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NYTimes: "Halo 3 is Halo 2 with somewhat better graphics."

EvaPlusMinus said:
For it's scope, art direction, and goal that Bungie was trying to create, they made the graphics as good as they could.
nah

I don't know, it just felt kinda lazy to me.
 
Just putting the graphics aside, the game feels like "more of them same" and in some way that´s good. I would´ve loved to see new features that change the basics of the game though, like sprinting, leaning around corners etc...
Sure it would´ve changed a lot, but if the implementation is right it can make things even more enjoyable. Halo fanboys would´ve cried in anger that it´s not their Halo anymore I guess, why take risks when you can make money with the same thing...again.
The game still rocks though, for what it is.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
And this coming from an oversensitive nancy who couldn't even handle a simple "human models don't look very good" without breaking into a hyperventilating nerd jig.

Ah, too much of a pussy to do this in the thread where it started. Feeling tough in this one? You're a troll AA, a big one. You entered a fun little screenshot party in an attempt to derail a thread and you got called on it by plenty of people. If you want to discuss this, do it in a PM, or have the balls to do it in the thread where it started, rather than coming at me in this thread.

So what's it going to be girlie? You seem willing to dish it out, but take a gander at every Haze thread you published and your constant keening whine about keeping out Halo comparisons, or your steady dribble of spew about how unfair it is to call Haze generic.

In short, wah, wah, wah.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
There's nothing fundamentally different in this situation versus the previous situations, and that's precisely the problem. The values have changed for no other reason than because it now happens to apply to Halo 3, and that's silly.
Well, why is that silly? You don't think games are established as standards because of whatever quality do you? It's The Big Game Of 2007, of course it's going to become the new standard. Stuff would be compared to Halo 3 if it looked like Wolfenstein 3D. Most would be favorable comparisons, but it'd still be the standard. Gears wasn't the best looking 360 game even when it was released, more than a couple games did many things better. But it still became the standard because it was The Big Game of 2006. Just how Crysis won't become the new standard, no matter how goddamn good it looks.

Jenga said:
nah

I don't know, it just felt kinda lazy to me.
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EvaPlusMinus said:
So you are willing to get rid of all the features that will make Halo 3 the most played game online just to spiff up the graphics?

Some of you people are fucking crazy.

The graphics are JUST FINE for a game with as large a scope as Halo 3's. Look at the screenshot thread.

Fucking crazy, I tell you.

I'm not an online gamer like you guys are, so yeah - I wouldn't mind it being that way.

I favor a much richer SP over MP anyday. The characters in single player games don't act like assholes and talk shit out of their mouths like a prepubescent punk.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
Gears wasn't the best looking 360 game even when it was released
Really? It's still the best looking game on the platform (imo?) and it will remain so until UT3 releases next spring. Yeye, I'm aware of scale and all that but still, it really is a big step ahead of Halo 3.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
There's nothing fundamentally different in this situation versus the previous situations, and that's precisely the problem. The values have changed for no other reason than because it now happens to apply to Halo 3, and that's silly. The same arguments were made last year, but then they were scoffed off as "well it doesn't look exactly like Gears so it's inferior".
Or because it's Killzone 2.
2 sides are playing this 'game'.
 
besada said:
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You called me out for supposedly being a horrible troll based on one quite innocent remark following a few not so negative remarks, and that makes you an oversensitive nancy. And hey, that's fine. But then don't sit here and talk about being in a position where you're amused by negative talk about Halo 3, when you can take even the smallest critique and flip right out over it.

But hey, it's a good thing you don't take this seriously and that it's just working towards your amusement.
 
besada said:
Ah, too much of a pussy to do this in the thread where it started. Feeling tough in this one? You're a troll AA, a big one. You entered a fun little screenshot party in an attempt to derail a thread and you got called on it by plenty of people. If you want to discuss this, do it in a PM, or have the balls to do it in the thread where it started, rather than coming at me in this thread.

So what's it going to be girlie? You seem willing to dish it out, but take a gander at every Haze thread you published and your constant keening whine about keeping out Halo comparisons, or your steady dribble of spew about how unfair it is to call Haze generic.

In short, wah, wah, wah.

Was every post beforehand in this thread like this? Because that was just awesome. :lol :lol
 
Wollan said:
Really? It's still the best looking game on the platform (imo?) and it will remain so until UT3 releases next spring. Yeye, I'm aware of scale and all that but still, it really is a big step ahead of Halo 3.

