
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Very interesting. Seems there is a Gasprom tie here so I imagine this is election repeated hacking arrest.

Hmm detective gaf keep working. Send this stuff to the news when you dig this shit up.
 
ZOONAMI said:
Hmm detective gaf keep working. Send this stuff to the news when you dig this shit up.
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Nah I don't think it's necessarily tied to Gazprom. (Yet...)

This Brian Noon character is intriguing me. As I said, he follows Oggetto Web on twitter (the supposed Russian workplace of his (former?) co-worker, the alleged hacker Stanislav Lisov), and for a seemingly "innocent" marketing/web design company or whatever, it's coincidentally being followed by a bunch of hackers.

I really need to go to bed, but I don't suppose anyone can take up the reins and explore these rabbit hole links:

https://twitter.com/oggetto/followers

Oggetto (workplace of Stanislav Lisov)
followed by both Brian Noon and...
several apparent Russian hackers or coders (based on their Twitters), including
Rashid Lepshokov (Oslo, Norway), who was first tweeted by...
Sergey Kopylov ( @serega011 17 Oct 2011 -- http://habr.ru/p/130532/ Review of start-up activities Russia. Where to go to be seen? #habr ), linking the website:
Habr.ru, which has some strange nefarious connections with hacking, web start-ups, and seeking investments, including from:
wanted.vc (or darkside.vc?) - a St Vincent & Grenadines company run by:
Arkady Moreynis -- (his website), who seems to be some sort of strange cult-like figure offering business advice, and procuring investment from Russians to Western start-ups.

Also, curiously, one of Brian Noon's last tweets, from years ago, mentions Josh Waldron, a jaded former VA teacher who is also into hacking and has liked various Anonymous tweets and lots more...
... and I'm pretty sure Josh Waldron is Justin Waldron's brother, who founded Zynga, has millions to his name, and is of course also masterful at coding and decoding.

This could all be meaningless, but nonetheless it's all true, and also I was bored.
 
Don't expect anything to come of this for a long time if it's going to happen. This investigation really didn't kick into high gear until the last couple weeks. Investigations can and often do take months to years. With that said, we should keep pressuring Congress to not ignore the committee and the investigation, even if we don't expect results any time soon.
 
ratcliffja said:
Don't expect anything to come of this for a long time if it's going to happen. This investigation really didn't kick into high gear until the last couple weeks. Investigations can and often do take months to years. With that said, we should keep pressuring Congress to not ignore the committee and the investigation, even if we don't expect results any time soon.
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ohh.
 
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/latest-news/article127632934.html

“I am told that German intelligence and French intelligence and British intelligence, respectively, a year ago got indications of communication between Trump and Russian intelligence,” Carle said.

He cautioned that such claims may sound intemperate but that he is not coming from the fringe.

“I am not a fire-breathing looney,” said Carle, a former deputy national intelligence officer for transnational threats. “I come from a family of progressive Republicans. I worked for the f—king CIA for 23 years.”
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https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/822550564223516675
 
cdyhybrid said:
I'm not giving up on them at all. I'm saying there's no need to compromise the Democratic party's commitment to basic human decency to get them. Did you miss the part where I said Hillary should have done more in the Midwest?

Winning the Presidency gets you the Supreme Court. I mean, I don't have to explain this to you - you know. Any dreams of winning Congress are just that - dreams - until we fix gerrymandering.
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Oh please. There were already signs that the GOP Senate was going to continue blocking SCOTUS nominees if Hillary had won.

And if democrats can win as big as they did in 2006 and 2008, that would be enough to take back the house and senate.

royalan said:
We need to stop pretending that this election was a carbon copy of 2008 and 2012 and that Hillary lost winnable voters just because they voted for Obama.

For starters, Obama wasn't against opponents who so directly campaigned on white pride and fear of the other as Donald Trump. Not even I'm sure he would have won against that, especially with how utterly toothless he is these days.
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I'm not saying that Trump is Romney. I'm saying that these voters have voted for democrats before and a significant chunk of Trump voters even still approve of Obama.

She also wasn't following a president who got us into a 15+ year war and crashed our economy.

People are so certain those "Obama voters" just needed a reason to vote Democrat. Based on what we've seen, I posit that they just needed a reason to vote Republican. And they got one.
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If they are so quick to vote republican, then why didn't they vote for Romney? MOST Trump voters are not worth our time, but we NEED to win over the following voters in AT LEAST downticket races:

- Bernie or Bust voters who didn't vote for Hillary
- Third Party Voters
- Any Trump voters that voted for Obama and/or still approve of him
- Any Trump voters that did so because they are so desperate for their old job that they would do something stupid
- Moderate Conservatives that disapprove of Trump, but hated Hillary more.
 
