superdeluxe
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Is Trump handing the reigns to the Mattis wing? Or likely Trump/Putin are playing a game of 'be tough on us, so everyone sees that the United States is not a puppet for Russia.
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NYT:White House Accuses Russia of Cover-up in Syria Chemical Attack
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Is Trump handing the reigns to the Mattis wing? Or likely Trump/Putin are playing a game of 'be tough on us, so everyone sees that the United States is not a puppet for Russia.
This is rich.
Why is everyone so hung up on the piss tape? It's not treasonous to have hookers piss on a bed. We already know Trump is a petty asshole.
PandaPandaPanda
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if the tape exists(it probably does) it's most likely in Putin's possession and he has no reason to release it considering the amount of chaos the orange turd is causing
Beer Monkey
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It won't work. The FBI isn't going to stop or slow down regardless of how distracted the public gets. They'll release their findings and indictments when it's time. And it'll be a megaton, I suspect. Followed by tweets and rallies screaming that it's all fake.
Bruce Springsteen
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But these remarks by the White House do go against the narrative that he's not tough on Russia and is in Putin's pocket
what am I saying that's wrong?
BoogieWoogie
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Yeah I mean this is the thing, all these distraction tactics mean dick when it comes to the IC.
superdeluxe
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I think Congress passed legislation to give them oversight over Russian sanctions, there was strong bipartisian support. Russia covering up Syria's CW attacks is not going to make that go away.
Nothing, people are just jumping to conclusions. They do go against the narrative and make him look good and innocent in the eyes of the public, which is all that matters to him.
Extra Sauce
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It's more than a narrative if it's true.
And it makes sense that Trump and Putin would play such theatrics if it is true.
I really don't think the puppet aspect was taken very seriously by people following the case clsoely.
I for one believe Trump coordinated with the Russians to some degree in all their meddling in our elections and that there is a significant trail of undisclosed money leading back to members of the Trump camp and Trump himself. The former is impeachable and the latter may be as well. Russia's payment is a lighter, more forgiving tone in regards to their fuckery worldwide which Trump has been doing from the get.
superdeluxe
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They, unlike most of the public, has attention spans longer than a gnat and do not need instant gratification
We'll see if he can now criticize daddy Putin in public.
I have never seen another US president engage in whataboutism about their own country in order to defend Russia. I can't believe there wasn't a bigger outcry.
super-heated plasma
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Spicer STILL making excuses for not releasing Trumps 2016 tax return. "Financial disclosure form so much better," and no Americans care about his tax returns still. lol.
The White House "being tough" on Russia will not lead to the release of pee pee tape if such thing exists. For Putin, the US being a foe instead of a friend is much more beneficial internally. He can continue to push the "us vs. them" narrative and pretend that his people need him to keep the western imperialists in check.
Keep an eye on the sanctions. It's the only prize that really matters.
Keep an eye on the sanctions. It's the only prize that really matters.
Lactose_Intolerant
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and false narratives
I could conceivably see this being a thing - Trump and Putin use Syria to get the US and Russia to escalate tensions with each other, then eventually decide that the best way to fix things would be to be 'diplomatic' and go to the negotiating table, where Russia would receive reduced sanctions in exchange for keeping the peace.
And yeah, I was wearing my tin foil hat when I wrote that.
He apparently just said, "Even someone as dispicable as Hitler didn't use chemical weapons."
https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/851856938719735808
So... yeah.
This was already out. Unless they do something, it's words just like the campaign when he was TOTALLY NOT GONNA BE SOFT ON RUSSIA U GUYS
Sho_Nuff82
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The US is initiating false flag gassing operations on rebel civilians to then ineffectually bomb Syrian government and Russian military targets with warnings to minimize damage and loss of life? Am I getting that right? What kind of nth-level fuckery are they suggesting?
Perhaps it's best to keep the conspiracy theories and connecting the dots to a minimum. It is entirely possible that the Russia/Trump investigation, which suggests a quid pro quo relationship over Crimea and the general election, has little bearing over the Trump/Russia situation in Syria, which involves ISIS, Turkey, Jordan, half the EU, and the reputation of the Unites States as the leader of the free world.
Saint Gregory
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He didn't? What were in those gas chambers then? Or is he talking only about the battlefield?
The investigations, especially in federal law enforcement aren't going to be distracted this easily but I'm still convinced that congressional Republicans are never going to take steps to remove Trump regardless of what is discovered. You can already see the goalposts moving to "did the Russians change the votes? No? We're all good then".
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I think I hear Bannon unzipping somewhere.
Beer Monkey
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Watergate took YEARS and Congress' support of Nixon eroded over a period of years. Thanks for the concern trolling.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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haha these revealing gaffes are way better than Biden going off script.
Team Filler
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Russia is not interested in being our ally.
So here is Spicer trying to correct his comment about how Hitler didn't use CW's: https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/851864299014418434
I'm just lost for words.
I'm just lost for words.
I'm a bit confused now. If you're a Trump supporter and you see all these reporters from places like the failing New York Times and lying CNN talking about the President attacking Syria, and you know these outlets are fake news, then do they believe that this is even happening?
I mean, until a trustworthy reporter from a real news outlet like Breitbart or Infowars does a report from Syria themselves telling the truth with their vast operating budgets and huge armadas of investigative journalists, isn't everything you read in the papers or see on the TV from these fake news outlets... fake? They don't believe any of this is happening, right? Unless Breitbart reports it, even a televised statement Trump makes on CNN could just be a CGI fabrication.
I mean, until a trustworthy reporter from a real news outlet like Breitbart or Infowars does a report from Syria themselves telling the truth with their vast operating budgets and huge armadas of investigative journalists, isn't everything you read in the papers or see on the TV from these fake news outlets... fake? They don't believe any of this is happening, right? Unless Breitbart reports it, even a televised statement Trump makes on CNN could just be a CGI fabrication.
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Sho_Nuff82
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A Russian friend of mine levied a "fake news" accusation at the AP story yesterday, with the tinfoil reasoning that Trump may be trying to raise a BS charge against Putin to deflect from the Russia investigation.
I can't deal with this shit. The simplest explanation often works out. Putin is a monster, who might be above gassing citizens, but who's not above intentionally bombing enemy hospitals in a foreign conflict. Trump, or people in his administration, may have colluded with Russia for ill-gotten financial gains or preferential immunity from hacker leaks during the election, in exchange for loosening the Obama-initiated Crimea sanctions. Trump, as president of the United States, might have the wherewithal to realize he'll look like a complete buffoon if he doesn't respond to televised war crimes in an area that he's sworn to be different from his predecessor. All of these things can be true without trying to tie them into knots.
Sho_Nuff82
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We're not going to war with Russia or Syria.
EatinOlives
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It's evidence planted by the WH, and this isn't a shift in policy. This is as dumb as Eric Trump saying the bombing was "proof" there was no Russian connection.
Maybe ask Tillerson where his Medal of Friendship or whatever the fuck is. There's still mountains upon mountains of connections among business deals, partnerships, connections between people themselves that make the case extremely strongly.
Trump's first response to the Sryian chemical bombing:
Russia's first response:
I'll believe it when I see it.
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