BD looks better than Gears.

*runs away*
 
EvaPlusMinus said:
Again, have you beaten the game?
Watched a friend beat it, and played with him last night on co-op. Games fun, but it honestly does feel lacking in the graphics department.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I don't recall anything similar to the Gravity Hammer, Flamethrower, incendiary grenade or Chopper in Halo 2, to name a few. And you disregard Equipment entirely, along with support weapons - two entire classes of weaponry that are not in the previous games both of which change the gameplay to a large degree. Within the missions themselves, new options abound. The Scarab fight was scripted in Halo 2, now it's AI controlled and there's tons of different ways to go about it. There was nothing approaching the vehicle brawl at the end of Tsavo highway - nothing on that scale in previous games. Fighting a Brute Chieftain or Brute Pack is a very new experience to the series.

You can carry opinion only so far before you start ignoring reality. The new content (weapons, vehicles, equipment, enemies) and level/encounter structure do change things substantially. You still jump, shoot, melee and drive vehicles, and in that sense you can argue that it's the same as Halo 2. But even a cursory glance below the surface reveals scores of new gameplay options.
All of that new stuff doesn't really bring anything new to gameplay in a shooter. It's new to Halo, but stuff like the Flamethrower, sheild grenade, and incendiary grenade have all been done by a game that I will not mention. The gravity hammer is a sword that can take out vehicles. All the new vehicles with the exeption of the elephant bring nothing truly new to the table. The chopper is like a ghost and wraith mix, the ATV is a faster warthog, ect.

I can respect your liking of Halo and have no problem with that. But so far I have been underwhelmed by the game. I'll go play it more now so I can form a better opinion.
 
EvaPlusMinus said:
So you are willing to get rid of all the features that will make Halo 3 the most played game online just to spiff up the graphics?

Some of you people are fucking crazy.

The graphics are JUST FINE for a game with as large a scope as Halo 3's. Look at the screenshot thread.

Fucking crazy, I tell you.
Youre quite crazy if you dont mind (calling other people crazy because their thinking different than your). / pong.

Seriously, stop this scop crap. I am done with the SP, and it was never "that" huge. A lot of background isnt modelled for real, and the IQ stay quite bad.
I though the game was good looking sometimes, really , especially in the mission 6/7 (when c°°°°° spaceship crash) , but its more due to art than tech. ANd do say go to screenshot thread, unless you have a cheatcode to activate AA.
 
Dr_Cogent said:
I'm not an online gamer like you guys are, so yeah - I wouldn't mind it being that way.

I favor a much richer SP over MP anyday. The characters in single player games don't act like assholes and talk shit out of their mouths like a prepubescent punk.


Well, then I can sort of understand your situation, but I'm sure you realize that Halo is where it is now due to online gaming, and Bungie giving the online community all these features is going to add many years under Halo 3's belt.


But still, the graphics in Halo 3 are not nearly as bad as some are making it out to be.
 
I never cared for the NYTimes, and I care even less now.


Well, you know, Aliens is like Alien, but with more Aliens.
 
The better question is, why would it upset anyone even if that was the case? Fans want more of what they like, and obviously Halo 1 and 2 are games they like. By most accounts, Halo 3 seems like a logical step forward, not revolutionizing anything but providing a good finish to the series. I don't see how that's necessarily a negative.
 
I think the NYTimes thinks that 'somewhat' means 'fucking so much better that I can not believe it'. That is the only explanation. Halo 3 is beautiful.
 
f@luS said:
Youre quite crazy if you dont mind (calling other people crazy because their thinking different than your). / pong.

Seriously, stop this scop crap. I am done with the SP, and it was never "that" huge. A lot of background isnt modelled for real, and the IQ stay quite bad.
I though the game was good looking sometimes, really , especially in the mission 6/7 (when c°°°°° spaceship crash) , but its more due to art than tech. ANd do say go to screenshot thread, unless you have a cheatcode to activate AA.


I'm honestly not even sure what the hell I just read here.
 
EvaPlusMinus said:
I'm honestly not even sure what the hell I just read here.
Stop this "scope is insane so graphic are "fine" considering it" crap i said.
And dont say "go screenshot thread to see how good it looks" unless you give a cheatcode allowing to add AA ingame. Because the IQ is really bad sometimes (especially indoor, with a lot of box and other stuff....aliasing mess)

here
 
siamesedreamer said:
Are you simple? I said "PLAYS" exactly as intended...as in the mechanics (like you mentioned).