Probably answered but with Trump appointing a new CIA head what happens? I know people are still working on it but will it get pushed to the side?
 
smokeymicpot said:
Probably answered but with Trump appointing a new CIA head what happens? I know people are still working on it but will it get pushed to the side?
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Not sure on the inner working of these agencies but I can see it creating deep rifts with the lifers and those newly apointed. Its not like a new head can wipe the slate clean.
 
smokeymicpot said:
Probably answered but with Trump appointing a new CIA head what happens? I know people are still working on it but will it get pushed to the side?
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Not sure. If it were so easy to push serious cases aside I doubt Obama would have allowed the emails shit to keep going for so long.

And it's not like people in the Intel Community are easily expendable.

Plus there's the fact that the legislative branch is also investigating this, which Trump has absolutely no control over.
 
smokeymicpot said:
Probably answered but with Trump appointing a new CIA head what happens? I know people are still working on it but will it get pushed to the side?
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Dawg. They're professional spies. Thousands and thousands of them in the employ of the CIA. Just because some asshole at the top says, "don't investigate this" doesn't mean shit.

Head of the CIA is just a bureaucrat who gets yelled at on Capitol Hill from time to time.
 
BlueTsunami said:
Not sure on the inner working of these agencies but I can see it creating deep rifts with the lifers and those newly apointed. Its not like a new head can wipe the slate clean.
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True, plus it makes if they do try to get it wiped wouldn't they leak it anyway? That is my assumption anyway.

TestOfTide said:
Not sure. If it were so easy to push serious cases aside I doubt Obama would have allowed the emails shit to keep going for so long.

And it's not like people in the Intel Community are easily expendable.

Plus there's the fact that the legislative branch is also investigating this, which Trump has absolutely no control over.
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The Legislative Branch part worries me for the fact chances are most of them rather have Trump in it for a bit so they get full control for a pit. Then again Paul Ryan seems like a evil fuck who will pull the trigger now so he gets 4 year run.

Hasphat'sAnts said:
Dawg. They're professional spies. Thousands and thousands of them in the employ of the CIA. Just because some asshole at the top says, "don't investigate this" doesn't mean shit.

Head of the CIA is just a bureaucrat who gets yelled at on Capitol Hill from time to time.
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I assumed that as well. Little things worry me even though there is a small shot this is nothing. I get we know nothing but I just hope.

Just would love the CIA to give him a fuck you.
 
LATE fall was a frantic period for New York Times reporters covering the country’s secretive national security apparatus. Working sources at the F.B.I., the C.I.A., Capitol Hill and various intelligence agencies, the team chased several bizarre but provocative leads that, if true, could upend the presidential race. The most serious question raised by the material was this: Did a covert connection exist between Donald Trump and Russian officials trying to influence an American election?

One vein of reporting centered on a possible channel of communication between a Trump organization computer server and a Russian bank with ties to Vladimir Putin. Another source was offering The Times salacious material describing an odd cross-continental dance between Trump and Moscow. The most damning claim was that Trump was aware of Russia’s efforts to hack Democratic computers, an allegation with implications of treason. Reporters Eric Lichtblau and Steven Lee Myers led the effort, aided by others.

Conversations over what to publish were prolonged and lively, involving Washington and New York, and often including the executive editor, Dean Baquet. If the allegations were true, it was a huge story. If false, they could damage The Times’s reputation. With doubts about the material and with the F.B.I. discouraging publication, editors decided to hold their fire.
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I have spoken privately with several journalists involved in the reporting last fall, and I believe a strong case can be made that The Times was too timid in its decisions not to publish the material it had.

I appreciate the majority view that there wasn’t enough proof of a link between Trump and the Kremlin to write a hard-hitting story. But The Times knew several critical facts: the F.B.I. had a sophisticated investigation underway on Trump’s organization, possibly including FISA warrants. (Some news outlets now report that the F.B.I. did indeed have such warrants, an indication of probable cause.) Investigators had identified a mysterious communication channel, partly through a lead from anti-Trump operatives

At one point, the F.B.I. was so serious about its investigation into the server that it asked The Times to delay publication. Meanwhile, reporters had met with a former British intelligence officer who was building the dossier. While his findings were difficult to confirm, Times reporting bore out that he was respected in his craft. And of his material that was checkable, no significant red flags emerged. What’s more, said one journalist frustrated with the process, a covert link seemed like a plausible explanation for the strange bromance between Trump and Putin.