Enjoyment is quite obviously subjective.

I love it, the game isn't flawed because you want to narrow the meaning of the word down. YOU of all people ought not to be calling anyone simple. :lol

besada said:
No one cares if you don't like it. That's the reality. You're the one getting spun by this shit, not the Halo fans. We're playing a fun game while people like you twitch out because you think it's getting too much attention.

Frankly, even though H3 is more than I ever expected, it keeps on giving by sending twits into tizzies for my amusement.

"I very much enjoyed Halo 1 and 2" equates to me not liking it? Why not qualify your statement by producing your elementary school diploma, thereby leading us to have some faith in your understanding of basic English?

Really, I'm getting spun? This thread obviously has nothing to do with a bunch of fanboys getting riled up at the sight of a less-than-perfect game review. Why don't you show me where I'm trolling all the Halo 3 threads pissing all over it?. Thanks , btw, for proving my point to me by retorting to a simple commentary with half-assed name calling.

Are you done drugging yourself into delusional oblivion yet? :lol
 
f@luS said:
Stop this "scope is insane so graphic are "fine" considering it" crap i said.
And dont say "go screenshot thread to see how good it looks" unless you give a cheatcode allowing to add AA ingame. Because the IQ is really bad sometimes (especially indoor, with a lot of box and other stuff....aliasing mess)

here

Thanks

And aside from a little bit of AA, my Halo 3 looks exactly like the images in that thread. Get a new TV, perhaps?
 
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I thought being like a halo 2 was a good thing. wasn't that what halo fans wanted?

had the developers made any drastic changes, halo fans would have rioted. halo fans wanted halo 2 in high res and new maps. they got it. a reviewer put it in words.

again, what's the controversy?
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
You called me out for supposedly being a horrible troll based on one quite innocent remark

One quite innocent remark that explicitly violated the rules set forth in the OP. You know, the same thing you wail about in your Haze threads?

The reality is that you're all over GAF doing your level best to shit on Halo without getting banned, but you're transparent. You're whining in every thread about how unfair the rating standards are because you got your sad, pathetic little heart broken that Resistance hasn't been hailed as the great triumph you thought it was.

Troll all you want, and I'll make fun of you for it. You continue to provide me with almost as much joy as that time I saw you completely flame out in the NPD thread. I eagerly await your next meltdown.
 
EvaPlusMinus said:
Thanks

And aside from a little bit of AA, my Halo 3 looks exactly like the images in that thread. Get a new TV, perhaps?

Did i say that aside from a little bit of AA , it doesnt look like that? but ingame , you see your gun, not ur model , or only a little bit when you grab a big gun/turret. And yet , the lack of AA really hurt the visual, especially in bright area. It is beautiful sometimes, but it can also be really bad looking (mission 2 is errrrrrrrr......) it shows that the engine isnt good but art can compensate .
 
Davidion said:
Really, I'm getting spun?

You're the one who felt the need to take a deep calming breath (in writing, no less) over the fact that other people think Halo 3 is a stronger game than you do, so yeah, spun.
 
f@luS said:
Did i say that aside from a little bit of AA , it doesnt look like that? but ingame , you see your gun, not ur model , or only a little bit when you grab a big gun/turret. And yet , the lack of AA really hurt the visual, especially in bright area. It is beautiful sometimes, but it can also be really bad looking (mission 2 is errrrrrrrr......) it shows that the engine isnt good but art can compensate .

So be honest, levels 1 and 2 just plain sucked.

Three and up was a thrill ride, though.
 
EvaPlusMinus said:
So be honest, levels 1 and 2 just plain sucked.

Three and up was a thrill ride, though.
gameplay standpoint? ill agree, loved it. Im just dissapointed about the tech in the game (even framerate sometimes drop a bit) but i loved it though ;)
 
besada said:
You're the one who felt the need to take a deep calming breath (in writing, no less) over the fact that other people think Halo 3 is a stronger game than you do, so yeah, spun.

Are you sure he did that?
 
besada said:
You continue to provide me with almost as much joy as that time I saw you completely flame out in the NPD thread. I eagerly await your next meltdown.

No I don't and no you don't, kid. I clearly upset you, deeply. Even ridiculously small remarks upset your sensitive heart, as is evident by your reaction in that thread (to which I avoided responding further because your overreaction served as quite enough of a derailment), and in this thread. This joy and amusement you keep yapping about, that's just a load of crap.
 