There were disagreements about whether to hold back. There was even an actual draft of a story. But it never saw daylight. The deciding vote was Baquet’s, who was adamant, then and now, that they made the right call.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/public-editor/trump-russia-fbi-liz-spayd-public-editor.html

Thanks FBI and New York Times.
 
TestOfTide said:
Oh please. There were already signs that the GOP Senate was going to continue blocking SCOTUS nominees if Hillary had won.

And if democrats can win as big as they did in 2006 and 2008, that would be enough to take back the house and senate.
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That's fine. Deadlock is better than Republican appointees.
 
smokeymicpot said:
Probably answered but with Trump appointing a new CIA head what happens? I know people are still working on it but will it get pushed to the side?
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They delayed his confirmation vote until Monday. Part of me thinks Dems were trying to buy time over the weekend to investigate this further before a new head takes over.
 
Honestly, I dont think it would have mattered.
You cant rely on the public voting against him in an election with the way the electoral college is constructed.
The only thing that works is a legal case with proof and evidence.
 
NimbusD said:
It's crazy to me that all this was happening and Comey at some point was just like 'but yeah... Those emails...'

It makes the conspiracy part of me think that he was compromised somehow?

Fuck idk. This shit is bad fiction.
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The Democrats at the closed briefing were absolutely incensed at Comey. And the Republicans held their tongues. Which is their borderline treasonous way of agreeing that something rotten went down.
 
Stinkles said:
The Democrats at the closed briefing were absolutely incensed at Comey. And the Republicans held their tongues. Which is their borderline treasonous way of agreeing that something rotten went down.
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Pretty obvious that Comey was at least in cahoots with Trump to some degree.
 
Fancyarcher said:
Pretty obvious that Comey was at least in cahoots with Trump to some degree.
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I have no doubt at all he supports Trump and held information and revealed information solely to aid Trump but I genuinely don't think there was direct collusion - not with Trump at least - more like with the GOP or Koch style backroom folks.

That said if he had really juicy Trump oppo before Trump got the nomination that would be weird.
 
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Stinkles said:
I have no doubt at all he supports Trump and held information and revealed information solely to aid Trump but I genuinely don't think there was direct collusion - not with Trump at least - more like with the GOP or Koch style backroom folks.

That said if he had really juicy Trump oppo before Trump got the nomination that would be weird.
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The fact that he refused to speak about Trump after he was scolded by democrats, tells me exactly who's side he was on. I don't doubt for a second that Comey at least some connections with Trump. The question is, what is it, and what was he hiding.
 
Let's just get President Paul Ryan in already.


Ugh that was horrible to say, but he's not the dumpster fire that the Trump Administration is!
 
Stinkles said:
The Democrats at the closed briefing were absolutely incensed at Comey. And the Republicans held their tongues. Which is their borderline treasonous way of agreeing that something rotten went down.
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Any source on this? I would love to see someone like Rahm Emanuel give Comey talking to. The word treason and motherfucker probably got thrown around every other word.
 
TestOfTide said:
My guess would be Roger Stone. Dude is so blatantly guilty of being connected with Russia/Wikileaks and he was REAL quick to backpedal after bragging about his connections.
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If anyone flips it's gonna be Flynn. I don't think he has any real love for Russia or Trump. He's a zealot who only sees them as tools in the fight against what he views as the real threat, Islamic extremism. As soon as he realizes neither Trump or Russia care about anything except their own ambitions, he'll have a "I made a huge mistake" moment.
 
Vixdean said:
If anyone flips it's gonna be Flynn. I don't think he has any real love for Russia or Trump. He's a zealot who only sees them as tools in the fight against what he views as the real threat, Islamic extremism. As soon as he realizes neither Trump or Russia care about anything except their own ambitions, he'll have a "I made a huge mistake" moment.
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Except I haven't seen any evidence of Flynn showing he is afraid of being caught.

Stone bragged about it, then got scared and started denying things he previously said as soon as the media reported his bragging.
 
Vixdean said:
If anyone flips it's gonna be Flynn. I don't think he has any real love for Russia or Trump. He's a zealot who only sees them as tools in the fight against what he views as the real threat, Islamic extremism. As soon as he realizes neither Trump or Russia care about anything except their own ambitions, he'll have a "I made a huge mistake" moment.
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I don't see why he would do this.

I do think he is going to be thrown under the bus before the end of the first term, probably this year too if not in the next few months. He's an unnecessary liability to Trump, and as the top brass in the military slowly start to align with Trump he'll want to give them a bone, and one request they'll have is to get rid of Flynn. As far as we know both the CIA and Pentagon really don't like Flynn at all, and Trump doesn't need Flynn. The faster Trump manages to consolidate his support in the military, the faster Flynn will be thrown out.
 
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