Wollan said:
Playing the game is a better representation.
They are saying it plays like Halo 2. I'd say being exposed at least somewhat to the game would give them a better representation.

As far as Gears, GRAW (And I'd assume GRAW 2), Viva, and even fucking PDZ managed to do some things better; but I'm not the best person to argue this point as I've stated on many occasions that I fucking detest pretty much every artistic design decision Gears made and as such harp on it's negatives probably too much.

The better question is, why would it upset anyone even if that was the case? Fans want more of what they like, and obviously Halo 1 and 2 are games they like. By most accounts, Halo 3 seems like a logical step forward, not revolutionizing anything but providing a good finish to the series. I don't see how that's necessarily a negative.
There was a lot of backlash from Halo 2, from both it's campaign and drastically altered multiplayer. I know I wouldn't be the only one incredibly upset if Halo 3 kept most the gaffes that made the multiplayer just... terrible in Halo 2.

AltogetherAndrews said:
No I don't and no you don't, kid. I clearly upset you, deeply. Even ridiculously small remarks upset your sensitive heart, as is evident by your reaction in that thread (to which I avoided responding further because your overreaction served as quite enough of a derailment), and in this thread. This joy and amusement you keep yapping about, that's just a load of crap.
So Halo 3 vs Resistance, gogogo. Edit: The fuck? You stealth editor... or something...
 
Son of Godzilla said:
There was a lot of backlash from Halo 2, from both it's campaign and drastically altered multiplayer. I know I wouldn't be the only one incredibly upset if Halo 3 kept most the gaffes that made the multiplayer just... terrible in Halo 2.

Well, I'd prefer Halo 3 to be more like Halo 1 than Halo 2, but you know, I'm not the majority. And from what I can tell, there is enough of a compromise and also added features to keep me and the Halo 2 fans happy.

Tieno said:
Or because it's Killzone 2.
2 sides are playing this 'game'.

Oh for sure. I'm indeed just bitter about last year's GOW vs Resistance debacle. Not saying that Resistance didn't have its visual shortcomings because it sure did, but judging by today's values, it'd seem as if those flaws would have been glossed over in light of its strengths (and excused by account of its scope and battlefield density) quite a bit more than they were then. On a purely technical level, I like the fact that people have managed to get past the "Gears or nothing" attitude, it's just a shame it took so long.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
No I don't and no you don't, kid.

You can tell he's mad when he calls you kid. It's like a tell, really. Keep going baby, keep ramping it up. You can do it! The Wahmbulance is on the way!



Oh for sure. I'm just in retrospect in part annoyed about last year's GOW vs Resistance debacle, if that hasn't been obvious all along.

Yeah, we all know. You bring it up all the time and it's hilarious, kid.
 
besada said:
You're the one who felt the need to take a deep calming breath (in writing, no less) over the fact that other people think Halo 3 is a stronger game than you do, so yeah, spun.

That "deep breath" wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that it was a piss take on the length of the sentence, would it?

Between the deep, analytical interpretation of that *deep breath* and your self-righteous delusions of grandeur, you have got to be the most dense representative of all the internet simpletons I've ever seen. :lol
 
:lol

this reminds me of that thread we had when n'gai said there never should have been 3d metroid. so this is what it's like to be on the other side of the argument, and not have a strong emotional reaction to controversial remarks
 
besada said:
Yeah, we all know. You bring it up all the time and it's hilarious, kid.

Again, you don't find this hilarious at all, so stop pretending you do.

Son of Godzilla said:
So Halo 3 vs Resistance, gogogo. Edit: The fuck? You stealth editor... or something...

Now that should be an interesting grudge match. Neither camp can fall back on "but the scope, the amount of stuff that happens on screen", so it will be down to the knitty gritty.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Not saying that Resistance didn't have its visual shortcomings because it sure did, but judging by today's values, it'd seem as if those flaws would have been glossed over in light of its strengths (and excused by account of its scope and battlefield density) quite a bit more than they were then.


Yeah, that's kind of a shame. To me, Resistance and Halo 3 are impressive for very similar reasons (sheer amount of crap going on).
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Again, you don't find this hilarious at all, so stop pretending you do.

And yet I'm laughing aloud. I know you think you've worked your deep CIA voodoo profiling on me, AA, but the mere fact that you call me kid suggests you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.
 
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